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Post by Jackal puFF » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:46 am

That was really good! Vegeta was spot on.. and his hair was perfect! Nappa's little laugh at the end, oh man! That scouter was nicely done. The trailer is bound to be interesting now.

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Post by Fulicer » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:22 am

JulieYBM wrote:
Son Geeko wrote:Quite impressed so far, somewhat going in the right direction compared to the earlier snips and peaks. The armor still looks a bit cheap, but certainly an improvement over they're original designs.

My only real compliant, that line delivery felt very off to me.
Yeah, trying to imitate Sabat really isn't a good idea.
They're probably going to make the voices cartoony. I heard their Piccolo actor doing a sample line and it sounded goofy (in some previous clip).

Cartoony voices often seem a bit strange if they are used in live action films, because it's more apparent that the voice is forced (based on the actor's facial expressions, et cetera). It's not like Hugh Jackman was trying imitate Cal Dodd, and thankfully he didn't sound like that.

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Post by Gonstead » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:58 am

JulieYBM wrote:
Son Geeko wrote:Quite impressed so far, somewhat going in the right direction compared to the earlier snips and peaks. The armor still looks a bit cheap, but certainly an improvement over they're original designs.

My only real compliant, that line delivery felt very off to me.
Yeah, trying to imitate Sabat really isn't a good idea.
He sounded more like Drummond to me in that clip.
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Post by Attitudefan » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:40 pm

Gonstead wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:
Son Geeko wrote:Quite impressed so far, somewhat going in the right direction compared to the earlier snips and peaks. The armor still looks a bit cheap, but certainly an improvement over they're original designs.

My only real compliant, that line delivery felt very off to me.
Yeah, trying to imitate Sabat really isn't a good idea.
He sounded more like Drummond to me in that clip.
Yes, he did
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Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:56 pm

Trailer was great, I really like the new armor designs. They look fresh and new while still keeping faithful to the original. The acting and effects are what I was expecting. Nothing great but not unbearable. About what you would expect from a fan film.

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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:39 am

A trailer for a trailer :? Somewhere Xzibit is smirking.
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:43 pm

Attitudefan wrote:
Gonstead wrote: He sounded more like Drummond to me in that clip.
Yes, he did
Makes sense too if you think about it. They are from England and that's the dubb they would be drawing from.
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Post by Pafupafu » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:15 pm

I don't think this looks even remotely well-made. The scouter effect and the matte-ing of Vegetas hairline look super rushed. Also, the Saiyan Armor does not look worthy of the money they were given to create it. Vegeta's little "Chest Ball" is bent in during his dialogue. Poorly lit too. Canon 5D ftw.

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Post by Rukura » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:47 pm

I think the only real visual issue that really stood out was that last shot with the view of the planets.....that weren't there a few seconds earlier.

As far as the characters themselves:
- The scouters themselves were cool even if not like the show's.
- Nappa's mustache. Seriously? So much crap for characters' lack of wristbands but no mustache is okay?
- And the armors were...not worth it. Seriously, the armor design it should be based on looks much simpler. (wouldn't that also had made it cheaper?) A case where "less is more" likely would sold it better.
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Post by Pafupafu » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:55 pm

Rukura wrote:I think the only real visual issue that really stood out was that last shot with the view of the planets.....that weren't there a few seconds earlier.

As far as the characters themselves:
- The scouters themselves were cool even if not like the show's.
- Nappa's mustache. Seriously? So much crap for characters' lack of wristbands but no mustache is okay?
- And the armors were...not worth it. Seriously, the armor design it should be based on looks much simpler. (wouldn't that also had made it cheaper?) A case where "less is more" likely would sold it better.

Exactly, the armor just seems so ridiculously overdone and underdone at the same time. There have been people who cosplay for literally zero dollars and create things substantially more visually appealing than these "moto-cross" pieces. The armor they chose photographs terrible as well...just way too much going on. Just another shortcoming from people in a position they never deserved.

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Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:53 pm

Does Piccolo's voice sound funny to anyone else? I don't think the lighting is that bad though.. Looks more real like that.

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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:21 pm

What's up with the displeasure towards the armor? I thought they looked great. Better than the first one they showed earlier.

Nappa may not have a mustache, but at least he looked pretty hot-headed, like an anime counterpart.
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:15 pm

The armor is way better than before. It's the boots that kill me. The thing I'm interested in seeing now is the clash between the old costume and the new ones. All of the old costumes(for the Z warriors) are ratty and thrown together while this new armor is hyper detailed and super clean. I wouldn't think they would look nice next to each other but we'll see.
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Post by ultimateemail5000 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:10 am

I really like everything they did, the scouter is really awesome. Nappa's lack of mustache is okay, Luigi didn't have a mustache in the Mario Bros movie, and that movie is now being liked a lot more than it was back in 93.

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Post by DBZnut » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:42 am

This is going to be quite solid IMO, nothing amazing but we can't expect that from a 15,000 dollar budget

Really hope it goes well, i think the saiyan suits need to be more solid and thick though, they look odd to me
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Post by Son Geeko » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:27 am

Pafupafu wrote:I don't think this looks even remotely well-made. The scouter effect and the matte-ing of Vegetas hairline look super rushed. Also, the Saiyan Armor does not look worthy of the money they were given to create it. Vegeta's little "Chest Ball" is bent in during his dialogue. Poorly lit too. Canon 5D ftw.
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Post by Pafupafu » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:43 pm

Son Geeko wrote:
Pafupafu wrote:I don't think this looks even remotely well-made. The scouter effect and the matte-ing of Vegetas hairline look super rushed. Also, the Saiyan Armor does not look worthy of the money they were given to create it. Vegeta's little "Chest Ball" is bent in during his dialogue. Poorly lit too. Canon 5D ftw.
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Story isn't all that matters. Toriyama already told this story. If they are stealing the story to begin with, we should at least expect they could spend $15,000+ on production values...seeing as that's all there is to spend it on...

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Post by Insertclevername » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:58 pm

One complaint I have are the quality of the boots, they look pretty cheap. I know thats nit picky but they have a big enough budget to afford nicer boots. Also, Vegeta's line delivery, at least for his first sentence, was atrocious. He sounded more Sabat than Chris Sabat himself...and that doesn't even make sense!!
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Post by Pafupafu » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:13 pm

I think people are having a problem realizing how budgeting for costume design/conception works. K&K was given a substantial budget for such and due to their lack of professional experience, obviously hired the wrong people which not only led to money wasted on scrapped designs/concepts but a result that still shows a lack of polish and certainly does not reflect the need for even MORE money.

The way productions save money and efficiently budget themselves are by hiring the right people. Since K&K, themselves, are the inappropriate and inexperienced producers in charge, everyone they have hired were obviously lacking as well. Trickle down effect.

Seriously though, they wasted so much money by shooting at Pinewood Studios. It's like they blew the money on the soundstage just to blog about it. Amateurs who rent a professional stage are still amateurs. I've personally worked with UK producers and know the day rates for Pinewood. Let's just say they could have rented out a warehouse for a week for that price. Pinewood runs about $2000-3000 for the day, with additional equipment and power charges. Just stupidity destroying budget.

As for the "new" Saiyan Armor, a professional and experienced costume designer would not have delivered such an obvious re-paint of previously existing moto-cross-esque equipment.

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Post by Insertclevername » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:51 pm

Yeah may post made me sound ignorant when it comes to costume budget managment, but I understand what your saying. Seriously, there needs to be some kind of quality control when it comes to Kickstarter projects.
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