Is Super on its way out?

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Re: Is Super on its way out?

Post by Jord » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:26 am

SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:58 am
Jord wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 2:35 am Then I mixed up the Broly release by a few months. Fact is, since the end of the anime we only got a single movie and that is already 2 years ago,
End of the Anime: March 2018.

Broly movie: December 2018.

Super Hero Movie: June 2022.

That is two movies since the end of the Anime. Two. I genuienly do not understand what is so complicated here.
As I said, I mixed the release dates up. Means we only got two animated projects since the anime's cancellation, with the last one being two years old, with nothing animated announced after.
Sure, if you ignore all the marketing and promotion with Super characters that was done for Sparking Zero a few days ago, which not only disproves your claim that the Super brand is "dead", but also your claim that people only care about DBZ. Not only Sparking Zero is not branded as "DBZ", but simply as "Dragon Ball", but currently half if not more of its roster is comprised of Super characters, Super forms, and legacy characters in their Super outfits.

As for Super's manga on hiatus, for the 1000th time, you people need to stop looking at hiatuses as signs of the apocalypse and start encouraging them. Mangaka should be taking hiatuses more regularly, how many more mangaka need to pass before you people get the memo? I don't understand why you haters are celebrating Toyotaro going on hiatus as a big "W" that "proves that Super is dead", instead of simply saying "Oh cool, Toyotaro is taking some time to rest, more mangaka should do this!" Like I assure you, Toyotaro going on hiatus is not the gotcha W that you think it is.

So No, Super clearly remains popular, iconic, and easily-recognizable as a brand, and your strange hate-crusade against Super is neither here nor there.
I am not talking about the video games, I'm talking about animated projects, which we've seen none of regarding Super. Characters from the post anime-manga have not materialized in any other form such as video games or figurines, excluding the ones from the movie of course. Where are figurines of Moro or Black Freeza? Or Cereal?
Oh wait, there are none since the parent company doesn't consider it worthwhile to invest in those characters, beyond their manga appearance.

But since you want to include video games, I guess that means that GT was still alive a few years back, since we got marketing and promotion for GT characters for FighterZ and the mobile games. Heck, the last two huge characters for FighterZ were Gogeta SSJ4 and Baby Vegeta. Guess that means that GT is still a huge brand.

Toyotaro taking a break is probably mostly due to Toriyama's death and plotting out a course for the future. We all know how often authors are granted breaks in that manga world. I do agree that taking a break would be healthy in that industry.

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Re: Is Super on its way out?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:56 pm

Jord wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:26 am I am not talking about the video games
Yeah, you changed the tune quickly. I remember your old arguments used to be "All modern games are still branded Z so no one cares about Super". Sparking Zero clearly killed that tune.
Characters from the post anime-manga have not materialized in any other form such as video games or figurines, excluding the ones from the movie of course. Where are figurines of Moro or Black Freeza? Or Cereal?
Simple, because characters need to be animated first before being included in videogames and figurines.
Oh wait, there are none since the parent company doesn't consider it worthwhile to invest in those characters
This is your speculation of what the executives think, not a fact. Not interested in fanfiction.
But since you want to include video games, I guess that means that GT was still alive a few years back, since we got marketing and promotion for GT characters for FighterZ and the mobile games. Heck, the last two huge characters for FighterZ were Gogeta SSJ4 and Baby Vegeta. Guess that means that GT is still a huge brand.
I never denied that GT is still "alive" as a brand. The "huge" part remains to be proven.

Also, the last character for Fighterz was Android 21 in her Lab Coat, which is Modern Dragon Ball.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with Toyotaro

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