Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 10 - Official Discussion Thread

[jjgp1112]

Kid Vegeta's such a sassy bitch

[StaticMania]

Nah...it was shown they started flying away.

Huh? If the Demon Police can fly, why use ships anyway?

For the same reason the heroes do...

It's convenient.

[Chuquita]

+Finally, the A & B teams are together!
+the kraken and everything related to evading them.
+independently Goku and Vegeta express their desires to get their adult bodies back; keep your eyes on the prize!
+Vegeta's thoughts on breasts is the kind of granular ship lore that gets my attention. I found it interesting how matter of fact (no blushing-- this does not embarrass him) he was.
+Vegeta being upset that Bulma would let him go back to being an adult without her.
-Goku and Vegeta held a conversation! Progress!
+I smiled at the Gowasu cameo, I miss the insanity of the Goku Black arc.

-Bulma being ok with growing up again naturally while Vegeta wishes himself back to adulthood. Seems strange she'd be satisfied with that plan unless she was joking with him.
-Aw man, I really have no interest in the glind lore so it felt like the story briefly ground to a halt when Bulma was like yes, tell us more.

+/-I was briefly worried when Goku ate that revive bug that some bad side effects were gonna happen, but looks like he's fine.
+/-the new Majin is there. I'm meh about him.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Something to note is that Shin/Nahare didn't know about Beerus, either.

So it's possible that teachings on the Destroyers is a later teaching to apprentice Kaioshin, with knowledge on Zen'oh being considered part of that since he's a Destroyer while Rymus is a creator.

Rymus is the God of Creation, Zen'oh is the God of Destruction, and Daishinkan is the Angel. And maybe it similarly follows the same trend in power where Rymus is the weakest in strength, Zen'oh is stronger but doesn't have much magical prowess, and Daishinkan has the greatest martial arts prowess but doesn't actually have destructive strength.

[Berserker1921]

Something to note is that Shin/Nahare didn't know about Beerus, either.

So it's possible that teachings on the Destroyers is a later teaching to apprentice Kaioshin, with knowledge on Zen'oh being considered part of that since he's a Destroyer while Rymus is a creator.

Rymus is the God of Creation, Zen'oh is the God of Destruction, and Daishinkan is the Angel. And maybe it similarly follows the same trend in power where Rymus is the weakest in strength, Zen'oh is stronger but doesn't have much magical prowess, and Daishinkan has the greatest martial arts prowess but doesn't actually have destructive strength.

I like this theory.

Rymus=Zeno
Kais=GoD

They are counter opposites of one another. But who was this old demon king? And what are the angels?

[Zephyr]

I wonder who that Supreme Demon king dude is in this hierarchy? If he could order Rymus to create the multiverse then wouldn’t that imply some level of superiority to even the highest order of diety?

Something to note is that Shin/Nahare didn't know about Beerus, either.

So it's possible that teachings on the Destroyers is a later teaching to apprentice Kaioshin, with knowledge on Zen'oh being considered part of that since he's a Destroyer while Rymus is a creator.

Rymus is the God of Creation, Zen'oh is the God of Destruction, and Daishinkan is the Angel. And maybe it similarly follows the same trend in power where Rymus is the weakest in strength, Zen'oh is stronger but doesn't have much magical prowess, and Daishinkan has the greatest martial arts prowess but doesn't actually have destructive strength.

I like this theory.

Rymus=Zeno
Kais=GoD

They are counter opposites of one another. But who was this old demon king? And what are the angels?

Big shot in the dark here.....maybe the angels attend to the destroyers, while the demons attend to the creators? It's also an inversion on what you might expect angels and demons to involve themselves with, which I think would be neat.

[Berserker1921]

I wonder who that Supreme Demon king dude is in this hierarchy? If he could order Rymus to create the multiverse then wouldn’t that imply some level of superiority to even the highest order of diety?

Something to note is that Shin/Nahare didn't know about Beerus, either.

So it's possible that teachings on the Destroyers is a later teaching to apprentice Kaioshin, with knowledge on Zen'oh being considered part of that since he's a Destroyer while Rymus is a creator.

Rymus is the God of Creation, Zen'oh is the God of Destruction, and Daishinkan is the Angel. And maybe it similarly follows the same trend in power where Rymus is the weakest in strength, Zen'oh is stronger but doesn't have much magical prowess, and Daishinkan has the greatest martial arts prowess but doesn't actually have destructive strength.

I like this theory.

Rymus=Zeno
Kais=GoD

They are counter opposites of one another. But who was this old demon king? And what are the angels?

Big shot in the dark here.....maybe the angels attend to the destroyers, while the demons attend to the creators? It's also an inversion on what you might expect angels and demons to involve themselves with, which I think would be neat.

That can work. That would make things make sense. However I don’t know if Daima will explain any of that unless it ends with Whis over seeing all the events on his staff and about to wake up Beerus. And with no toriyama around, we won’t get any clarification to all this. I hope Toyotaro explains this.

[Luso Saiyan]

That could mean a lot or it could mean nothing. Don’t forget that Otherworld tournament characters were referenced in Toriyamas manga even though that arc itself isn’t part of the manga’s continuity. Or even how the Bardock special was referenced and now that story isnt part of his manga either.

It means that that they are taking Super into account, hence all the references made so far. They went out of their way to do that when they could have easily not done so.

An instance of the Bardock special is referenced in the manga, and that instance is a thing that did happen in the story. Not sure what Otherworld tournament characters are reference in the manga. More like a fighter mentioned in the manga ended up getting a portrayal in the anime. A portrayal that the manga never references. Neither are comparable to what's happening here.

[Mr Baggins]

Great episode, just like last week's.

1. All the discourse surrounding Kuu's/Koo's design last thread is funny in hindsight. Guy is a total goober as suspected, and the story is very tongue-in-cheek about his role. I guess that should have been apparent from his look and name scheme alone.

2. Vegeta is a boobs man! Hey, I'm here for it. Love that we're progressively still getting to know the cast in general, legacy or not. Panzy has been my least favorite in the group and yet even she's been slowly growing on me for a few episodes now.

3. Rymus is clearly connected to Zeno in some way; their designs and especially their color schemes are too similar for that not to be the case. I doubt that Daima is trying to overwrite Super, and even if it is, whatever. I'm still enjoying the worldbuilding.

If that 20 episode rumor is true, we're at the halfway point now and I'm already dreading the finale. Not because of any belief that they can't wrap it up in 20 – I'm rather just having way too much fun with this show to be agonizing over the end. But all good things must end, and ultimately I'd want something more concise than an anime the length of a dozen bloated seasons.

Still, I'm interested to see how everything's gonna dovetail in the climax. I expect it to be a mostly high-key affair.

[FortuneSSJ]

This was a strange episode but in really good way.
Strange, because not only the pacing is faster than most previous episodes, things just didn't stop moving, both the plot and animation.

Constantly moving between different points of views - Majin Kuu vs Tamagami 1, Goku team scenes and Vegeta team scenes. Thats the kind of storytelling I love.And since the pacing was so good, both teams already arrived in the second Demon Realm and met each other. And of course ends with Neva.

Such a well directed episode. Hopefully we will get more like this.

Loved the good Supreme Demon King design and color scheme. Abura is cool too.
I guess Zeno is a Rymus.

[Berserker1921]

This was a strange episode but in really good way.
Strange, because not only the pacing is faster than most previous episodes, things just didn't stop moving, both the plot and animation.

Constantly moving between different points of views - Majin Kuu vs Tamagami 1, Goku team scenes and Vegeta team scenes. Thats the kind of storytelling I love.And since the pacing was so good, both teams already arrived in the second Demon Realm and met each other. And of course ends with Neva.

Such a well directed episode. Hopefully we will get more like this.

Loved the good Supreme Demon King design and color scheme. Abura is cool too.
I guess Zeno is a Rymus.

I don’t think Zeno is a rymus. He doesnt have point-y ears. He has circular ones. Also as many people pointed out. Kaioshin may not know everything. He had no idea who Zeno was.

[JulieYBM]

I gotta agree, the shifting between the storylines here felt really tightly written and directed. I think this is might just be my second favorite episode of the series behind Episode #8—although they're about even for different reasons, I think.

[StaticMania]

I honestly expected Majin Kuu to die...

Because that's where the money is, but him graciously accepting defeat and giving up was a nice outcome.

[JulieYBM]

Personal Shopper Majin Buu honestly sounds like a more fun storyline, anyway.

[tonysoprano300]

That could mean a lot or it could mean nothing. Don’t forget that Otherworld tournament characters were referenced in Toriyamas manga even though that arc itself isn’t part of the manga’s continuity. Or even how the Bardock special was referenced and now that story isnt part of his manga either.

It means that that they are taking Super into account, hence all the references made so far. They went out of their way to do that when they could have easily not done so.

An instance of the Bardock special is referenced in the manga, and that instance is a thing that did happen in the story. Not sure what Otherworld tournament characters are reference in the manga. More like a fighter mentioned in the manga ended up getting a portrayal in the anime. A portrayal that the manga never references. Neither are comparable to what's happening here.

Well i mean to be clear, when we talk about continuity it doesn’t strictly have to mean that both stories don’t share any identifiable components like plot lines, lore, or characters.The DBZ anime for example is not in continuity with the DB manga even though they both a share the same story framework, skeleton, event timelines etc.

If someone argues that Daima is in continuity with Super because they make references to certain characters or lore bits, then the obvious counter argument to that would be that the DBZ anime also shares those things with the DB manga. When we see the south kai in the manga, one cant look at that and just immediately assume that it follows the anime continuity. In the same way that if I see a reference to Gowasu, it doesn’t necessarily mean that characters like Zamasu exist well. For all we know, Toriyama is just borrowing the bits that he likes.


Other people have argued that you can’t look at every bit of a continuity error and assume that’s automatically enough to discount things because by that logic you could say that the Boo arc isn’t in continuity which obviously wouldn’t be true. And you could somewhat explain away all of the errors in Daima if you try hard enough. I think thats what prevents me from definitively saying that Super and Daima are separate, and of course we’ll see how things progress.

[AtlasFlame18]

Personal Shopper Majin Buu honestly sounds like a more fun storyline, anyway.

Majin Kuu would fit right at home as some kind of personal assistant at Capsule Corp for Bulma and her family.

[Fizzer]

Lore wise, this does feel like it should be taking place after Super. The world opens up into multiple Universes each with their own gods, and THEN spotlights an inner-world where the creator of them all originated, surely? That's the escalation.

I do hope it all fits together in some way.

It feels like the universe is shrinking because all of this sounds so recent. The Namekians left the Demon Realm one generation before Kami? Shin left the Demon Realm to become a Kaioshin for Universe 7 - where does that leave Old Kai from 15 generations before him? He's a Glind but not a Kaioshin? So many people knew about this?

The Kuu fight and outcome was great this episode, and I do always love a bit of Dragon Ball theology.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm surprised that the DB universe has a creation being. I always imagine the universes were created by some big bang that end up creating up Zeno and the angels.

[Berserker1921]

I'm surprised that the DB universe has a creation being. I always imagine the universes were created by some big bang that end up creating up Zeno and the angels.

A lot of the fan base assumed it was Zalama in the past or Grand Priest. And if Rymus is the counter opposite of Zeno. The real question is who and what are the angels?

I mean in the past, the angels are safe from his destruction or immune to death. However play a pivotal connection to the gods. If either a GoD or Glind dies, they become inert.

[JulieYBM]

Personal Shopper Majin Buu honestly sounds like a more fun storyline, anyway.

Majin Kuu would fit right at home as some kind of personal assistant at Capsule Corp for Bulma and her family.

Wow, I just realized that I accidentally wrote 'Majin Buu', when I actually meant to type 'Majin Kuu' lol, but this would also work.

Blooma making Majin Kuu her errand boy? Brilliant.