My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Grimlock » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:49 pm

Tai Lung wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:49 pmthat depends on your rewriting ... kale is necessary for kefla and for universe 6 to be relevant in the original story
But since we are talking about rewriting, one could remove Kale from existence. If Caulifla has to fuse, let her fuse with Cabba instead. Alternatively, rewrite Kale to be a better character. Shouldn't be a difficult task.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Tai Lung » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:16 am

Grimlock wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:49 pm
Tai Lung wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:49 pmthat depends on your rewriting ... kale is necessary for kefla and for universe 6 to be relevant in the original story
But since we are talking about rewriting, one could remove Kale from existence. If Caulifla has to fuse, let her fuse with Cabba instead. Alternatively, rewrite Kale to be a better character. Shouldn't be a difficult task.
that would not be enough to have "god level" would be another "gotenks" and the secret weapon function in the tournament of power would not be coherent in any case since the power levels rose too much.
the existence of kale and its power makes for a better "balance" since hit is not the only powerful one besides caulifla has someone to relate to. Another option is to eliminate the tournament of power so the existence of kale or caulifla is no longer necessary ...
now if you want to keep the 3 or only cabba a sadala arc could be the best option but without a tournament of power since that would mean that their advancement as warriors must be much greater

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Grimlock » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:30 am

Tai Lung wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:16 amAnother option is to eliminate the tournament of power
I can only relate to this. One of the best ideas I've seen lately! :thumbup: No tournament at all would be amazing in every conceivable way. Put the characters in better contexts, such as the "Sadala saga" as you yourself mentioned.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Kiyoharu » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:06 am

I agree with the idea of deleting the Tournament of Power.

It is one of the worst arcs in Dragon Ball.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Matches Malone » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:32 am

Kiyoharu wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:06 am I agree with the idea of deleting the Tournament of Power.

It is one of the worst arcs in Dragon Ball.
Unfortunately there's 0 to work with in regards to that tournament. It's literally just generic nobodies fighting endlessly with nothing else going on.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by DestructoDisc » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:43 am

I feel as if this fandom cares way too much about power levels and transformations. Sorry but when I clicked on this topic I expected something different.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Tai Lung » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:20 pm

although I like the tournament of power (anime) a sadala arc would be much better

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Magnificent Ponta » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pm

When I think of things I would've liked changed in Dragon Ball Super's story, I guess the principal thing that stands out for me as a missed opportunity is the resolution of the Tournament Of Power arc - most specifically, the wish Android 17 makes.

It seems a strange decision, from a narrative standpoint, just to press the reset button like that and basically say 'no harm done!', and stranger still that the Zeno twins allow it to stand, given their determination to simply off all of the underperforming Universes at the outset of the arc - the anime tries to pass it off as a sort of test that they were hoping the winner would make, like some sort of cosmic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, but while the attempt is valiant, it isn't convincing - to me, at least.

What I'd've liked to see is the Zeno twins refusing to accept the wish to just restore the other Universes as is, as there really are too many and they are underperforming, and therefore for 17 to wish instead that the other Universes are restored within Universe 7. It would've opened up a much broader sandbox for the heroes to play in, with wider potential for future stories (like some sort of Sadala arc, as I've seen on many wish-lists for the future of DBS).

It also would've resolved some other details, like boosting Universe 7's mortal level and in some way undoing the damage caused by Buu and Freeza in times past (and Moro, if he'd been conceived of yet), restoring a full roster of Kaioshins (with Shin as the slightly bemused Dai Kaioshin, as befits the winning universe), and giving Goku and co. readier access to the extra-universe rivals they've met so far, like Hit and Jiren - sure they're still around, but the Universes are self-contained. It also would make Freeza's return to rebuilding his empire more plausible.

It seems like a relatively small change in the scheme of things (and compared to other treatments in this topic), but I'd've personally found it an efficient and pleasing way of broadening the immediate horizons of Dragon Ball Super.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Matches Malone » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00 am

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pmWhat I'd've liked to see is the Zeno twins refusing to accept the wish to just restore the other Universes as is, as there really are too many and they are underperforming, and therefore for 17 to wish instead that the other Universes are restored within Universe 7. It would've opened up a much broader sandbox for the heroes to play in, with wider potential for future stories (like some sort of Sadala arc, as I've seen on many wish-lists for the future of DBS).
I think this would've been a great idea. There are countless possibilities that this would've opened for them.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Magnificent Ponta » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:32 pm

Matches Malone wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:00 am
Magnificent Ponta wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pmWhat I'd've liked to see is the Zeno twins refusing to accept the wish to just restore the other Universes as is, as there really are too many and they are underperforming, and therefore for 17 to wish instead that the other Universes are restored within Universe 7. It would've opened up a much broader sandbox for the heroes to play in, with wider potential for future stories (like some sort of Sadala arc, as I've seen on many wish-lists for the future of DBS).
I think this would've been a great idea. There are countless possibilities that this would've opened for them.
Thanks! I'd actually become quietly convinced that this really would be the actual ending when the show was still going on, so to find out that the wish was just a typical reset button after all made me go oh. well okay then

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm

I definitely would have liked to see the Tournament of Power stuff handled a bit differently. In particular, I would've interwoven the recruitment stuff into the episodes of the arc themselves and then cut the number of episodes.

Furthermore, Gokuu really should have been MIA after the Genki-dama failed until Kale, Caulifla and Jiren were the only enemies left. This would highlight the others more and more evenly space Gokuu's fighting out:
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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Matches Malone » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:51 am

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:32 pmTo find out that the wish was just a typical reset button after all made me go oh. well okay then
What makes things worse is how long the arc was, so to just end it like that with 0 changes to the status quo made the whole thing feel pointless.

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by emperior » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:40 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm I definitely would have liked to see the Tournament of Power stuff handled a bit differently. In particular, I would've interwoven the recruitment stuff into the episodes of the arc themselves and then cut the number of episodes.
This was a nice read. I like your ideas a lot. Is there more of this?
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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:42 pm

emperior wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:40 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm I definitely would have liked to see the Tournament of Power stuff handled a bit differently. In particular, I would've interwoven the recruitment stuff into the episodes of the arc themselves and then cut the number of episodes.
This was a nice read. I like your ideas a lot. Is there more of this?
Yup~!! It's been a while sense I did a revision so it's always possible some details might change but I do have more ideas!
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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by emperior » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:45 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:42 pm
emperior wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:40 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm I definitely would have liked to see the Tournament of Power stuff handled a bit differently. In particular, I would've interwoven the recruitment stuff into the episodes of the arc themselves and then cut the number of episodes.
This was a nice read. I like your ideas a lot. Is there more of this?
Yup~!! It's been a while sense I did a revision so it's always possible some details might change but I do have more ideas!
Thanks!

I found the bit of Goku fighting naked quite funny.
And I particularly liked how you put in some judo throws into the mix. You may have gotten a bit too detailed in some bits regarding the fighting, the nose bleeds, the anatomical stuff etcetera but it’s definitely a cool addition though a bit un-Dragon Ball like.

I will definitely give your other stuff a read. Nice work!
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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by JulieYBM » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:01 pm

emperior wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:45 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:42 pm
emperior wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:40 pm
This was a nice read. I like your ideas a lot. Is there more of this?
Yup~!! It's been a while sense I did a revision so it's always possible some details might change but I do have more ideas!
Thanks!

I found the bit of Goku fighting naked quite funny.
And I particularly liked how you put in some judo throws into the mix. You may have gotten a bit too detailed in some bits regarding the fighting, the nose bleeds, the anatomical stuff etcetera but it’s definitely a cool addition though a bit un-Dragon Ball like.

I will definitely give your other stuff a read. Nice work!
Ah, yeah, I combine ideas from other media since I consume a lot. I really wanted to depict the marathon feel of the tournament. I've worked myself to exhaustion before and it's such a traumatizing feeling. Whether it's because I go on a four hour walk or a ninety minute bike ride or even a ten hour work day in retail there's a sort of fear that becomes bred in one's heart when they reach their limit. I wanted to convey that into the battles a bit, while also giving the character's highlights of their own. Jiren is--at least until the final battle--a force of nature. He's like facing down a tsunami or hurricane. Hell, I suppose for me he is like working a 45-hour week during the Holidays at a big box retail store.

I also felt like I wanted to see how the characters would react in those situations and then improve. I felt like showing too much Gokuu made it hard to depict his improvement, so he goes missing to meditate and rebuild his ki as well as study and learn from Jiren and Vegeta. This also meant I could move the Kefla fight to later in the tournament.

You'll notice that I also play around a little bit with the structures. I originally wanted each arc to have a different storytelling structure but I don't think I covered that as well. The Beers arc is "casual, lackadaisical Dragon Ball" while the Golden Freeza arc is "Dragon Ball if it were about the antagonists". In the Champa arc I wanted to see the characters begin fights in the hole. That's why I have Gokuu break a hand and try to hide it throughout the rest of the tournament. I also wanted to see Vegeta go through a marathon of sorts by basically having the fight three taxing four taxing enemies. I also thought it would be nice to highlight the humor of the ridiculousness of the whims of the two Destruction Gods. Last but not least, because I don't like the Kaiou-ken I replaced it with Gokuu and Piccolo teaming up again ala the Raditz battle. I'm concerned that I ditched what I thought was a really good ending in having Gokuu give up but alas.

The Future Trunks arc had story elements set up earlier in the Champa arc. I felt like having Zamasu and Gowasu introduced in that arc made it easier to build up to their characters as a subplot. Maybe it telegraphs the plot a little here but I think it works. Furthermore, I removed Vegetto because I hate fusion. :lol: I feel like it's easier to depict Gokuu and Vegeta's growth the way I did it in #24-25.
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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by Tai Lung » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:16 pm

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pm When I think of things I would've liked changed in Dragon Ball Super's story, I guess the principal thing that stands out for me as a missed opportunity is the resolution of the Tournament Of Power arc - most specifically, the wish Android 17 makes.

It seems a strange decision, from a narrative standpoint, just to press the reset button like that and basically say 'no harm done!', and stranger still that the Zeno twins allow it to stand, given their determination to simply off all of the underperforming Universes at the outset of the arc - the anime tries to pass it off as a sort of test that they were hoping the winner would make, like some sort of cosmic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, but while the attempt is valiant, it isn't convincing - to me, at least.

What I'd've liked to see is the Zeno twins refusing to accept the wish to just restore the other Universes as is, as there really are too many and they are underperforming, and therefore for 17 to wish instead that the other Universes are restored within Universe 7. It would've opened up a much broader sandbox for the heroes to play in, with wider potential for future stories (like some sort of Sadala arc, as I've seen on many wish-lists for the future of DBS).

It also would've resolved some other details, like boosting Universe 7's mortal level and in some way undoing the damage caused by Buu and Freeza in times past (and Moro, if he'd been conceived of yet), restoring a full roster of Kaioshins (with Shin as the slightly bemused Dai Kaioshin, as befits the winning universe), and giving Goku and co. readier access to the extra-universe rivals they've met so far, like Hit and Jiren - sure they're still around, but the Universes are self-contained. It also would make Freeza's return to rebuilding his empire more plausible.

It seems like a relatively small change in the scheme of things (and compared to other treatments in this topic), but I'd've personally found it an efficient and pleasing way of broadening the immediate horizons of Dragon Ball Super.
I suppose your idea is that by creating an "omniverse" and thus the mortality problem would be solved in addition to the inclusion of villains would not feel forced

yes i have thought about it too and it's a great idea :clap:

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

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Magnificent Ponta wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:08 pm When I think of things I would've liked changed in Dragon Ball Super's story, I guess the principal thing that stands out for me as a missed opportunity is the resolution of the Tournament Of Power arc - most specifically, the wish Android 17 makes.

It seems a strange decision, from a narrative standpoint, just to press the reset button like that and basically say 'no harm done!', and stranger still that the Zeno twins allow it to stand, given their determination to simply off all of the underperforming Universes at the outset of the arc - the anime tries to pass it off as a sort of test that they were hoping the winner would make, like some sort of cosmic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, but while the attempt is valiant, it isn't convincing - to me, at least.

What I'd've liked to see is the Zeno twins refusing to accept the wish to just restore the other Universes as is, as there really are too many and they are underperforming, and therefore for 17 to wish instead that the other Universes are restored within Universe 7. It would've opened up a much broader sandbox for the heroes to play in, with wider potential for future stories (like some sort of Sadala arc, as I've seen on many wish-lists for the future of DBS).

It also would've resolved some other details, like boosting Universe 7's mortal level and in some way undoing the damage caused by Buu and Freeza in times past (and Moro, if he'd been conceived of yet), restoring a full roster of Kaioshins (with Shin as the slightly bemused Dai Kaioshin, as befits the winning universe), and giving Goku and co. readier access to the extra-universe rivals they've met so far, like Hit and Jiren - sure they're still around, but the Universes are self-contained. It also would make Freeza's return to rebuilding his empire more plausible.

It seems like a relatively small change in the scheme of things (and compared to other treatments in this topic), but I'd've personally found it an efficient and pleasing way of broadening the immediate horizons of Dragon Ball Super.
YES! This would have been awesome!

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Re: My Dragon Ball Super rewrite

Post by BWri » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:39 pm What do you think about this version of the story fellas?
To be honest none of this appeals to me. You seem to have focused on all the parts about Dragon Ball that I don't really care for.
So we have drastically different tastes, but I do agree that I'd focus more on the SSG transformation instead of jumping straight to SSB. SSG has a lot of potential and I like your idea of showing them mastering that form completely before moving on to the next one. Missed opportunity there.
JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:17 pm I've got a few ideas for a 'rewrite' of Dragon Ball Super. They're not all that finished, though.
I'm working on one as well, though I went with the lead-up to the tournament of power, expanding the two days before the tournament to two months. It's the most interest period of Super to me, because of all the stories that could've been told. It should honestly be an arc all its own ... which is why I felt the need to write it. I do have some ideas about previous arcs though.
JulieYBM wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:17 pm One of the ideas I came up with is introducing Zamasu and Gowasu during the Champa arc. This way, I'm able to make the Champa arc and Future Trunks arc work as either two movies or a thirteen episode TV series.
This is always a good idea. Foreshadowing does a lot for a story. I like how Toyotaro did it with Champa and Vados in BoG.

Some rewrites I'd prefer to see in previous arcs
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