Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't know how I feel about my own right now. I designed it as a Super transformation in the same vein as Coola's, and based off the symbols Freeza's remnants wear in DBO, The Revival of「Ｆ」design will probably be a whole different monster though. If it ends up actually being god related and not just something he has in conjunction with said god powers or whatever, I'd probably do something entirely different. Most likely try to retain the sleek look of his true form, similar to Beerus and God Goku.

[EmmaWinters]

The Revival of「Ｆ」design will probably be a whole different monster though

I agree, I don't think any of these fan works have come close to what we'll see.

[KentalSSJ6]

I don't know how I feel about my own right now. I designed it as a Super transformation in the same vein as Coola's, and based off the symbols Freeza's remnants wear in DBO, The Revival of「Ｆ」design will probably be a whole different monster though. If it ends up actually being god related and not just something he has in conjunction with said god powers or whatever, I'd probably do something entirely different. Most likely try to retain the sleek look of his true form, similar to Beerus and God Goku.

Well, if that comes to pass, no sense in tossing out a good design. Give it to a OC.

[WittyUsername]

I'm curious about something, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan in this movie because he managed to maintain his God ki, wouldn't that mean that by the time he fights Uub, he will already be a God? I don't see why he would think Uub would be a credible challenge for him in that case.

[Zelvin]

I'm curious about something, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan in this movie because he managed to maintain his God ki, wouldn't that mean that by the time he fights Uub, he will already be a God? I don't see why he would think Uub would be a credible challenge for him in that case.

That's not what happened. When Goku lost his God form during the fight, Birus only states that Goku did not immediately lose all the power that form granted him. I means he downgraded, but it wasn't like if he'd gone from SSJ back to Base (which is a 50x increase). It would be as if he lost a chunk of that power when the form ended, then the rest gradually diminished throughout the remainder of the battle. So he never retained the Godly ki, it leaked out of him and it appeared as if the Planet Earth itself bolstered him in that final moment to stop Birus' death sphere.

[WittyUsername]

I'm curious about something, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan in this movie because he managed to maintain his God ki, wouldn't that mean that by the time he fights Uub, he will already be a God? I don't see why he would think Uub would be a credible challenge for him in that case.

That's not what happened. When Goku lost his God form during the fight, Birus only states that Goku did not immediately lose all the power that form granted him. I means he downgraded, but it wasn't like if he'd gone from SSJ back to Base (which is a 50x increase). It would be as if he lost a chunk of that power when the form ended, then the rest gradually diminished throughout the remainder of the battle. So he never retained the Godly ki, it leaked out of him and it appeared as if the Planet Earth itself bolstered him in that final moment to stop Birus' death sphere.

I suppose, but Goku allegedly won't be turning Super Saiyan at all in this film, which suggests that he will receive some sort of power up, rendering the form obsolete.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That's not what happened. When Goku lost his God form during the fight, Birus only states that Goku did not immediately lose all the power that form granted him. I means he downgraded, but it wasn't like if he'd gone from SSJ back to Base (which is a 50x increase). It would be as if he lost a chunk of that power when the form ended, then the rest gradually diminished throughout the remainder of the battle. So he never retained the Godly ki, it leaked out of him and it appeared as if the Planet Earth itself bolstered him in that final moment to stop Birus' death sphere.

Not exactly. You've got a bit of misinterpretation on your hands. Toriyama has outright confirmed that Goku has absorbed the God power, and the same is basically said in the film itself when Beerus mentions that Goku has absorbed that "world", "realm" or whatever the line was.

[EmmaWinters]

I'm curious about something, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan in this movie because he managed to maintain his God ki...

That's not what happened. ... he never retained the Godly ki, it leaked out of him.

Didn't Toriyama say otherwise?

Will Goku be able to transform into [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God.

[KentalSSJ6]

I'm curious about something, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan in this movie because he managed to maintain his God ki, wouldn't that mean that by the time he fights Uub, he will already be a God? I don't see why he would think Uub would be a credible challenge for him in that case.

That's not what happened. When Goku lost his God form during the fight, Birus only states that Goku did not immediately lose all the power that form granted him. I means he downgraded, but it wasn't like if he'd gone from SSJ back to Base (which is a 50x increase). It would be as if he lost a chunk of that power when the form ended, then the rest gradually diminished throughout the remainder of the battle. So he never retained the Godly ki, it leaked out of him and it appeared as if the Planet Earth itself bolstered him in that final moment to stop Birus' death sphere.

To sum up what others have said, Goku looking like this -



Was most likely a one time deal.

[Low Tone G]

I'm curious about something, if Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan in this movie because he managed to maintain his God ki, wouldn't that mean that by the time he fights Uub, he will already be a God? I don't see why he would think Uub would be a credible challenge for him in that case.

That's not what happened. When Goku lost his God form during the fight, Birus only states that Goku did not immediately lose all the power that form granted him. I means he downgraded, but it wasn't like if he'd gone from SSJ back to Base (which is a 50x increase). It would be as if he lost a chunk of that power when the form ended, then the rest gradually diminished throughout the remainder of the battle. So he never retained the Godly ki, it leaked out of him and it appeared as if the Planet Earth itself bolstered him in that final moment to stop Birus' death sphere.

Like the previous comment mentioned Goku doesn't even need to go Super Saiyan God, which leads me into believing that Goku absorbed the whole realm, nature of Godhood and maintained in his base, SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3 forms, but he decides to use only base, because that will allow him to fight with maximum efficiency. Toriyama's intention was that Goku's nature to be not being changed, even if he no longer has the appearance of a God. And 'till the meeting with Uub there is still 2 years at least, so Goku can loose the power, but it apparently still has it in this movie in the base form. So maybe Freeza will be the one to steal it from him, and makes his own. We already saw Goku beaten, and Freeza to a have a further evolution. It makes imagine that Goku will fight Frieza and takes the whole issue too easy and will let Sorbet and Tagoma to make up someting to steal his Godhood in favor of their master, Freeza. So Frieza will gain upper hand, will beat Goku like we see him on the spoiler picture, and will absorb his whole God energy, will say the words about his furher evoultion, transforms, and that will let Vegeta to become a God himself this time. Maybe he will able to steal Vegeta God energy as well, and let Beerus and Whis to make up something. I would be fine if the inability to stop Freeza with brute force will lead up into sealing him in another universe, to have the opportunity to uncover the Twelverse finally.

[nicolas_3d]

Krillin will be a police officer in this movie!
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... led/.82637

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Krillin will be a police officer in this movie!

Yeah, we all know that already dude.

[Chuquita]

I'm still holding out hope for ssjg Gokû, at least until one of the Jumps comes out and says yes or no.
That magenta lighting and lightning on the poster/site.

I have steeled myself for any disappointment though.

[VegettoEX]

Yeah, we all know that already dude.

I'm sure you could have found a better way to phrase that.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Yeah, we all know that already dude.

I'm sure you could have found a better way to phrase that.

I meant no disrespect. The news is four days old, but that's no excuse, my bad.

[lord turbo]

The level of griping really is getting over the top though, for a movie that again, isn't even out yet to fully judge. Especially in concern to Gohan, nothing was ever, ever officially stated that he couldn't still transform into a SS, or that the 'Ultimate' power up couldn't fade away due to his lack of initiative in training. Heck, honestly I'd kind of prefer the latter - what's the point of leaving the 'greatest power omg' to the guy who has repeatedly gone 'you know, I don't really think I like fighting after all'?

To be honest, I always thought it was obvious to me that he couldn't turn SSJ anymore because of the Ulimate process. People act like everything needs to be spelled out, read between the lines. Elder Kai told Gohan to activate his Ultimate state like how he would as a SSJ. Gohan tries to turn SSJ and instead becomes Ultimate. Earlier when Gohan got pissed his hair and eyes outline took on the shape of his SSJ state, in fact his eyes even turn SSJ (more evident in the anime), the only thing missing was the yellow hair and aura. Gohan was essentially in some inbetween state at that point, half Ultimate, half SSJ. Basically, the Ultimate state was gradually replacing the SSJ state which explain that inbetween SSJ/base state Gohan had going on.

Gohan activates Ultimate by turning SSJ, by all means he shouldn't be able to turn SSJ period, but at this point I don't really care anymore since Toriyama obviously doesn't care and does what he wants so whatever. At this rate, I would have preferred had he remained SSJ in BoG as he originally was instead of being recolored to his Ulimate state since he turned SSJ anyway at the end of the movie thus defeating the purpose of recoloring him Ultimate to begin with. They could very well do the exact same thing here in RoF and recolor SSJ Gohan into his ultimate state. People wouldn't mind this if Toriyama ever bothered to explain why he's SSJ in the story's proper, but he just ignores it like he ignored Goku using Kaioken after he attained SSJ. One line of dialogue is all that's needed Toriyama, jeez.

[EmmaWinters]

To be honest, I always thought it was obvious to me that he couldn't turn SSJ anymore because of the Ulimate process. ... Elder Kai told Gohan to activate his Ultimate state like how he would as a SSJ. Gohan tries to turn SSJ and instead becomes Ultimate. ... Gohan activates Ultimate by turning SSJ, by all means he shouldn't be able to turn SSJ period, but at this point I don't really care anymore since Toriyama obviously doesn't care

While the Viz manga translates it that way, the original line is a little different.

Gohan
H-how do I become this mightiest of warriors!?
ど どうやったらその最強の戦士になれるんですか！

Elder Kaiōshin
Well, you transform into that Super whatever-you-call-it often enough.
That's the gist of it; just throw in a kiai.
なあにおまえよくスーパーなんどかに変身するじゃら
あの要領じゃ気合いをこめればええ

Gohan
The gist of Super Saiyan, then...
U-Understood!
超サイヤ人の要領ですね⋯
わ　わかりました

All that Elder Kaiōshin did was take Gohan's latent ability (潜在能力, senzai nōryoku) and drew it out past his normal limitations. That doesn't mean he can never go Super Saiyan again, he just doesn't benefit from it at all.

[Zelvin]

Not exactly. You've got a bit of misinterpretation on your hands. Toriyama has outright confirmed that Goku has absorbed the God power, and the same is basically said in the film itself when Beerus mentions that Goku has absorbed that "world", "realm" or whatever the line was.

It just means he no longer requires the whole group ritual to activate SSG. Toriyama's not one to throw away something he worked so hard to make and fought with his fellow animators over how SSG would look, just to get rid of it in the next film. The only confirmation we have about "Fukkatsu no F" is that Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan. It said nothing about his God form. The form itself has a time limit, like the Potara Fusion, so it's not something that's sustainable.

As of yet there's no explanation for Freeza's sudden power boost. For him to have increased so much as to overwhelm Goku would suggest that Goku doesn't really retain the boon he had after his God form disabled while fighting Birus. Otherwise Freeza would be a cake walk for, well, most everyone now and would end kinda like how the DMB mini-comic indicated- http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... tml#h_read

[lord turbo]

FatNagger69, you are debating pointless semantics. Elder Kaioshin is basically saying turn SSJ to activate his Ultimate state which he does. Plus you ignored my other bit that further goes into depth with what you quoted.

[EmmaWinters]

Toriyama's not one to throw away something he worked so hard to make and fought with his fellow animators over how SSG would look, just to get rid of it in the next film.

He threw out 19, 20, 17 and 18 until he came up with Cell. Even then, he threw out Cell's second form because nobody liked it. He's been ditching things his entire career.

The only confirmation we have about "Fukkatsu no F" is that Goku doesn't go Super Saiyan. It said nothing about his God form.

This is true. Goku's God form still may appear. I hope it doesn't, though. Vegeta will probably be the one to get it this time.

The form itself has a time limit, like the Potara Fusion, so it's not something that's sustainable.

Was this ever stated? I can't remember this being said. Are you basing this off of the scene where he loses the form?

FatNagger69, you are debating pointless semantics.

No I'm not, "the gist of becoming a Super Saiyan" and "just become a Super Saiyan" are completely different.