Budokai 3 Confirmation

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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:54 pm

Alias wrote:I'll just be happy if they give the characters the ability to jump, instead of having to inch back and forth across the screen like idiots. That was the one thing that killed the game for me when I bought it.
You are aware that they can run, aren't you?
Deus ex Machina wrote:No worries for us Canadians; when the GT dub aired here it began from episode 1. But for some reason the episode quality is really bad, like a fan sub with the color extremly distorted.
Because Blue Water/OG haven't cleaned up the video like FUNi have. And if you think GT is bad, just compare their dub of DB to FUNi's. They look like cartoons made decades apart.
Xyex wrote:That's one of the kind of edits to DBZ too, points of low action are cut. Not sure why they go to all that trouble, just to edit the action anyway. :?
What? Who edits out the moments of low action in DBZ? FUNi haven't done that since the early Freeza saga, and even then it was more objectionable material than "boring" material. Surely Cartoon Network isn't editting out the boring stuff? The episodes are extremely short as it is.
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Post by Jerseymilk » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:56 pm

I would give the "Most Boring Award" to that episode with Buruma and the crab and they kept that in.
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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:09 pm

Dear god, no! Not the crab episode! It causes pain that hurts!
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Post by Jerseymilk » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:14 pm

Sorry Liam! I apologize for bringing that up! I apologize to DBZ fans everywhere. 8)
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Post by Xyex » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:23 pm

PsyLiam wrote:What? Who edits out the moments of low action in DBZ? FUNi haven't done that since the early Freeza saga, and even then it was more objectionable material than "boring" material. Surely Cartoon Network isn't editting out the boring stuff? The episodes are extremely short as it is.
I'm talking more about the begging of the series. i.e. showing why the hell Gohan's in the first, the tranquil scenes before Raditz comes crashing down to Earth, and the stare down between Goku and Raditz before they do any talking. Not sure what may have been cut later on, didn't really pay much attention to the that (haven't seen to many of the Jap episodes, or the 'uncut' ones here).
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Post by Alias » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:41 pm

Crab episode... Crab episode... I think that's one of the few bits I've ever truly hated. There's others that had bits and pieces I disliked, but few were that bad... Wait, nope. The Ginyu Tokusentai at Kaiou's thing was worse. Much worse given the placement of it in the story. The crab thing can be skipped, but the Ginyu Tokusentai is right in the middle of the climax. *shudders*
PsyLiam wrote:You are aware that they can run, aren't you?
Yes, I am. But running right into whatever punch/kick/blast your opponent is doing really kills what would be the simple logic of just jumping over it.

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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:11 pm

Alias wrote:Yes, I am. But running right into whatever punch/kick/blast your opponent is doing really kills what would be the simple logic of just jumping over it.
The makers of the game did answer that one, by pointing out the number of times people jump over attacks in the series. Ie, extremely rarely. Generally, DBZ characters block each others attacks, or do that disappear/reappear thing. They do the first in the game, but I'm not sure how you would implement the second one.

Do they have ki beam tugs-o-war in Budokai 2? If not, they should add that in. It could be done in a similar manner to the "burst mode" (which actually was a fairly clever idea, and did make a lot of sense in the context of the show).
Xyex wrote:I'm talking more about the begging of the series. i.e. showing why the hell Gohan's in the first, the tranquil scenes before Raditz comes crashing down to Earth, and the stare down between Goku and Raditz before they do any talking. Not sure what may have been cut later on, didn't really pay much attention to the that (haven't seen to many of the Jap episodes, or the 'uncut' ones here).
Christ, you're talking about stuff that they haven't done since 1997.

They editted the first few episodes down partly to get rid of boring stuff, and partly because they only had an order for a certain number of episodes from Saban, and they wanted to end on a good point. Even since Goku started fighting Recombe, the show has been visually uncut, apart from things that have to be taken out due to "content" (which is another argument, but still...) Since then, each English episode has corresponded to a single Japanese episode. Nothing has been cut because it's been "boring".
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Post by Alias » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:39 pm

PsyLiam wrote:The makers of the game did answer that one, by pointing out the number of times people jump over attacks in the series. Ie, extremely rarely. Generally, DBZ characters block each others attacks, or do that disappear/reappear thing. They do the first in the game, but I'm not sure how you would implement the second one.

Do they have ki beam tugs-o-war in Budokai 2? If not, they should add that in. It could be done in a similar manner to the "burst mode" (which actually was a fairly clever idea, and did make a lot of sense in the context of the show).
They may not usually jump over them, but they do dodge them often. Since the battlefield isn't 'free-roaming' (i.e. - Super Mario 64), they should at least have the ability to do more than just run to and back from the opponent. Having to block every single blast is impractical, since the characters from the show only tend to (purposely) do that when they're stronger than their opponent. It also forces you to take almost every single blast your opponent throws at you, even if it's too strong to be blocked.

As for ki beam tugs-o-war... I don't know if they have that in B2, I didn't play it long enough to find out. But they probably do since almost all the other recent DBZ fighting games do.

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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:53 pm

I must have had a major brain cramp, because I've only just remembered this...
Alias wrote:They may not usually jump over them, but they do dodge them often. Since the battlefield isn't 'free-roaming' (i.e. - Super Mario 64), they should at least have the ability to do more than just run to and back from the opponent.
You can also side step left and right, dodging any energy blasts thrown at you, leaving them open for a retaliatory strike. If you're right next to them, you can also get completely behind them.

So, yeah, you don't have to block every energy attack. Silly boy.
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Post by Alias » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:01 pm

I'm a girl. ^_^

I haven't played Budokai 1 in a very long time, so I've either forgotten that or never found it out. I still prefer jumping, though.

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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:14 pm

I'm constantly surprised that there are so many girls on a DBZ forum. I've been to Trek forums, and they always have a smaller percentage of females than here. I just never pictured a show full of people standing around staring at each other appealing to the fairer sex. Tsk, shows what I know, eh?

You dodged on the Gamecube by pressing block and tapping up or down. I think you had to do it on one of the training episodes as Goku travelled to Namek. I assume the controls would have been identical on the PS2.
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Post by Jerseymilk » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:35 pm

PsyLiam wrote:I'm constantly surprised that there are so many girls on a DBZ forum. I've been to Trek forums, and they always have a smaller percentage of females than here. I just never pictured a show full of people standing around staring at each other appealing to the fairer sex. Tsk, shows what I know, eh?
Actually I've met a good number of females who don't like DBZ Liam. The most common reason being that they can't understand why when they check back 4 episodes later that they're still on the same fight. While I think this is an absolutley stupid justification for looking down on DBZ, when they can sit through 4 episodes of Fushigi Yugi with nothing but Tamahome and Miaka spouting inscessant "love nonsense" to each other and think the series is a lot better, it's their choice. So you aren't totally wrong Liam. Not forgetting that probably a good portion of females that watch DBZ, do so because they have a crush on Trunks or Vegita, or whoever, and are really only interested in watching the show to see that person. I can tell you right now that there certainly weren't many females into DBZ before Mirai Trunks came into the picture. I think he's brought more girls in to the DBZ fan world than anybody else. But then again, I myself love watching the many, many fights, since I practise martial arts and enjoy watching the techniques used, and most people are very suprised when they find out that DB is my favourite anime. So it just goes to show I guess.
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Post by Alias » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:09 pm

I've never been into any shoujo animes. I've just never been able to watch (with a straight face) something where the boyfriend would look better in the same dress than his girlfriend would. I've always preferred epic adventures and character quirkiness over pure romance and magical girls. I suppose I'm the exception, though... Most female fans seem more enamoured with Vegeta's rear end than the depth of his personality. *sigh*

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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:13 pm

I know that girls tend to go for people who are bad for them, but the shear number of them that fancy a man who has murdered millions convinces me more than ever that they should not be allowed to vote.
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Post by Alias » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:21 pm

Shame on you! Don't you realize that their love can change him? Don't you realize that he's really just a poor, love-starved soul whose mommy didn't give him enough hugs when he was little? He just needs some warm cookies, some cold milk, and a long, heartfelt talk to erase thirty years of emotional turmoil. The love of a good woman can cure any psychological disorder!

You really need to be more understanding, you know that?

EDIT: Oh, and it's not millions. I'd probably estimate it to be around... Lessee... *does some quick math* About an average of ten million people per planet, with an average of ten planets cleared per year, over a period of about 25 years...

Adds up to 2.5 billion.

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Post by Jerseymilk » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:40 pm

Alias wrote:Shame on you! Don't you realize that their love can change him? Don't you realize that he's really just a poor, love-starved soul whose mommy didn't give him enough hugs when he was little? He just needs some warm cookies, some cold milk, and a long, heartfelt talk to erase thirty years of emotional turmoil. The love of a good woman can cure any psychological disorder!

You really need to be more understanding, you know that?
XD You hit the nail right on the head with that Alias! Couldn't have put it better myself! I also tend to usually prefer Shonen anime and manga. I do read some shoujo though, but it's never the "makes you sick to your stomach it's so sweet, Romance" type. And it always amazes me how many women always like the jerk, but then when they've had their fun and want to settle down in a stable marriage, they start finally paying attention to the nice guys. Really hypocritical I think. I still laugh to this day remembering being at the movies when a trailer for X-Men 2 came on and they showed that scene where Wolverine spins around with his claws to attack and it turns out to be a cat. These two girls below me said, "He's so cute!" Imagine calling the real Wolverine that! :lol: Heh, I highly doubt that they know the real Wolverine is 5'3, is very hairy, and talks like an uneducated backwoodsman. If they did, I can garuantee they wouldn't give him a second look.
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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:48 pm

That's very weird, isn't it? Jackman is actually quite far away from the real Wolverine physically, yet he still looked great. The hair-style was a nice mix of "close to the comic" and "not looking stupid in the real world".

His voice wasn't that far away from the FOX cartoons Wolverine, which I always thought is how he "really" sounds (more so than Scott McNeil, bless his socks).

And you're averaging 10 million a planet, Alias? Granted, one planet isn't really enough to make a statistical obvservation, but 10 million still seems a bit small.
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Post by Jerseymilk » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:57 pm

Ya, I definitely have to give the designers kudos for making Wolverine's hair believable.
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Post by Alias » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:59 pm

Dayspring,
Thank you. ^_^

Psyliam,
The 10mill estimate factors in the planets that don't have high populations, as well as any few that did. None of the planets in the DBZverse have had huge populations, not even the Earth itself. So if there were a few, those would average out with the ones that had only a thousand or so. I also don't think that Vegeta spent all of his time clearing planets. He was "Freeza's pet," so I think he spent a good deal of his time playing toadie. All of Freeza's men hated Vegeta and were thrilled when he gave them the go-ahead to kill the Saiya-jin Prince. If he wasn't around often, then I don't think they would have had the same degree of hatred towards him.

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Post by PsyLiam » Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:39 pm

Possibly. I suppose it depends on how much time off Vegeta had. And 2.5 billion murders is probably enough to count as "serial".
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