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[Malik_DBNA]

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[TheGmGoken]

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[Malik_DBNA]

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[dbzfan7]

I don't even understand how Rigor survived the BBK after he reverted from SSJ5 as there would be over a 15x difference in their powers which is more than enough to incinerate him. The gap goes up as after losing SSJ5 he probably was completely drained.

[TheGmGoken]

but the user's base power level becomes equal to what it was as a True Super Saiyan 4. As such, assuming the form after having already obtained it grants it's wielder a 15 times increase.

What if Goku gets SSJ5 and in his base form(Because it's the same as his TSSJ4 form) uses x20Kaioken. Does that mean he's stronger than a SSJ5?

[dbzfan7]

but the user's base power level becomes equal to what it was as a True Super Saiyan 4. As such, assuming the form after having already obtained it grants it's wielder a 15 times increase.

What if Goku gets SSJ5 and in his base form(Because it's the same as his TSSJ4 form) uses x20Kaioken. Does that mean he's stronger than a SSJ5?

It means his body blows up.

[Malik_DBNA]

I don't even understand how Rigor survived the BBK after he reverted from SSJ5 as there would be over a 15x difference in their powers which is more than enough to incinerate him. The gap goes up as after losing SSJ5 he probably was completely drained.

well Gogeta tapped himself out and was starting to weaken, so that's one possibility. Rigor is also just a tough sonuvabiscuit.

[TheGmGoken]

but the user's base power level becomes equal to what it was as a True Super Saiyan 4. As such, assuming the form after having already obtained it grants it's wielder a 15 times increase.

What if Goku gets SSJ5 and in his base form(Because it's the same as his TSSJ4 form) uses x20Kaioken. Does that mean he's stronger than a SSJ5?

It means his body blows up.

Why?

[KentalSSJ6]

but the user's base power level becomes equal to what it was as a True Super Saiyan 4. As such, assuming the form after having already obtained it grants it's wielder a 15 times increase.

What if Goku gets SSJ5 and in his base form(Because it's the same as his TSSJ4 form) uses x20Kaioken. Does that mean he's stronger than a SSJ5?

It means his body blows up.

Yeah I always hated Kaio Ken. If you fail to defeat or kill your enemy with it, you essentially signed your death warrent. The risk is far greater than the reward.

[dbzfan7]

I don't even understand how Rigor survived the BBK after he reverted from SSJ5 as there would be over a 15x difference in their powers which is more than enough to incinerate him. The gap goes up as after losing SSJ5 he probably was completely drained.

well Gogeta tapped himself out and was starting to weaken, so that's one possibility. Rigor is also just a tough sonuvabiscuit.

He would have to have been severely weaker as most commonly a 2x gap can be enough to incinerate someone, 15x would be over kill. Gogeta held on against a full power Rigor for a while. A blast that does a decent job holding that off would incinerate someone 15x weaker (or more likely an even higher gap as Rigor was drained)

[Malik_DBNA]

He's just a tough s.o.b.

[dbzfan7]

He's just a tough s.o.b.

I think the true term is plot shielding. Goku has even had that.

[Malik_DBNA]

He's just a tough s.o.b.

I think the true term is plot shielding. Goku has even had that.

I think the end of the Rigor/ Gogeta fight was a two-way street of plot armor. Gogeta was beaten, and survives SOLELY based on the luck of Rigor's body giving out to the SSJ5 form, and Rigor in turn survives a Big Bang Kamehameha to the face.

[dbzfan7]

He's just a tough s.o.b.

I think the true term is plot shielding. Goku has even had that.

I think the end of the Rigor/ Gogeta fight was a two-way street of plot armor. Gogeta was beaten, and survives SOLELY based on the luck of Rigor's body giving out to the SSJ5 form, and Rigor in turn survives a Big Bang Kamehameha to the face.

Plot shielding doesn't ruin the entire experience, it just causes suspension of belief. And I agree it was definitely two way.

But nothing to worry about. I rarely like Saiyans as the main bad guys. I didn't really like Raditz or Vegeta as bad guys while everyone loves the Saiyan Saga.

[Malik_DBNA]

Plot shielding doesn't ruin the entire experience, it just causes suspension of belief. And I agree it was definitely two way.

But nothing to worry about. I rarely like Saiyans as the main bad guys. I didn't really like Raditz or Vegeta as bad guys while everyone loves the Saiyan Saga.

Some of the people I talk to hardly even consider Rigor a true 'villain' since his backstory was made. They see him more like a victim of circumstance, whose upbringing is to blame for how he is. He's not inherently evil, he just does bad things with less remorse than you or I would.

[dbzfan7]

Plot shielding doesn't ruin the entire experience, it just causes suspension of belief. And I agree it was definitely two way.

But nothing to worry about. I rarely like Saiyans as the main bad guys. I didn't really like Raditz or Vegeta as bad guys while everyone loves the Saiyan Saga.

Some of the people I talk to hardly even consider Rigor a true 'villain' since his backstory was made. They see him more like a victim of circumstance, whose upbringing is to blame for how he is. He's not inherently evil, he just does bad things with less remorse than you or I would.

Of course he is a villain. He is kinda like Dr. Raichi. He will take things to the extreme to get what he wants. Like Dr. Raichi, Rigor doesn't care if he kills everyone on earth just to kill Vegeta

[hulkty]

I'd like to know a real answer to that Kaio-ken question as well...
He could use Kaio-kenx20 during the Frieza Saga before having SSj1, so by now shouldn't he be able to handle way past that?...

[KentalSSJ6]

I'd like to know a real answer to that Kaio-ken question as well...
He could use Kaio-kenx20 during the Freeza Saga before having SSj1, so by now shouldn't he be able to handle way past that?...

Kaioken lost its use when Super Saiyan arrived. It gave a boost twice that of what Goku went on Namek without the afteraffects that Kaioken brought. Seeing how DBNA takes place after GT and Goku now has access to Ascended SSJ4, Kaioken at this point would be pointless.

[Malik_DBNA]

Kental hits the nail on the head. The higher the degree of Kaio-ken, the more damage it does to the body. Goku can already, through ascended ssj4, boost his base power level by 8,000 times his full strength with no known detrimental effect. Amplifying his SSJ4 power by using Kaio-Ken in that form would probably be no more than a last resort, if he ever used it at all. Its basically been trumped by Super Saiyan completely

[omegalucas]

Kental hits the nail on the head. The higher the degree of Kaio-ken, the more damage it does to the body. Goku can already, through ascended ssj4, boost his base power level by 8,000 times his full strength with no known detrimental effect. Amplifying his SSJ4 power by using Kaio-Ken in that form would probably be no more than a last resort, if he ever used it at all. Its basically been trumped by Super Saiyan completely

Actually, this came from a previous question that asked IF Goku got Super Saiyan 5 (and that would make True Super Saiyan 4's power his normal form's), couldn't he use a Kaioken x20 for a bigger boost than Super Saiyan 5 (that is 14 times if I'm correct?)?