Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Big Black Sayian » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:56 pm

You think Toriyama/Toei actually know how old Trunks and Goten are meant to be? :think:

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Post by emperior » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:18 pm

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Dragono wrote:I perfer the picture honestly. I'm honestly surprise someone has vain as Bulma would actually look like that.
Why not? Don't know how much is left between ToP and EoZ but I suppose is less than 5 years, so it doesn't make sense for Bulma to look younger when we know she will look old some time after.
She had one wrinkle and sometimes 2 at the end of the manga, it’s not like she became a grandma. Also her parents never changed, and I don’t think one can exclude that they have created cosmetic products which slow down aging or its signs, considering they invented fricking capsules, FTL spaceships and a time machine too in the future!
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Post by Noah » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:34 pm

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Noah wrote:Why not? Don't know how much is left between ToP and EoZ but I suppose is less than 5 years, so it doesn't make sense for Bulma to look younger when we know she will look old some time after.
She had one wrinkle and sometimes 2 at the end of the manga, it’s not like she became a grandma. Also her parents never changed, and I don’t think one can exclude that they have created cosmetic products which slow down aging or its signs, considering they invented fricking capsules, FTL spaceships and a time machine too in the future!
Goku said so and she got angry about meaning she knows about her old age. And yes we can use all these excuses about cosmetic products, but if this series has plans to go or past EoZ someday it has to have the characters to look like how they were in the final chapter
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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Cursemark505 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:36 pm

Dragono wrote:
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emperior wrote: Jeez dude the movie is taking place shortly after the Tournament and, I repeat, it was stated in Jaco how Saiyans stay in a child’s body for a long time. Honestly if you hate Super so much why don’t you just drop it completely?
Future Trunks aged normally and so did Gohan.
Define normally, because 11 year old gohan did NOT look like an 11 year old, he actually looked older than 13 year old trunks.

Besides who gives a damn about their age, they will never use the characters anyway.

I'm just surprise they are even in the movie
We never saw an 11 year old Gohan. 9 year old Gohan was around Kuririn's height.
Future trunks at age 13 or 14 definitely looked like a teenager & he was taller.

Almost everyone cares about their age. The longer they are treated like kids the longer they stay irrelevant. They're not far away from EoZ so it's honestly ridiculous how they haven't aged any of the characters even a little bit & expect us to believe the drastic change within the next few years.

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Post by emperior » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:47 pm

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emperior wrote:
Noah wrote:Why not? Don't know how much is left between ToP and EoZ but I suppose is less than 5 years, so it doesn't make sense for Bulma to look younger when we know she will look old some time after.
She had one wrinkle and sometimes 2 at the end of the manga, it’s not like she became a grandma. Also her parents never changed, and I don’t think one can exclude that they have created cosmetic products which slow down aging or its signs, considering they invented fricking capsules, FTL spaceships and a time machine too in the future!
Goku said so and she got angry about meaning she knows about her old age. And yes we can use all these excuses about cosmetic products, but if this series has plans to go or past EoZ someday it has to have the characters to look like how they were in the final chapter
They will surely have to do something about that, if they really do not want to keep Bulma’s wrinkles, but I repeat, she hasn’t aged that much by the end of the manga. Of course Goku pointed out how Bulma got older, but that’s classic Goku always saying what passes through his mind.
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Post by PFM18 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:05 pm

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Grimlock wrote:Goten and Trunks are still the same... See, they are not even trying anymore, why should I?
Jeez dude the movie is taking place shortly after the Tournament and, I repeat, it was stated in Jaco how Saiyans stay in a child’s body for a long time. Honestly if you hate Super so much why don’t you just drop it completely?
Future Trunks aged normally and so did Gohan.
Gohan was like 3 feet tall until we went into the chamber and came out a year later looking 5 years older. When Goku was 12 he was half the height of Gohan at 11

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Post by Dragono » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:08 pm

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Dragono wrote:
Cursemark505 wrote: Future Trunks aged normally and so did Gohan.
Define normally, because 11 year old gohan did NOT look like an 11 year old, he actually looked older than 13 year old trunks.

Besides who gives a damn about their age, they will never use the characters anyway.

I'm just surprise they are even in the movie
We never saw an 11 year old Gohan. 9 year old Gohan was around Kuririn's height.
Future trunks at age 13 or 14 definitely looked like a teenager & he was taller.

Almost everyone cares about their age. The longer they are treated like kids the longer they stay irrelevant. They're not far away from EoZ so it's honestly ridiculous how they haven't aged any of the characters even a little bit & expect us to believe the drastic change within the next few years.
Gohan was 11 when he fought cell, so you already messed up and if you really think that they will use them when they get older, you don't know dragon ball.


Heck, in EoZ, goten doesn't want to fight anymore.

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Post by sintzu » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:13 pm

Regarding Bulma's age and EOZ, chances are the designs will also be changed alongside some story elements to better fit what's going on so Bulma won't look as old as she did.
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Post by Dragono » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:20 pm

But I'm curious about something, bulma's wearing summer clothes but we see winter clothes in the anime. How many settings are we getting in this movie?

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Post by kudo6000 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:30 pm

Don’t particularly care for Goten and Trunks. Their participation in the film, if there is any, will probably wind up the same as it always has; being responsible for the reintroduction of Gotenks — the more subjectively appealing character. If there’s more to it than just that , cool... I guess(?) It’s difficult to stray away from feeling indifferent based on their prior, poor usage as characters. That being said, their seemingly never-changing growths in height doesn’t bother me.

In regards to Broly — ultimately, I prefer his simplistic, albeit charming, black-haired, yellow-eyed variant over the acclaimed, signature LSS form.

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Post by ZeroNeonix » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:32 pm

Oh, Kami damn it. Trunks and Goten still haven't aged up? I can understand in the anime, without a significant time skip, it would have been jarring seeing them finally age up, but seriously? This movie was their opportunity to make it happen. Now I'm thinking they're only refusing to let them age up just because they want to have characters who appeal to their younger demographic. If you think about it, the only reason Goten exists is because Gohan got older and they needed a new Goku-lookalike kid character to take his place. So it makes sense from that kind of corporate perspective, but come the heck on. This is getting ridiculous. Besides, don't they know people want to see an older Gotenks? We got that in Dragon Ball Heroes, so somebody there gets it.

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Post by ZeroNeonix » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:35 pm

kudo6000 wrote:Don’t particularly care for Goten and Trunks. Their participation in the film, if there is any, will probably wind up the same as it always has; being responsible for the reintroduction of Gotenks — the more subjectively appealing character. If there’s more to it than just that , cool... I guess(?) It’s difficult to stray away from feeling indifferent based on their prior, poor usage as characters. That being said, their seemingly never-changing growths in height doesn’t bother me.

In regards to Broly — ultimately, I prefer his simplistic, albeit charming, black-haired, yellow-eyed variant over the acclaimed, signature LSS form.
OMG. I think I just realized something. Goten and Trunks are probably there just to set up the reintroduction of Gogeta. They're going to fuse, demonstrating the technique (mostly for the part of the audience that doesn't know about the fusion dance, since they're trying to appeal to new people as well as old fans), then Goku is going to suggest fusing with Vegeta in the final act.

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Post by Dragono » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:57 pm

ZeroNeonix wrote:Oh, Kami damn it. Trunks and Goten still haven't aged up? I can understand in the anime, without a significant time skip, it would have been jarring seeing them finally age up, but seriously? This movie was their opportunity to make it happen. Now I'm thinking they're only refusing to let them age up just because they want to have characters who appeal to their younger demographic. If you think about it, the only reason Goten exists is because Gohan got older and they needed a new Goku-lookalike kid character to take his place. So it makes sense from that kind of corporate perspective, but come the heck on. This is getting ridiculous. Besides, don't they know people want to see an older Gotenks? We got that in Dragon Ball Heroes, so somebody there gets it.
Wait, people don't know that?

Thats the reason why they are still kids. To appeal to the core dempographic. Pan and bulla are too young and marron is not a fighter.

Remember, toriyama had to fight to age up goku.

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Post by Bullza » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:39 pm

Dragono wrote:You don't like goten and trunks?
Goten is alright when he's with Gohan. Otherwise they're just annoying brats.

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Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:08 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Cursemark505 wrote:Future Trunks aged normally and so did Gohan.
Yes they did, then why present Trunks doesn't age the same as future Trunks? They have the same biological features, he is the son of the same parents, so it does not make sense this huge difference.
Vegeta's dna is simply more dominate in present Trunks then it was in future Trunks.

Putting the exact same ingredients isn't going to make something come out exactly the same every time especially when you factory in one Trunks had blue hair.

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Post by bleed0range » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:09 pm

Dragono wrote:But I'm curious about something, bulma's wearing summer clothes but we see winter clothes in the anime. How many settings are we getting in this movie?
I’m sure the snow is in the arctic or on another planet.

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Post by Xeogran » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:14 pm

Bullza wrote:
Dragono wrote:You don't like goten and trunks?
Goten is alright when he's with Gohan. Otherwise they're just annoying brats.
You're right. It's starting to bother me too how negative Trunks' presence actually is towards Goten. The latter is a pure boy who wouldn't do half the bratty things he did without the first.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:15 pm

DestructoDisc wrote:I wonder, why did they decide to give Trunks new clothes but left Goten with the same clothes that he always wore in the series? Why didn't both of them get new clothes?
Because this series hates Goten :(

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:19 pm

Bullza wrote:
Dragono wrote:You don't like goten and trunks?
Goten is alright when he's with Gohan. Otherwise they're just annoying brats.

I somewhar agree. Goten and Trunks have a great dynamic and are pretty fun to watch. I’d love to see more of them as they get older since EOZ and GT didn’t show them together much.

However Goten being Trunks’ sidekick holds him back. I’d love to see him do some things on his own

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Post by Cursemark505 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:30 pm

Dragono wrote:
Cursemark505 wrote:
Dragono wrote: Define normally, because 11 year old gohan did NOT look like an 11 year old, he actually looked older than 13 year old trunks.

Besides who gives a damn about their age, they will never use the characters anyway.

I'm just surprise they are even in the movie
We never saw an 11 year old Gohan. 9 year old Gohan was around Kuririn's height.
Future trunks at age 13 or 14 definitely looked like a teenager & he was taller.

Almost everyone cares about their age. The longer they are treated like kids the longer they stay irrelevant. They're not far away from EoZ so it's honestly ridiculous how they haven't aged any of the characters even a little bit & expect us to believe the drastic change within the next few years.
Gohan was 11 when he fought cell, so you already messed up and if you really think that they will use them when they get older, you don't know dragon ball.


Heck, in EoZ, goten doesn't want to fight anymore.
1) Gohan was not 11. 7 years later it was stated he was 16 & he was a freshman in highschool. Read the manga and stop arguing with anime filler.

2) The excuses used to keep them out of the RoF arc, the U6 arc & the tournament of power were related to them being kids.

3) Goten isn't the first character to want to give up fighting. Roshi, Gohan, Kuririn etc all gave it up but they returned when it was necessary. Goten ended up agreeing to the tournament in the end so this point doesn't matter.

Them aging up doesn't guarantee relevance but it gives them a better chance since again, their age has been used against them in the series.
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