nhienphan2808 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:15 pm
I can see your point. I know one popular and FAIR negative criticism of Z is that it has no good flow and story and focused too much on fighting and that's why some say OG Dragon Ball is better where there's still a story to it and everything is tied together smoothly. But to me, there's a difference between a good story and a good Dragon ball story. And if i want a good story with adventure and drama MAIN elements. i would look to JoJo and not Dragon Ball.
For those that asked about Super 17 Saga, I think the difference is while it's true that it's mainly fighting, only Goku is "fighting" in it. He is like very far above everyone else, removed from the themes that others set, which is not "fighting", merely "adventuring". In Z and Super, while he is also the hero of the day, he is not so far "removed" from others. Others would be as much fighters as he is for that one arc. There are more heroic characters like Trunks and Gohan, but It's about fun and games and the sense of competition for all of them in Z/Super. The talk that GT Goku is too OP is valid. He was the only "fighter" in "adventure" -ing GT. And there was no feeling that he's getting stronger. He just saves the say because he's by default the strongest. That's why even with "defeating a main strong guy" in Super 17, it seems more like JoJo to me than Dragon Ball.
I can definitely understand your points even if I don't fully agree. Because I view GT as the end of Goku's journey, I find the massive power gap between him and the others to be pretty plausible, considering his personality, where he is as of EoZ and all his continued training, and with how Vegeta is more laid back in GT. I would still wager that even though the other characters show up in Super more regularly, other than Vegeta (and then Frieza, 17, and somewhat Gohan), it still feels like Goku is FAR above the rest. But I get what you mean in that they still get to be in on the action, it's just that for me it's not handled
that much better than in GT because (aside from the exceptions I named) they're kind of just there. It's not as if they have any impact on the outcomes of fights when they join in.
While I understand Trunks and Goten not being much of fighters following EoZ, I definitely feel GT could have developed Pan's strength more. I wouldn't even mind if Goku and Pan were the only two characters whose power we witnessed growing, and if the core of GT was more definitively about a grandfather-granddaughter bond, with Goku training her. I understand the "Goku OP" criticism of GT, but over time that has become less and less of a negative for me when I view it as the end of his journey...and probably the closest thing to an ending we'll have for awhile.
For me, the biggest overall sin of GT is the dull fights. The only one I remember enjoying the fight choreography for was Gohan vs Goten...although even that, I'm not sure if it was the actual fight choreography or the scenario I enjoyed more. It's not an exclusive criticism of GT, as even the Z anime has some fights that aren't that interesting or well choreographed, but in GT it's the norm rather than the exception.