Unpopular DB opinions

[The gr]

God Ki should've never been a thing and I hope going into EOZ, Goku and Vegeta lose it permanently

Seconded goku and Vegeta should also lose ssgss

[ekrolo2]

Trunks' spirit sword thing is worse than the Final Getsuga Tensho, at least that is half-assedly tied to Ichigo's established powers, Trunks' random ass power has no basis in ANYTHING he knows from before.

Trunks's power up (SSR was it?) needs an explanation, but I think the sword makes perfect sense. The Spirit Bomb is basically ki, the blade is a Ki Blade, so Trunks just added the spirit bomb's ki into the blade, thus enhancing it.

The Spirit Bomb uses a specific portion of ki you need special training to use, that's why you don't see everyone randomly getting power by calling up the sun, trees, animals and people around him. Trunks has no training to speak of in this form like King Kai and Goku do so the very idea of him being able to pull this out is the equivalent of Naruto fighting Pain and suddenly using Sage Mode with no training beforehand.

[Dbzfan94]

Trunks' spirit sword thing is worse than the Final Getsuga Tensho, at least that is half-assedly tied to Ichigo's established powers, Trunks' random ass power has no basis in ANYTHING he knows from before.

Trunks's power up (SSR was it?) needs an explanation, but I think the sword makes perfect sense. The Spirit Bomb is basically ki, the blade is a Ki Blade, so Trunks just added the spirit bomb's ki into the blade, thus enhancing it.

The Spirit Bomb uses a specific portion of ki you need special training to use, that's why you don't see everyone randomly getting power by calling up the sun, trees, animals and people around him. Trunks has no training to speak of in this form like King Kai and Goku do so the very idea of him being able to pull this out is the equivalent of Naruto fighting Pain and suddenly using Sage Mode with no training beforehand.

Exactly, the idea imho is okay but the execution is so terrible it kinda ruined the arc for me

[Freeza9000]

What's Ningen?

He sounds kind of like Lucifer on Supernatural.

Just my petty curiosity, but are you watching Dragon Ball Super?

[Danfun64]

ABED, if you're really being serious about "what's ningen?"...

Ningen is a word that depending on the translator comes out as either "human" or "mortal".
[spoiler]It's what Zamasu refers to for beings below the gods in the hierarchy, and his strong dislike of such "lesser beings" is one of the main things that drive the story of the Future Trunks arc.[/spoiler]
I'm sure I could have typed that more elequantly had it not been 3 am at the time of this writing lol.

[ABED]

What's Ningen?

He sounds kind of like Lucifer on Supernatural.

Just my petty curiosity, but are you watching Dragon Ball Super?

No problem, I'm just waiting for the home video release.

[Nejishiki]

ABED, if you're really being serious about "what's ningen?"...

Ningen is a word that depending on the translator comes out as either "human" or "mortal".
[spoiler]It's what Zamasu refers to for beings below the gods in the hierarchy, and his strong dislike of such "lesser beings" is one of the main things that drive the story of the Future Trunks arc.[/spoiler]
I'm sure I could have typed that more elequantly had it not been 3 am at the time of this writing lol.

Well, it quite literally means "human" altogether. Yes, context can lead to it being translated as "mortal". However, as far as 1:1 accuracy goes, it only means "human". I feel the need to point this out because some individuals (not necessarily you, of course) have warped the idea that "human" is incorrect thanks to how Dragon Ball's translation applies it. And it's uniquely Dragon Ball's "problem", if you can call it that. Toriyama established it in such a way that's not common to normal, everyday native speech, adding towards the confusion. But if you're living strictly in Dragon World, its presence was featured in the original story all along. It just so happens we had an arc where the audience was forced to pay attention to this oddity directly. It's something that needs to be accepted as part of Dragon World's weird "science".

[Gog]

This is a really unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need to say it.

Dragon ball super is better than Dragon ball Multiverse.

Their I said it

[Jinzoningen MULE]

This is a really unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need to say it.

Dragon ball super is better than Dragon ball Multiverse.

Their I said it

They're too different for me to judge, but an official product obviously has more credibility than someone's part time fan work. Since there's a decent chance that DBM will never be finished, Super will probably end up being better. Also, DBM (self-admittedly, btw) only exists as a pet fanservice project, not anything meant to be taken seriously.

[Gog]

This is a really unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need to say it.

Dragon ball super is better than Dragon ball Multiverse.

Their I said it

They're too different for me to judge, but an official product obviously has more credibility than someone's part time fan work. Since there's a decent chance that DBM will never be finished, Super will probably end up being better. Also, DBM (self-admittedly, btw) only exists as a pet fanservice project, not anything meant to be taken seriously.

Yeah but I'm judging them as a story, and dragon ball super just works more, than dragon ball multiverse. Granted i'll wait for a page to be uploaded, but the product is just inferior to dragon ball super

[Lord Frieza]

This is a really unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need to say it.

Dragon ball super is better than Dragon ball Multiverse.

Their I said it

Oh thank Kami, I'm not alone.

I found Super to be far more enjoyable myself, Beerus and Whis alone top the likes brooding Gast and insufferable Bra. The story has being going for years and yet we have still not got anywhere aside from two moments with the main threat, just years and years of endless fan-fiction fights inter-cut with pointless re-writes of the main dragon ball story to justify/force the movies villains into the main narrative. Dear kami, people complain about about supers pacing but at least the plot moves, imagine if something like the U6 arc lasted years! Vegito and Bra are completely unlikable yet get center stage more then the main caste. As a Frieza fan, I find the authors insistence on trolling him, his family and his fan-base really boring now and I'll always take Golden Frieza over whatever abomination King Cold resonantly turned into. Infact that form justified Toriyama's less is more approach to Super's new forms for me. Decrying and Trolling both GT and Super while still having the front to put a Golden Oozaru in their story and then clame it was "their own idea". Its toxic fan base. I could go on.

But I think the biggest problem is the writing style. It is almost anti-Toriyama. Now dont get me wrong, they do some pretty good gags here and the but the entire thing takes itself waaaay to seriously. The reason I enjoy Super is, while not perfect, it captures the entire spirit of dragon ball both in its gag and serious tones and it conforms to Toriyama's "writing by the set of your pants" style", you never know whats comeing and thats something I have always loved about dragon ball for better or for worse. DBM on the other hand is micro-managed and plotted out, every little detail feels suffocatingly manipulated. Worse when things don't add up, the authors make a mistakes or they get criticized for bad writing (character or plot wise) rather then just saying "woops my bad" they will try and justify them with no room for error on their part.

Is DBM enjoyable? Yes but is lacks the true spark that makes dragon ball dragon ball, something I will even go so far to say even GT had. It will never be a true canonical continuation of Dragon Ball. That title belongs to Super or GT if your that way inclined.

[Anime Kitten]

*snip*

Couldn't have said it better myself. I mean, I like Multiverse to a degree (U16 Bra and Vegetto are actually my favorites; another unpopular opinion itself), and I understand what the writers are trying to do with it, but it just doesn't stand out to me as much as Super does. The fact that they (mostly logically) explain how the movie characters are in, but won't bother fitting Super or GT in really irks me.

[Cetra]

*snip*

Couldn't have said it better myself. I mean, I like Multiverse to a degree (U16 Bra and Vegetto are actually my favorites; another unpopular opinion itself), and I understand what the writers are trying to do with it, but it just doesn't stand out to me as much as Super does. The fact that they (mostly logically) explain how the movie characters are in, but won't bother fitting Super or GT in really irks me.

Its only redeeming quality is its art style. A fan product that is so disrespectful against official parts of the franchise and the high probability of one big DBM fan commenting after this post is a perfect representation of the archetypical problem that is going on in this fanbase.

[Gog]

This is a really unpopular opinion, but I do feel like I need to say it.

Dragon ball super is better than Dragon ball Multiverse.

Their I said it

Oh thank Kami, I'm not alone.

I found Super to be far more enjoyable myself, Beerus and Whis alone top the likes brooding Gast and insufferable Bra. The story has being going for years and yet we have still not got anywhere aside from two moments with the main threat, just years and years of endless fan-fiction fights inter-cut with pointless re-writes of the main dragon ball story to justify/force the movies villains into the main narrative. Dear kami, people complain about about supers pacing but at least the plot moves, imagine if something like the U6 arc lasted years! Vegito and Bra are completely unlikable yet get center stage more then the main caste. As a Frieza fan, I find the authors insistence on trolling him, his family and his fan-base really boring now and I'll always take Golden Frieza over whatever abomination King Cold resonantly turned into. Infact that form justified Toriyama's less is more approach to Super's new forms for me. Decrying and Trolling both GT and Super while still having the front to put a Golden Oozaru in their story and then clame it was "their own idea". Its toxic fan base. I could go on.

But I think the biggest problem is the writing style. It is almost anti-Toriyama. Now dont get me wrong, they do some pretty good gags here and the but the entire thing takes itself waaaay to seriously. The reason I enjoy Super is, while not perfect, it captures the entire spirit of dragon ball both in its gag and serious tones and it conforms to Toriyama's "writing by the set of your pants" style", you never know whats comeing and thats something I have always loved about dragon ball for better or for worse. DBM on the other hand is micro-managed and plotted out, every little detail feels suffocatingly manipulated. Worse when things don't add up, the authors make a mistakes or they get criticized for bad writing (character or plot wise) rather then just saying "woops my bad" they will try and justify them with no room for error on their part.

Is DBM enjoyable? Yes but is lacks the true spark that makes dragon ball dragon ball, something I will even go so far to say even GT had. It will never be a true canonical continuation of Dragon Ball. That title belongs to Super or GT if your that way inclined.

Yeah, I really don't under stand the fan base when they go on and on saying how dragon ball multiverse is superior to dragon ball super, one poster even compared Black Goku to bra, which is insulting to say the least, and what they critise dragon ball super of, dragon ball multiverse, is ten times more guiliter of that.

But I want to add to that list of yours

Too many of the Slagir's Oc's are flat out bland characters, that includes Gast, the heoites as of whole, the Varga's, Ginyu (that wasn't Ginyu just some 'villein' with the same power masquerading as him, and the pathetic joke known as I'K'L wait a minute I forgot about the main 'villen' of dragon ball multiverse XXI who is a walking plot force rather than a character, and pales to Black goku, and Zamasu.
In fact fact all of Slagir's OC characters just pale in comparison to dragon ball super's characters, Black Goku, and Zamasu are better villeins then all of the ones in dragon ball multiverse. Frost, Cabba, Hit, Tagoma, and Magnetta are not only more interesting characters, but better competitors than all of the 19 universes with the two exceptions of zen buu and Dr Raichi.

The transformations, I'm going to be real dragon ball multiverse only offers us two truely new forms compared to the over abundence of forms in dragon ball super, but technically only one of those forms is truly unique as the other one showed up in Dragon ball gt.

So lets talk about the only unique form dragon ball multiverse has, which Slagir himself designed, and fuck is it hideous, Fuck is it hideous, why the fuck is it so big and spiky, why the fuck does it have four arms. Why the fuck is this form an ass-pull on the level of super Saiyan three. So the sixth form is the only form that dragon ball multiverse offers us, and everyone one and their mother prefers the golden form over it. This form is so over the top, and so over the designed that it just looks plain ugly compared to the sleek, and powerful look of the golden form. Which isn't a pallet swap mind you.

The universes themselves just collapse when you put a modicum of thought behind them, seriously four out of twenty of these universes just completely break down, and suffer from Android arc-itis. I'm not even sure how Slagir made these universes, he proably wanted something like evil sayians cool, evil kakarot cool.

But he can't get these, and i'll explain why. Universe three's divergence point completely breaks down when you realize that Freeza had to handed a gentic idiot ball, the size of a mountain, for the Saiyan rebellion to be an actual successes, Slagir also made Goku a special fuking, by making Bardock stronger than King Vegeta, and his mother the strongest Saiyan alive, thus ruining the message of dragon ball. Universe one is full of psychopathic murderous baby killing kaioshin so I actually fucking despise this universe, and would like to see Zen buu beat the life out of all of them.

Universe 6 and 7 just cannot exist as they are, they just cannot, the warriors have a second chance with Baba, the warriors can go, and wish Gohan back with the namekian dragon balls, and Gohan can just rolf stomp Cell and Bojack with super Saiyan two. Universe 14 can't exist in the state that it is, Kakarotto being evil would mean that he would get killed of by master roshi or piccolo, Raditz would come to earth and kill everyone, and everything would proceed as normal, i fucking can't with these universes.

The ass pulls, there may not truly be a lot of ass pulls, but when they show up. they somehow become worse then all of super's, z's, and dragon balls combine, with the worst offender being sensu extravaganza, which I will bring up when I get to a certain character.

The shitting on universe 8, and the arcosians. You know I really cannot comprehend the joy Slagir takes in shitting all over this race, by making Freeza, Coola, and King cold the last of their kind, to making them asexual (WHEN THERE CLEARLY FUCKING NOT, DID YOU GO TO BIOLOGY CLASS SON?), to making there whole entire race having never trained, thus confirming that the arcosians in his canon, all have genetic idiot balls surgically grafted into all of them. Then he has proceeded to make the last two of them (Cold is dead, and replaced with Ginyu) complete jokes, who are the source of every joke.

Universe 16 favoritism, this has gone on for so long that I've actually seen a lot of people admit that universe 16 is getting to much attention, and that its the most boring of the universes, which isn't untrue, in on itself.

Most of the universes are dull in on itself, nothing to add besides the fact that the universes aren't all that unique, and that the universe six arc, gave the fighters more unique powers and ability s.

Bra, I am convinced that Bra's fans don't actually like Bra, because that is an impossible feat in on itself, but rather her amazing potential, that was flushed down the drain, with slagirs inept writing of anyone in universe 16. Bra is a character that is so poorly written that she's basically a jerk sue at this point, I'll explain later, but first I'll need to explain why people started to dislike her, which was something building up for years,and years.

At the start Bra wasn't all too bad, she showed that she respected Vegito for his power.
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-217.html[/spoiler]

But that's the main problem with Bra, Slagir has been killing off all her likeable traits. He also showed off the fact that she is a psychopath
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-363.html[/spoiler]

and that a single insult is capable of making her completely losing control, and killing her opponent in a situation where she had to stay in control, I'll get to that later
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... tml#h_read[/spoiler]
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... tml#h_read[/spoiler]



She's also a condescending brat, who even when doing the right thing, makes you want to punt her teeth out
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-881.html[/spoiler]

That is the main problem with her character, Slagir as been killing of all her good personality traits, over the year gradually making her more unlikable, and unlikable, until basically everyone disliked her.

She also has no consequences for her actions, this is another reason why nearly everyone hates her character.

When Buu is in space and about to adsorb Broly Bra transforms, and nearly kills her brother, and father, thus messing up. Buu later reveals that he was just messing around. Vegito reveals his opinion on this of course.
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-364.html[/spoiler]

I'm only going to refrence that one thing because, I originally lost the first list, and I can't bring myself to type that up all again. But I will say it again, people dislike Bra because their isn't any consequences for her actions

Thats why everyone was so excited for this page, Bra was making a mistake, Cold had something up his sleeve which would enable him to defeat her, she was going to get her humbling moment
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1166.html[/spoiler]


[spoiler][/spoiler]
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1169.html[/spoiler]
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... tml#h_read[/spoiler]
Well the form may be disgusting looking, and a complete ass pull that Slagir thought on the spot, to justify king cold being able to go toe, to toe with her base form, but whatever. Whats more important here is the fear on her face, she messed up, she wasn't expecting this, she's going to face the consequences of her actions.

She's shocked at his power
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1200.html[/spoiler]

The fights getting serious, and she's exhausted, and he's not!!!
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1202.html[/spoiler]

ok, I'm going to be real the next few pages are just boring filler, with Cold acting like a retard and standing there just deflecting balls instead of running towards her, and moving, and fighting back.

Cold lands a single combo, and Bra is out for the count
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1212.html[/spoiler]
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1213.html[/spoiler]

Why would you do that why would you waste such a good moment of character building. Why?
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1216.html[/spoiler]

and as Bra slices through King Cold you realise something this was never meant to be a humbling moment for Bra, this is just to show that Bra can make mistakes and get through them. Slagir also has just completely destroyed her character as well. Thus removing the fact that she's Honorable, and adding on the fact that she's a lucky idiot, willing to bargain the life of a universe.
[spoiler]http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1223.html[/spoiler]

She has all the qualites of a jerk sue

She is a Karma houdini
The king Cold fight and the Ginyu sub plot basically cemented this fact in when it was revealed that she is incredibly skilled, to the point where the main characters are awed, at her level of skill, she carries around some sensu beans in her clothes, so that whenever she's in trouble she can just pop one, two, three billion in her mouth. And when Ginyu was revealed his reveal amounted to nothing, and Bra got off scout free.

She has clear moments of favoritism
Slagir is baffled on why people don't like her, and even going as far to compare her to Vegeta, completly and hilariously missing the point of Vegeta's character. She and Vegito have the most plot relevance.

She reduces the canonical main characters to slack jawed cheer leaders.
No seriously she has multiple moments of doing this

She has more in commen with the parody mary sue, and is more of an actual mary sue, which is in my opinon beutiful irony

[Kanassa]

Thank you, Gog. Whether I agree with you on specific points or not... I love a nice juicy rant in the morning.

Also, on that 'painting the Cold family and their race as lazy idiots', Frieza and Cold are the only ones I can see that making sense for. Cooler references the fact that he does train in his movie.

[Gog]

Thank you, Gog. Whether I agree with you on specific points or not... I love a nice juicy rant in the morning.

Also, on that 'painting the Cold family and their race as lazy idiots', Frieza and Cold are the only ones I can see that making sense for. Cooler references the fact that he does train in his movie.

No, Slagir has in fact confirmed that Coola trained himself mentally, and that he was as strong as Freeza in his true form.
Which means that android saga goku is four times stronger than he was on namek.

God that is really stupid

[Lunatic Fringe]

Nappa is the best villainous henchman of the entire series thus far.

[Freeza9000]

The Boo arc, despite all the hate, is still better than the Cell Saga in my eyes.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The Boo arc, despite all the hate, is still better than the Cell Saga in my eyes.

They're pretty close for me. I still consider the Boo Arc worse because of the blatant, jarring turn for the worse around the time Boo absorbs Gotenks. After that point, while it has its moments, it's all just such a mess. The Cell Arc, while it suffered a similar drop in quality near the end, is still maintained a clear direction.

[Cipher]

While the Boo arc is my favorite in the series, whiplash plot redirection and all, but I do feel certain moments are better presented in the anime. Toriyama is almost a little too brisk, and Toei was absolutely nailing it at the time.