Unpopular DB opinions

[Jinzoningen MULE]

You mean King Cold in the second form?

Yes, although I'm hesitant to call it his second form. In Xenoverse, which has at least some input from Toriyama, the forms of Freeza's race don't work in the same way. In other words, it's possible that Freeza was a mutant within his own species. After all, he's the only one who ever explicitly mentioned using "suppression forms".

[kinisking]

You mean King Cold in the second form?

Yes, although I'm hesitant to call it his second form. In Xenoverse, which has at least some input from Toriyama, the forms of Freeza's race don't work in the same way. In other words, it's possible that Freeza was a mutant within his own species. After all, he's the only one who ever explicitly mentioned using "suppression forms".

King Cold was stated to be a mutant too IIRC.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

King Cold was stated to be a mutant too IIRC.

Even so, it makes more sense to assume that he didn't have the same transformations as Freeza. Otherwise, his scene with Trunks is a bit nonsensical.

[Anime Kitten]

While we're still loosely on Freeza's designs, I'll just quote what I wrote some time ago instead of attempting to rewrite it.

Golden Freeza is one of the best things this franchise has ever given us. The color palette consists of very nice shades of yellow, and it blends beautifully with the purple aura. Beyond that, the gold theme showed that Freeza finally overcame his fear of Super Saiyans, and went so far to even mock them about it.

[Gog]

You mean King Cold in the second form?

Yes, although I'm hesitant to call it his second form. In Xenoverse, which has at least some input from Toriyama, the forms of Freeza's race don't work in the same way. In other words, it's possible that Freeza was a mutant within his own species. After all, he's the only one who ever explicitly mentioned using "suppression forms".

Except, it is his second form, nothing has ever denied that fact. The only reason why the 'Freeza race' don't actually have any forms, is because the designers don't actually won't to code in four whole forms +. Nothing to do with toriyama.

EDIT: There is also the Theory that the forms may be augmentations, and that King Cold only ever managed to reach the second form. Makes a whole lot of sense, and basically explains that scene away, it also makes sense with Lord Chilled.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Except, it is his second form, nothing has ever denied that fact. The only reason why the 'Freeza race' don't actually have any forms, is because the designers don't actually won't to code in four whole forms

I mean, I can't say you're wrong, obviously I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. At the same time, I can be fairly sure that you have no idea either, since I can think of about 101 ways around that predicament.

There is also the Theory that the forms may be augmentations, and that King Cold only ever managed to reach the second form. Makes a whole lot of sense, and basically explains that scene away, it also makes sense with Lord Chilled.

That sure would make sense, but then we have to disregard that bit where Freeza literally explains that his forms are a suppression technique. I'm not willing to ignore an obvious answer with problems in favor of a sensible answer that contradicts with the explanation that the story actually gives us.

[Gog]

Except, it is his second form, nothing has ever denied that fact. The only reason why the 'Freeza race' don't actually have any forms, is because the designers don't actually won't to code in four whole forms

I mean, I can't say you're wrong, obviously I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. At the same time, I can be fairly sure that you have no idea either, since I can think of about 101 ways around that predicament.

There is also the Theory that the forms may be augmentations, and that King Cold only ever managed to reach the second form. Makes a whole lot of sense, and basically explains that scene away, it also makes sense with Lord Chilled.

That sure would make sense, but then we have to disregard that bit where Freeza literally explains that his forms are a suppression technique. I'm not willing to ignore an obvious answer with problems in favor of a sensible answer that contradicts with the explanation that the story actually gives us.

Your right, except for the fact that in the Freeza saga, it was explained to us that a Saiyan of pure heart, could only turn into a super Saiyan.

Cue next arc, and the scum bag Vegeta has just turned into a super Saiyan. What Freeza has said has been contradicted with king Cold and Lord Chilled, throwing what he stated into doubt

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Your right, except for the fact that in the Freeza saga, it was explained to us that a Saiyan of pure heart, could only turn into a super Saiyan.

Cue next arc, and the scum bag Vegeta has just turned into a super Saiyan.

Vegeta's heart was pure... pure evil! It's kind of bullshit, but it is an explanation and it's consistent.

What Freeza has said has been contradicted with king Cold and Lord Chilled

It hasn't been, though, that's the point. The only contradiction here is between the actual material and your head-canon. I should also probably bring up your massive non-sequitur between Super Saiyans and Freeza's race.

[Gog]

Vegeta's heart was pure... pure evil! It's kind of bullshit, but it is an explanation, and it's consistent.

No, its bullshit, and A complete and utter retcon of what was stated in the previous arc, its not consistent. I imagine that it was a completely and utterly last minute change in the script.

It hasn't been, though, that's the point. The only contradiction here is between the actual material and your head-canon. I should also probably bring up your massive non-sequitur between Super Saiyans and Freeza's race.

It has been though, why do you think I'm even bothering arguing then? Even though I despise Chilled with all my heart, for having the worst design ever produced by Akira Toriyama, he never once bothered to transform against Bardock, making no effort to do so, he never even once referenced it as well. As well with King Cold who was shown as cunning and intelligent. Never once bothered to transform into his third, and true form even when his life was on the line.

[Kanassa]

As well with King Cold who was shown as cunning and intelligent. Never once bothered to transform into his third, and true form even when his life was on the line.

Was it ever confirmed that King Cold was in his second form? Or are you just assuming because it looks similar to Frieza's second form that it's Cold's second form?

[Gog]

As well with King Cold who was shown as cunning and intelligent. Never once bothered to transform into his third, and true form even when his life was on the line.

Was it ever confirmed that King Cold was in his second form? Or are you just assuming because it looks similar to Frieza's second form that it's Cold's second form?

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They look nearly identical, i can't say that King Cold is in his third form, as Freeza's third form had an elongated head, and a more alien looking face, and a hunch, nearly forgot the hunch, he can't be in the first form, as the horns don't look like that, and he certainly can't be in the finial form, as he looks nothing alike, to every finial form we see in the series.

So he's in the second form

[Kanassa]

They look nearly identical, i can't say that King Cold is in his third form, as Freeza's third form had an elongated head, and a more alien looking face, and a hunch, nearly forgot the hunch, he can't be in the first form, as the horns don't look like that, and he certainly can't be in the finial form, as he looks nothing alike, to every finial form we see in the series.

So he's in the second form

So, you're just assuming then? Just because the only appearance we see of Cold looks similar to Frieza's second form, does not mean he's in his second form. It's plausible, but it's no where near concrete.

[Gog]

They look nearly identical, i can't say that King Cold is in his third form, as Freeza's third form had an elongated head, and a more alien looking face, and a hunch, nearly forgot the hunch, he can't be in the first form, as the horns don't look like that, and he certainly can't be in the finial form, as he looks nothing alike, to every finial form we see in the series.

So he's in the second form

So, you're just assuming then? Just because the only appearance we see of Cold looks similar to Frieza's second form, does not mean he's in his second form. It's plausible, but it's no where near concrete.

But its more plausible than the idea that he's in his 'true' form, its more concrete than the idea that the arcosians can mold their looks and that Cold just looks like that.

[Kanassa]

They look nearly identical, i can't say that King Cold is in his third form, as Freeza's third form had an elongated head, and a more alien looking face, and a hunch, nearly forgot the hunch, he can't be in the first form, as the horns don't look like that, and he certainly can't be in the finial form, as he looks nothing alike, to every finial form we see in the series.

So he's in the second form

So, you're just assuming then? Just because the only appearance we see of Cold looks similar to Frieza's second form, does not mean he's in his second form. It's plausible, but it's no where near concrete.

But its more plausible than the idea that he's in his 'true' form, its more concrete than the idea that the arcosians can mold their looks and that Cold just looks like that.

It's more plausible that it's his final form, it explains why he doesn't transform and doesn't contradict anything as far as I can see.

[Gog]

So, you're just assuming then? Just because the only appearance we see of Cold looks similar to Frieza's second form, does not mean he's in his second form. It's plausible, but it's no where near concrete.

But its more plausible than the idea that he's in his 'true' form, its more concrete than the idea that the arcosians can mold their looks and that Cold just looks like that.

It's more plausible that it's his final form, it explains why he doesn't transform and doesn't contradict anything as far as I can see.

Um that is what I just said, but okay?

[mabalia]

I didn't like that Gohan started to fight so young, he was just 5 years old, not even Goku started his adventures so young, he was already 12 or considering Minus possibly 14 years old. I'd prefer for the timeskip between DB and DBZ be at least 10 years, if I could change something in the manga that'd be it.

I know Gohan strenght was necessary in these battles but I'll always understand why Chichi was against Gohan's participation (I never forget a 5 years old Gohan with a broken neck, and that I watched this in anime made for kids and young teens).

[ABED]

I didn't like that Gohan started to fight so young, he was just 5 years old, not even Goku started his adventures so young, he was already 12 or considering Minus possibly 14 years old. I'd prefer for the timeskip between DB and DBZ be at least 10 years, if I could change something in the manga that'd be it.

I know Gohan strenght was necessary in these battles but I'll always understand why Chichi was against Gohan's participation (I never forget a 5 years old Gohan with a broken neck, and that I watched this in anime made for kids and young teens).

Fine, but why?

[mabalia]

I didn't like that Gohan started to fight so young, he was just 5 years old, not even Goku started his adventures so young, he was already 12 or considering Minus possibly 14 years old. I'd prefer for the timeskip between DB and DBZ be at least 10 years, if I could change something in the manga that'd be it.

I know Gohan strenght was necessary in these battles but I'll always understand why Chichi was against Gohan's participation (I never forget a 5 years old Gohan with a broken neck, and that I watched this in anime made for kids and young teens).

Fine, but why?

DBZ arcs were very violent and if Gohan had to be a child in this, at least he could be older, like 9 or 10 years old, 5 years old is just too young for me. But what I'd really like was that Gohan started DBZ being 15 years old, by that time Goku should've convinced Chichi to let Gohan be trained by him. But that's just me, you don't have to agree.

[LuckyCat]

I didn't like that Gohan started to fight so young, he was just 5 years old, not even Goku started his adventures so young, he was already 12 or considering Minus possibly 14 years old. I'd prefer for the timeskip between DB and DBZ be at least 10 years, if I could change something in the manga that'd be it.

I know Gohan strenght was necessary in these battles but I'll always understand why Chichi was against Gohan's participation (I never forget a 5 years old Gohan with a broken neck, and that I watched this in anime made for kids and young teens).

Fine, but why?

DBZ arcs were very violent and if Gohan had to be a child in this, at least he could be older, like 9 or 10 years old, 5 years old is just too young for me. But what I'd really like was that Gohan started DBZ being 15 years old, by that time Goku should've convinced Chichi to let Gohan be trained by him. But that's just me, you don't have to agree.

If Gohan's 15, he's more of a role model for teenagers whereas the target demographic, as you mentioned, was young boys.

[rereboy]

If Gohan's 15, he's more of a role model for teenagers whereas the target demographic, as you mentioned, was young boys.

Shonen can mean young boys (as you call it) but also teenagers (in short, typically ages 8 to 18). Some shonen mangas focus more on the younger end of the spectrum while others focus more on the older end of the spectrum, and there are others still that, over the course of their run, noticeable start to transition towards the opposite end of spectrum compared to where they started. Dragon Ball doesn't focus that much on the younger end of the spectrum.

Also, there are types of manga for even younger audiences than Shonen. For example, Kodomo-muke manga, with Doraemon being an example of that type.