Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Jinzoningen MULE]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What didn't you like about it? We usually talk about what we did or didn't like, why, and try to identify who animated what.

[Hit!!]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What about 24?? what about 33???

[kinisking]

72 was better animated than most of Super. Way better than the average Champa or Rof arc episode.

[iAnimationLover_]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

Excuse me, but 72 was better than 95% of all the RoF arc and episode's 5,12, ,24,33,62 67 and more! ex dee

[Ki Breaker]

72 was better animated than most of Super. Way better than the average Champa or Rof arc episode.

Yea, really can't figure out why some say it's so bad, it was much better than fights until piccolo vs frost

[kinisking]

72 was better animated than most of Super. Way better than the average Champa or Rof arc episode.

Yea, really can't figure out why some say it's so bad, it was much better than fights until piccolo vs frost

People were ready to shut on it the second they saw the NEP

[Shreyas_Singh]

72 was better animated than most of Super. Way better than the average Champa or Rof arc episode.

Yea, really can't figure out why some say it's so bad, it was much better than fights until piccolo vs frost

People were ready to shut on it the second they saw the NEP

Mr. Tate can't catch a break can he?

[iAnimationLover_]

Mr. Tate can't catch a break can he?

sadly no

[gohan_black]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What didn't you like about it? We usually talk about what we did or didn't like, why, and try to identify who animated what.

There are a lot of terrible art but what annoyed me the most is the shitty movement fights of goku who look very similiar to those of episode 5. And that is unfixable if you check out the blu ray version of episode 5. This is a problem we see again and again. Last time it was the vegeta vs hit fight.

To see such a fall after the future trunks arc that had superb animation most of times. This aint dragon ball anymore. In dragon ball and dragon ball z when someone attack his body dosent change proportions like that. This is like naruto style of animation. I'm a dragon ball fan not naruto or one piece fan. So when I'm seeing such things i dont like it

[gohan_black]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What about 24?? what about 33???

33???? The episode with botamo and frost. It wasent even that bad it was average. The goku vs frost fight was pretty good. Not even remotley as bad as 72. Not even 24.

[gohan_black]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

Excuse me, but 72 was better than 95% of all the RoF arc and episode's 5,12, ,24,33,62 67 and more! ex dee

This is my post on facebook explaining why this episode was so bad. Check it out

https://m.facebook.com/groups/280693202 ... 678572395

And lol saying it was better then most db super. If this is really your standarts as a dragon ball fan then you have no standarts at all

[gohan_black]

Mr. Tate can't catch a break can he?

sadly no

So should i sugercoat it because some animator or another who are famous here was the one in charge of this episode? Should i describe a piece of turd as great after I've hear bil gates made it?

Do you see my point?

[kinisking]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

Excuse me, but 72 was better than 95% of all the RoF arc and episode's 5,12, ,24,33,62 67 and more! ex dee

This is my post on facebook explaining why this episode was so bad. Check it out

https://m.facebook.com/groups/280693202 ... 678572395

And lol saying it was better then most db super. If this is really your standarts as a dragon ball fan then you have no standarts at all

You said it was the worst since episode 5 so we had to take the rest of Super into account. And when we did, it's obvious that your statement was incorrect. I would post clips from episode 24 and 33 to show what you're saying is wildly in correct but I don't really know how to do that

[Mazingerdestro]

keep in mind you dont see a lot of the weird action we have now until people like Hosoda are made to direct Digimon which spreads to One Piece which creates the one, the only, NAOKI TATE!

As much as I love to praise people for their hard work in the animation industry, I still fail to find an excuse for the Tate hype. None of his work impresses me. I feel like he wants to innovate but lacks professionalism, leading to mixed reviews in his work. I consider animation as an illusion that turns some figures on a paper into living things. Animation should be capable of making you feel something for drawings by masking the fact that you watch drawings. In Tate's case that hasn't happened for me yet. I understand though why some enjoy his work

I think Tate is good at Supervising an episode than doing a Key Animation. Also if the schedule is good, maybe his work is better than he did on episode 2.
Episode 5 was rushed, but Naoki Tate was the only supervisor (considering that the episode had good moments other than Ken Otsuka). Now, that the schedule is (approximately) better than before. Maybe he can give us some nice stuff.

Example:

Episode 5
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Episode 72
[spoiler][/spoiler]

If the schedule of Super still incompatible with Tate key animations, then the best solution is just to correct them (just like Manabe did).

EDIT: Sorry, if the post just got edited several times. I didn't know there's a Preview button there. I'm still learning.

Actually I liked the corrected episode 5. The ssj3 scenes looked great.
My idea of Tate is that he is a guy with a vision and a lot of ideas. However, been creative when the schedule is a mess is a bad idea and then you have to remember that you are a professional, which translates to "make something limited that looks good". Going wild when the schedule is a mess, is a sign that he either pays no attention to the series' needs or that he doesn't give a damn for the series and seeks to follow his principals. Call me old fashioned but I believe that creative vision should be limited when countless people around you struggle to produce quality.

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

Excuse me, but 72 was better than 95% of all the RoF arc and episode's 5,12, ,24,33,62 67 and more! ex dee

This is my post on facebook explaining why this episode was so bad. Check it out

https://m.facebook.com/groups/280693202 ... 678572395

And lol saying it was better then most db super. If this is really your standarts as a dragon ball fan then you have no standarts at all

What an awful thing to say. Especially when the episode was pretty good in terms of art and execution, while delivering a funny story. What you were expecting sakuga in a silly filler episode about a movie with super heroes? Especially when a huge arc is less than a month away? Also "standards as a db fan"? How does someone's preferences or standards in animation correlate with the fact that he is a fan of a series?
I am a fan. I liked that episode. Does that make me less of a fan? If it does, how exactly? So if the person above said "this episode sucked!!!!! It's not like opm in animation!!!!" That would make him a better fan? Because I can live with more mediocre animation as long as the art and the story are good

[JulieYBM]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What didn't you like about it? We usually talk about what we did or didn't like, why, and try to identify who animated what.

There are a lot of terrible art but what annoyed me the most is the shitty movement fights of goku who look very similiar to those of episode 5. And that is unfixable if you check out the blu ray version of episode 5. This is a problem we see again and again. Last time it was the vegeta vs hit fight.

To see such a fall after the future trunks arc that had superb animation most of times. This aint dragon ball anymore. In dragon ball and dragon ball z when someone attack his body dosent change proportions like that. This is like naruto style of animation. I'm a dragon ball fan not naruto or one piece fan. So when I'm seeing such things i dont like it

It's not 'Naruto style', because Naruto doesn't have a single 'style'. Key animators are brought on to a project to share their individual traits with the project because the director appreciates them and wants their individuality to define moments. This has been how commercial Japanese animation has worked since the 1970s and arguably 1960s. Tate Naoki is trusted with important fight scenes that require more drawings because his skill is recognized.

[dbs fanboy]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What about 24?? what about 33???

33???? The episode with botamo and frost. It wasent even that bad it was average. The goku vs frost fight was pretty good. Not even remotley as bad as 72. Not even 24.

The Botamo fight was full of weird frames and wonky faces,and the Frost fight (while i enjoyed it a bit and don't think that is terrible shit) it's still full of repeated frames.
I can get why it seems like ep 5 level with some weird faces and weird scenes. But the ep itself had more movement than episodes like 33 (let's not talk about 24). That being said, ep 72 isn't an specially good animated episode, it was just fine, but it was definetely much better than a lot of other episodes of super, and even the fight itself was more entertaining than usual without taking the animation into consideration.

[iAnimationLover_]

72 was trash. Worst animated episode since 5

What didn't you like about it? We usually talk about what we did or didn't like, why, and try to identify who animated what.

There are a lot of terrible art but what annoyed me the most is the shitty movement fights of goku who look very similiar to those of episode 5. And that is unfixable if you check out the blu ray version of episode 5. This is a problem we see again and again. Last time it was the vegeta vs hit fight.

To see such a fall after the future trunks arc that had superb animation most of times. This aint dragon ball anymore. In dragon ball and dragon ball z when someone attack his body dosent change proportions like that. This is like naruto style of animation. I'm a dragon ball fan not naruto or one piece fan. So when I'm seeing such things i dont like it

Are you paying to watch this shit? If not, Then why are you complaining as if you could do any better?


what you saw wasnt good? Yes. But what you mentioned only lasted for about -- 3 seconds. which isnt worth complaining about too much. i see that its not normal but that doesnt mean you should shit on it. i mean like for god sake Tate's schedule is pretty hectic. just going from 56 - 72 these are what he had to work in. (Bold numbers are episodes he supervised/was the top key animator)

56 63, 65 66, 69, 72 And was STILL the top key animator in his episodes.

Also with 63, he had to work on Tiger Mask W's opening. Also episode 72 was basically filler. no need to get mad over filler thats basically here to improve the animation of the next arc (Hopefully)

"To see such a fall after the future trunks arc that had superb animation most of times." Do you really expect a filler episode to have OPM Movie quality? tf? Especially seeing as there is a major arc with lots of action in the coming months? Your logic.. i give it a 10/10 The falls IN the FT arc were 20 times worse than this. (60,62, 67)

Also "Most of the time" Youre being really ignorant here. The FT Arc had great animation for Super but it certainly wasnt most of the time. i still enjoy it though

[gohan_black]

As much as I love to praise people for their hard work in the animation industry, I still fail to find an excuse for the Tate hype. None of his work impresses me. I feel like he wants to innovate but lacks professionalism, leading to mixed reviews in his work. I consider animation as an illusion that turns some figures on a paper into living things. Animation should be capable of making you feel something for drawings by masking the fact that you watch drawings. In Tate's case that hasn't happened for me yet. I understand though why some enjoy his work

I think Tate is good at Supervising an episode than doing a Key Animation. Also if the schedule is good, maybe his work is better than he did on episode 2.
Episode 5 was rushed, but Naoki Tate was the only supervisor (considering that the episode had good moments other than Ken Otsuka). Now, that the schedule is (approximately) better than before. Maybe he can give us some nice stuff.

Example:

Episode 5
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Episode 72
[spoiler][/spoiler]

If the schedule of Super still incompatible with Tate key animations, then the best solution is just to correct them (just like Manabe did).

EDIT: Sorry, if the post just got edited several times. I didn't know there's a Preview button there. I'm still learning.

Actually I liked the corrected episode 5. The ssj3 scenes looked great.
My idea of Tate is that he is a guy with a vision and a lot of ideas. However, been creative when the schedule is a mess is a bad idea and then you have to remember that you are a professional, which translates to "make something limited that looks good". Going wild when the schedule is a mess, is a sign that he either pays no attention to the series' needs or that he doesn't give a damn for the series and seeks to follow his principals. Call me old fashioned but I believe that creative vision should be limited when countless people around you struggle to produce quality.

Excuse me, but 72 was better than 95% of all the RoF arc and episode's 5,12, ,24,33,62 67 and more! ex dee

This is my post on facebook explaining why this episode was so bad. Check it out

https://m.facebook.com/groups/280693202 ... 678572395

And lol saying it was better then most db super. If this is really your standarts as a dragon ball fan then you have no standarts at all

What an awful thing to say. Especially when the episode was pretty good in terms of art and execution, while delivering a funny story. What you were expecting sakuga in a silly filler episode about a movie with super heroes? Especially when a huge arc is less than a month away? Also "standards as a db fan"? How does someone's preferences or standards in animation correlate with the fact that he is a fan of a series?
I am a fan. I liked that episode. Does that make me less of a fan? If it does, how exactly? So if the person above said "this episode sucked!!!!! It's not like opm in animation!!!!" That would make him a better fan? Because I can live with more mediocre animation as long as the art and the story are good

here you go once again with this ''this guy animated this and hes exprienced and etc etc.....

should i care? like really if i see terrible animation who is compleatly foreign to the dragon ball franchise that i watch everyday for the last 15 years. should i think like.

''hmmm it does look like crap but that guy who is a famous with a big reputation was in charge so its maybe not that bad''

do you get my point?

its not the art. its not how this charecter or another look standing in a brief scene. its this thing



a normal sane dragon ball fan who actually think this is good? this isnt dragon ball. this isnt something that you can fix its stayed on the blu ray version as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcIOPYyFawk

now to episode 72 which had the same problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LT1oXU9kE

srarting from 2:28

that btw wasent at all in the future trunks arc. because this isnt dragon ball. never was. never will. in db z and gt the same rules applies. charecters dont move like that. this is something from newer animes like naruto or one piece. so if you a fan of those shows and you like this then suit yourself. but I'm a dragon ball purist. I'm watching other animes but not in the action genre. for me it was and allwayes be dragon ball. so to see my favorite media being ruined like this. this aint making me happy. and dont forget toryama himeself trashed db super animation

[dbs fanboy]

here you go once again with this ''this guy animated this and hes exprienced and etc etc.....

should i care? like really if i see terrible animation who is compleatly foreign to the dragon ball franchise that i watch everyday for the last 15 years. should i think like.

''hmmm it does look like crap but that guy who is a famous with a big reputation was in charge so its maybe not that bad''

do you get my point?

its not the art. its not how this charecter or another look standing in a brief scene. its this thing



a normal sane dragon ball fan who actually think this is good? this isnt dragon ball. this isnt something that you can fix its stayed on the blu ray version as well

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcIOPYyFawk[/url]

now to episode 72 which had the same problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LT1oXU9kE

srarting from 2:28

that btw wasent at all in the future trunks arc. because this isnt dragon ball. never was. never will. in db z and gt the same rules applies. charecters dont move like that. this is something from newer animes like naruto or one piece. so if you a fan of those shows and you like this then suit yourself. but I'm a dragon ball purist. I'm watching other animes but not in the action genre. for me it was and allwayes be dragon ball. so to see my favorite media being ruined like this. this aint making me happy. and dont forget toryama himeself trashed db super animation

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LT1oXU9kE is better than this https://youtu.be/mLJhQuS6duQ

This is better than this
(I tried to compare some of what i considered tha best shots of these episodes, i might be wrong)

[gohan_black]

here you go once again with this ''this guy animated this and hes exprienced and etc etc.....

should i care? like really if i see terrible animation who is compleatly foreign to the dragon ball franchise that i watch everyday for the last 15 years. should i think like.

''hmmm it does look like crap but that guy who is a famous with a big reputation was in charge so its maybe not that bad''

do you get my point?

its not the art. its not how this charecter or another look standing in a brief scene. its this thing



a normal sane dragon ball fan who actually think this is good? this isnt dragon ball. this isnt something that you can fix its stayed on the blu ray version as well

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcIOPYyFawk[/url]

now to episode 72 which had the same problem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LT1oXU9kE

srarting from 2:28

that btw wasent at all in the future trunks arc. because this isnt dragon ball. never was. never will. in db z and gt the same rules applies. charecters dont move like that. this is something from newer animes like naruto or one piece. so if you a fan of those shows and you like this then suit yourself. but I'm a dragon ball purist. I'm watching other animes but not in the action genre. for me it was and allwayes be dragon ball. so to see my favorite media being ruined like this. this aint making me happy. and dont forget toryama himeself trashed db super animation

This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7LT1oXU9kE is better than this https://youtu.be/mLJhQuS6duQ

This is better than this
(I tried to compare some of what i considered tha best shots of these episodes, i might be wrong)

It seems they only focus on close up shots. Anything else look like crap including the most importent ones the fight movements