Who is the strongest human?

[AnzuMazaki]

I am just saying that it appeared that Yamcha stopped training almost completely after the Cell Arc. Before that he cared a lot about fighting, except for the few years between Dragonball and Z.

I know.

I wouldn't be surpirsed, I mean being beaten to near death by another monster was the final straw for him.

Any other human his age who is not Tenshinhan would have quit fighting because of Piccolo Daimao instead of Cell.

[Kid Trunks]

If she counted as human why would Kuririn wish for her humanity back? She is and will remain an artificial/synthetic human.

Is any of the stuff about Bulma, Videl, Chi Chi and Dabura when they're dead in the manga? Because in those scenes in the anime, 18 is never around, meaning she has no soul. That would lead me to believe shes not human . So are any of those scenes canon?

[Xyex]

That, and unless I'm mistaken it's little Marron he's talking to. Whether it's true or not, it strikes me as just saying, "your daddy's the strongest human in the world!"

Well, he tells Marron that Krillin's the strongest. Then thinks to himself the 'amoung humans anyway' bit.

I wouldn't be surpirsed, I mean being beaten to near death by another monster was the final straw for him.

I'm thinking Gero shoving a hand through his chest and then seeing just how much he was outclassed by the current threat level (SSJs getting smacked around like flies, SSJ2 being needed to stop Cell, etc) he kind of got that "Why the hell should I bother? Gohan or Vegeta can kick the asses of anyone else who causes trouble" kind of mentality. In early DB he trained just to compete with Goku and in Z he trained to defend the Earth. By the end of the Cell Saga both reasons were now pointless.

Is any of the stuff about Bulma, Videl, Chi Chi and Dabura when they're dead in the manga? Because in those scenes in the anime, 18 is never around, meaning she has no soul. That would lead me to believe shes not human . So are any of those scenes canon?

No, all the heaven stuff was filler.

[Darknat]

Wasn't it said somewhere that Ten Shin Han was as strong as goku on namek at the end of DBZ? I think it was said in a toriyama interview or something....



Anyway either that's true or not, I think Ten Shin Han should be stronger. He's been training all his life while Krilin just stopped after the cell saga.

Also, as DB has shown countless of times, there is no actual limit to the power they can get. They just grow in power at different paces.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

That, and unless I'm mistaken it's little Marron he's talking to. Whether it's true or not, it strikes me as just saying, "your daddy's the strongest human in the world!"

Well, he tells Marron that Krillin's the strongest. Then thinks to himself the 'amoung humans anyway' bit.

Looks like a speech bubble to me:

[FindKenshi]

What difference does it make? He's still talking to himself. As for Krillin training for the three years before the androids: I recall him turning down training with Goku. We don't know how much training he actually even did. He had already stated to Saichoro that he believed he had maxed out quite a while ago. Even having more potential left inside of him was something he didn't believe until he saw it with his own eyes. The title page that shows everyone training shows Krillin just sitting there, meditating. One could easily interprate that as just mental preparation, to face a threat greater than Freeza--a threat Krillin already knows going into the situation that he'll mainly just be on the side lines.

[Toriyama Boss]

That still doesn't change the fact that all the proof says Kuririn is the strongest.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

What difference does it make? He's still talking to himself. As for Krillin training for the three years before the androids: I recall him turning down training with Goku. We don't know how much training he actually even did. He had already stated to Saichoro that he believed he had maxed out quite a while ago. Even having more potential left inside of him was something he didn't believe until he saw it with his own eyes. The title page that shows everyone training shows Krillin just sitting there, meditating. One could easily interprate that as just mental preparation, to face a threat greater than Freeza--a threat Krillin already knows going into the situation that he'll mainly just be on the side lines.

We don't know how much training Tien did, either. We see him training with Chaitzu, but is that really significant? I would say it's not; Krillin was already beyond Tien at that point, unless you think he increased his power like 10-20x when he trained on Kaio's, which is what some really believe. Even if Krillin didn't want to train with Goku, Tien refused to train in the rosat, so they're equal when it comes to not wanting to go beyond their normal training limits.

[FindKenshi]

I think you may be a bit confused. My post was in response to Xyex saying that Kuririn training for the androids was proof that Saichoro didn't/couldn't have unlocked all of Kuririn's potential. I'm one in this topic actually arguing that Kuririn is superior to Tenshinhan.

[Victator Supreme]

That still doesn't change the fact that all the proof says Kuririn is the strongest.

Except you know it doesn't at all. In fact its the complete opposite.

[FindKenshi]

There is no "proof" either way. Thus this even being a debatable topic. I have no problem with people having opinions that differ from my own. When I start having problems is when people start putting on the attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong--my way is the only way." Accept that this is a gray area, people.

[Victator Supreme]

Lets see Tenshinhan slowing down a version of Cell actually does equal proof.

[Conan the SSJ]

We don't know how much training Tenshinhan did, either. We see him training with Chaitzu, but is that really significant? I would say it's not; Krillin was already beyond Tenshinhan at that point, unless you think he increased his power like 10-20x when he trained on Kaio's, which is what some really believe.

Well, Tenshinhan did train the longest under Kaio, as he stayed the longest out of everyone that went there. I don't know why it's so hard to believe he was stronger than Kuririn when he was wished back. With as powerful as Vegeta was at the time of Freeza's arrival on Earth, he also seemed confident that he could hold up to him, unlike Kuririn who was petrified to even kick a can around him.

I think Ten's big motivation for not training in the RoSaT was for two reasons; 1) even with 3 years of all-out training, alongside two Super Saiyans & a Namekian badass superior to himself, he still got completely owned by the "Androids" they were all warned of (albeit being much stronger than Trunks' versions). 2) SSJ Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks were so incredibly beyond him at the point where Goku and Gohan came out of the RoSaT, he just felt it'd be futile to try. I mean, he did train for another 3 or so days after losing to 17 and 18 I believe, and at his best could only hold semi-Perfect Cell off and nearly dying doing it.

As for Yamcha saying Kuririn being the strongest human, this is at a point where the gang haven't seen Ten for 7 years and he's likely just trying to ease a toddler's fears for her Dad.

[Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece]

Um... Regarding the speech bubble, couldn't that just be an opinion?

I'd like to class Tenshinhan at the top of the food chain for taking on Cell and Buu (however short it was) and Yamcha around the bottom for being almost killed by Gero. However, there's not much proof for Kuririn seeing as we don't seem him fight at all after he fights Freeza (save for the Cell Juniors).

This is starting to remind me of all those Mystic Gohan vs SSJ3 Goku threads I used to see...

[Toriyama Boss]

That still doesn't change the fact that all the proof says Kuririn is the strongest.

Except you know it doesn't at all. In fact its the complete opposite.

No it's not.

[Conan the SSJ]

Um... Regarding the speech bubble, couldn't that just be an opinion?

I'd like to class Tenshinhan at the top of the food chain for taking on Cell and Buu (however short it was) and Yamcha around the bottom for being almost killed by Gero. However, there's not much proof for Kuririn seeing as we don't seem him fight at all after he fights Freeza (save for the Cell Juniors).

Let me see, who Kuririn fought after Freeza and the Garlic Jr. saga...

Dr. Gero/#20 - This was while everyone was trying to find Gero's lab and Kuririn got sneak-attacked, though he wasn't as helpless here as Yamcha.
1st-form-Imperfect Cell - During Cell's absorption crusade, Kuririn saved a couple people and briefly fought him, actually doing a decent job in hurting Cell at one point.
Perfect-form Cell - Right after Cell reached his perfect form, Kuririn took a crack to avenge 18 and was basically no match against him, whom at this point hadn't done any powering up whatsoever, even the Kienzan did nothing.
Cell Jr. - Kuririn got owned?
Anime Kamehame-Ha Gohan/Cell battle - Kuririn lasted slightly longer than Yamcha, but not quite as long as Ten and Piccolo.

[FindKenshi]

Lets see Tenshinhan actually slowing down a version of Cell actually does equal proof.

No, it doesn't. You're telling me you know all about Shin Kikoho? And how it works? How much power it uses? Yeah, because all that is stated in the manga, right?

No, there is no proof. Honestly people, stop acting like you are Toriyama. We're all fans here, and there is no proof or concrete statement for this issue.

As for slowing down Cell, you're leaving out the part that it nearly killed him to do so, and that it caused no damage. Both Cell and Goku stated that Tenshinhan was as good as dead after using the Shin Kikoho. The senzu saved his life. And it's a "super" version of the technique that was known as a forbidden martial arts technique that we know almost nothing about, canonically speaking.

[NeptuneKai]

In light of new photographic evidence I have to believe we finally get a real answer on who the strongest human is.



Kendamu a mere earthling made his way to Namek not only that he jacked some poor schmucks armor,scouter boots and gloves! Kendamu is just one bad dude!

[djkalteraphine]

Can't argue with photos.

[Victator Supreme]

That still doesn't change the fact that all the proof says Kuririn is the strongest.

Except you know it doesn't at all. In fact its the complete opposite.

No it's not.

Um yeah it really is. Look people need to bring out some better stuff. Because as is the Krillan backers are just going to keep running into the same wall. Tenshinhan was always stronger. xcept for maybe a brief period on Namek. When Krillian had his current potential unlocked. But after a year of training under the lord of worlds and three years training on his own. Tenshinhan surpassed Krillan. The fact that Toriyama alway used Tenshinhan in fighting situations as superior points to this.

But some people just dance around Ten slowing Cell down. There is no equivilent moment during this period or after for Krillan. In fact if you use the anime. Krillan's most powerful attack was no sold by Perfect Cell. But its not completely fair to use that.

But in the Buu saga Ten deflected a energy blast created by Gotenks Buu. Who referred to Ten as a legendary fighter. Using the anime again, Krillan did not land a single blow on Super Buu. Once again not cmpletely fair to use that. Even if its one of Krillan's best moments on the show. Showing him going on a suicide run against a monster that Vegeat, Goku and Gohan could not stop.

As for slowing down Cell, you're leaving out the part that it nearly killed him to do so, and that it caused no damage. Both Cell and Goku stated that Tenshinhan was as good as dead after using the Shin Kikoho. The senzu saved his life. And it's a "super" version of the technique that was known as a forbidden martial arts technique that we know almost nothing about, canonically speaking.

The point is it slowed him down. The second Form of Cell. If it slowed him down. One hit would vapoise Krillan with ease. It would kill Frieza and Piccolo. Shit it might kill the early Super Saiyans.

But I do like how Ten mastering a secret forbidden martial arts technique and improving it, is somehow a point against him being strongest.