What would be the breaking point Super would do that would make you feel like it jumped the shark?

[LoganForkHands73]

It encapsulates every negative stereotype normies associate with Dragon Ball: two beefy screaming guys changing their hair/skin colours and punching and firing blasts at each other repeatedly until one falls down

Can't you say exactly the same thing about Broly movie? With even more fanservice by introducing two popular non-canon characters into the original story (one of which being the absolute portrait of how people view Dragon Ball) to appeal the fans?

True but Broly was incredibly well animated and enjoyable to watch, plus had engaging central character arcs. The same can't be said of RoF, at least not anywhere near the same extent. Broly doesn't throw out a huge amount of original ideas, but I always applaud it for actually trying to change our perceptions of Broly as a general concept, proving that he can be more than a one-note steroid monster that the Z Movie sequels exaggerated him into. I get that you're probably going for Devil's Advocate here though.

I think RoF encapsulates how people perceive "boring DBZ". There's no sense of tension or progression in Goku vs. Freeza, it's literally just two strong guys wailing on each other in the sky for like ten minutes, the choreography is as flat as a pancake. I like to think Broly represents "hype DBZ", an actually thrilling, epic battle with great visual storytelling. We see the Saiyans push each other to insane extremes, so it actually looks and feels like a fight between gods.

[Kakarotto92]

a Golden form for Freeza and making him reach the power of Blue in 4 months overtaking all previous DBZ villains,

How is that any different from Gohan getting stronger than 23rd TB Goku (or even Raditz) after just one year of training with Piccolo? Goku's 5 year old kid gets more powerful than he ever was (pre-Kaio) after a small one year time skip, while it took Goku the entirety of OG DB (6 arcs) to reach that level.

Here's the Wikipedia definition of jumping the shark:

Jumping the shark is an idiom used to describe the moment of a misguided attempt at generating new publicity for something once, but no longer, widely popular; the attempt serves instead to highlight the irrelevance of what it intends to promote.
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The idiom "jumping the shark" is pejorative, most commonly used in reference to unsuccessful gimmicks for promoting something. It is similar to "past its peak", but it more specifically suggests an unwillingness to acknowledge the fact.
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The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadened beyond television, indicating the moment when a brand, design, franchise, or creative effort's evolution declines, or when it changes notably in style into something unwelcome.

Reading that definition reminds me more of GT, Batman and Robin or the Clone Saga in the Spider-man comics, rather than Super. I'm not sure about this, but wasn't GT's lack of success one of the main reasons we didn't get any new content for more than a decade until the 2008 special and Kai? Say what you will about Super, at least it did well financially and increased the franchise's popularity both during and after its airing.

Many people ITT seem to be mistaking "jumping the shark" with something just being controversial or dividing the fandom.

There's many things in modern Dragon Ball which I'm not a fan of (Broly being canon and even more OP than og Broly, Minus being canon and replacing the old Bardock special, Super being stuck in the pre-EoZ period forever, Goten and Trunks never growing up, etc), but I wouldn't call any of it a "breaking point" or point of no return (yet). For now these are mostly things that I can either overlook or that can be easily fixed down the line.

[precita]

"Jumping the shark" doesn't always mean a series turns terrible, but does something the series that alienates fans who have been watching.

Some examples include Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 6-7 (or even before that introducing Buffy's kid sister Dawn), Pokemon anime fans feel it jumped when Misty left or the original trio split up (even though that's nearly 20 years ago now), or in GT's case making Goku a kid again was the first very big red flag the series was going to do some weird things.

[TheSaiyanGod]

It encapsulates every negative stereotype normies associate with Dragon Ball: two beefy screaming guys changing their hair/skin colours and punching and firing blasts at each other repeatedly until one falls down

Can't you say exactly the same thing about Broly movie? With even more fanservice by introducing two popular non-canon characters into the original story (one of which being the absolute portrait of how people view Dragon Ball) to appeal the fans?

True but Broly was incredibly well animated and enjoyable to watch, plus had engaging central character arcs. The same can't be said of RoF, at least not anywhere near the same extent. Broly doesn't throw out a huge amount of original ideas, but I always applaud it for actually trying to change our perceptions of Broly as a general concept, proving that he can be more than a one-note steroid monster that the Z Movie sequels exaggerated him into. I get that you're probably going for Devil's Advocate here though.

The animation and fights are undeniably great, but my point is that this pretty much carries the movie. Except for it, it is no different from the premise of RoF, especially since the main reason for the introduction of Broly in the story is his popularity (according to the Toriyama himself). Pretty sure that the intention with the return of freeza was the same.

It also does not help that despite the slightly better backstory, Broly is still bland and offers no interesting interaction with other characters except being a powerhouse that screams most of the time as his previous version.

The movie has a great start with the lore about the Saiyans, but the rest is basically just fights (which is obviously not bad, especially with the level of animation we have seen), but as I said my point is that is the same as ROF. RoF at least tried to change the status quo of the series a little by getting Goku / Vegeta to be trained by Whis (which allowed for interaction with other GoDs, this being the starting point for the Champa tournament and later the ToP) and teasing Ultra Instinct, in addition to being the reason why Freeza's return on ToP became possible (which links directly to Broly movie)

[Yuji]

Dragon Ball is perpetually jumping the shark. It's an over-the-top, bombastic series with hints of self-parody. I can get on-board with any plot development as long as it doesn't bore me.

[Kodoshin]

I feel like that happened with its creation. I still love it, but to me it will always be in a different tier than the original series. That's just fine though. To give a sports analogy - everyone loses their fastball eventually. It's still a fun ride and that's good enough for me these days.