"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Damn, more spoilers coming up:

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[namekiansaiyan]

He also said he wrote a cool 17 moment, and thats probably him beating up Karopelsa the Policeman.

But good point, if Zarbuto doesnt appear in episode 115 then U2 is safe.

He might appear in episode 115 as he said that about Zarbuto back in July so that scene must be appearing anytime now.

I think it's certainly possible for Zarbuto to appear, but 115 focuses on Goku vs Kefla, 17 and 18 vs Katopesla, and a scene or two with the U6 namekian fight. I don't know where they can stick a Zarbuto scene in there.

It only has to be 20 seconds long just like the scene with Catopesra in episode 114 and he was not in the preview for the episode.

[Helios518]

Damn, more spoilers coming up:

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Wow, we got to wait until at least 125 to see Gohan Blanco in action.

[Jigurashi]

People are complaining about Kefla getting so much focus, and i'm actually more dissapointed by the fact she'll probably get eliminated soon and i wanted a god damn team up between her and Goku.

I wouldn't have minded them teaming up, but Jiren's the only one who they could have fought and not guarantee to stomp.

[mfwlegend3]

Damn, more spoilers coming up:

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Wow, we got to wait until at least 125 to see Gohan Blanco in action.

I wish this meme died already.

[Noah]

Wow, we got to wait until at least 125 to see Gohan Blanco in action.

I hope it will be good as the premise

[dbs fanboy]

So we're just going in a big circle now as Goku gets completely drained again?

At this rate I guess Goku vs. Jiren rematch will be somewhere between episodes 125-130

So basically

-UI vs opponent
-Tired
-Get punched in the face a bunch
-Stamina coming back
-UI vs another opponent
-Tired.

I really hope we don't have that as the cycle for the next while.

I really hope Goku actually hides to rest next time. I don't really buy how is he able to regain stamina while fighting, that's dumb. It makes much more sense that he already had his tamina back once Freeza gave him energy, but decided to save his strenght, explaining how only transformed when Kale/Caulifla were getting the upper hand .

[perucho1990]

I think it's certainly possible for Zarbuto to appear, but 115 focuses on Goku vs Kefla, 17 and 18 vs Katopesla, and a scene or two with the U6 namekian fight. I don't know where they can stick a Zarbuto scene in there.

Fighting Universe 7's son Goku, Universe 6's Caulifla and Kale use the "Potara" earrings that Kaioshins wear to merge. Facing Goku as "Kefla", they overwhelm him with stupendous power. Witnessing this, the people from the other universes wonder if they too should use Potara to merge, and begin forming plans...

He might be one of those fighters reacting to fusing with potaras.

[GodVegetto91]

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These seriously cracked me up! Lmao
These are sooo obviously fake, i didn't even have to consider them xD

[Whatever]

I don't think so, in the Boo arc she had some moments with Mr. Satan in the 25TB and that's it, later she was killed by Super Boo, Piccolo otherwise almost killed Babidi, was responsible for teaching the fusion to Goten and Trunks after Goku gone, he was later absorbed by Boo who used his smarts to defeat Gohan. In GT he sacrificed himself to avoid Earth being destroyed and helped Goku to escape Hell, we can argue that both him and 18 were 'even' in treatment at the Super 17 arc, as 18 assisted Goku to defeat the main antagonist. In Super she's nothing but a housewife, they didn't let her fight against Freeza goons in RoF and only showed interesting in the ToP thinking there would be a huge money prize, Piccolo is not much better than her though: sacrificed himself again to protect Gohan, was shamefully defeated by Frost, but later helped Gohan to achieve his 'Ultimate' form again with training.

Teaching Goten and Trunks turned out to be a waste of time in the end and Buu did not need his smarts to defeat Gohan,the power he got from ssj3 Gotenks was more than enough,Piccolo was just a bonus.At the least 18 got a fight,Piccolo got 0 fights in that saga.
In Gt 18 was usefull and did not die so by default she was treated better,heck her little fight in which she kicked 17 was still more fighting than Piccolo did in that saga as well.In rof Piccolo got the GT treatment again,so yeah 18 got it better than him in that saga as well despite not even fighting.
So far in the Top,18 has been treated way better than Piccolo.

[Tombstone1988]

If recent spoilers hold true, Goku is going to end up fatigued again. Really getting irritated by this plot point. I wish they'd just leave him sitting and resting for a few episodes to establish some credibility. I figured 17 and 18 would end up fighting Ribrianne and Rozie. Made too much sense. My gut says Universe 2 will be erased, but I'd rather Universe 6 is erased to try and add some dramatic weight to the situation.

Damn, more spoilers coming up:

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4chan.org? 100% confirmed true spoilers. RIP Goku.

[Sandubadear]

If recent spoilers hold true, Goku is going to end up fatigued again. Really getting irritated by this plot point. I wish they'd just leave him sitting and resting for a few episodes to establish some credibility. I figured 17 and 18 would end up fighting Ribrianne and Rozie. Made too much sense. My gut says Universe 2 will be erased, but I'd rather Universe 6 is erased to try and add some dramatic weight to the situation.

"A new victim from U7" = Goku loses because no energy and Freeza won't give him any more energy.

[Noah]

Teaching Goten and Trunks turned out to be a waste of time in the end and Buu did not need his smarts to defeat Gohan,the power he got from ssj3 Gotenks was more than enough,Piccolo was just a bonus.At the least 18 got a fight,Piccolo got 0 fights in that saga.
In Gt 18 was usefull and did not die so by default she was treated better,heck her little fight in which she kicked 17 was still more fighting than Piccolo did in that saga as well.In rof Piccolo got the GT treatment again,so yeah 18 got it better than him in that saga as well despite not even fighting.
So far in the Top,18 has been treated way better than Piccolo.

Not really, if he didn't taught the kids how to fuse proper, Super Boo would just destroy the planet quickly before Gohan could even come to fight him. Not that Piccolo was essential to Gohan's defeat, but the latter acknowledges that he used Piccolo intelligence to outsmart him, thus winning with ease.
After the Super 17 arc, Piccolo stayed in hell with all the old villains and said he would be enough to hold them, implied he got pretty strong too.
How 18 got a better treatment in RoF arc? Piccolo died but at least he was there to fight, if wasn't for Whis, 18 would remain dead too.
And in ToP I agree, but in the arc overall he had good moments too.

[TheOne]

If recent spoilers hold true, Goku is going to end up fatigued again. Really getting irritated by this plot point. I wish they'd just leave him sitting and resting for a few episodes to establish some credibility. I figured 17 and 18 would end up fighting Ribrianne and Rozie. Made too much sense. My gut says Universe 2 will be erased, but I'd rather Universe 6 is erased to try and add some dramatic weight to the situation.

Damn, more spoilers coming up:

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4chan.org? 100% confirmed true spoilers. RIP Goku.

Why would you get tired of Goku getting fatigued? It means other people will have moments since Goku is out of commission.

You people complain about everything

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

Gokū’s gonna need his full strength against Jiren. Though I highly doubt they’ll just hide Gokū under some rocks somewhere away from the spotlight until it’s time to fight Jiren again. Gokū’s gonna have to find someway of maintaining UI long enough to beat Jiren. Can’t afford to fight the guy exhausted again. And hell, I think the fight with Jiren may be longer than Gokū’s fight with Beerus. Dude is a monster.

[Kataphrut]

If recent spoilers hold true, Goku is going to end up fatigued again. Really getting irritated by this plot point. I wish they'd just leave him sitting and resting for a few episodes to establish some credibility. I figured 17 and 18 would end up fighting Ribrianne and Rozie. Made too much sense. My gut says Universe 2 will be erased, but I'd rather Universe 6 is erased to try and add some dramatic weight to the situation.

Why would you get tired of Goku getting fatigued? It means other people will have moments since Goku is out of commission.

You people complain about everything

Being fatigued didn't stop him being the focus of the last two episodes, or the next two haha

I get the complaint. I figured the second half of the arc would be all about him slowly regaining the energy to use Ultra Instinct for the climax while other characters get their moments in the meantime. That's sort of held true in the last few episodes since the main focus was on Kale and Caulifla, even though Goku was fighting them. But it looks like he's going to get it back in 116, then lose it again, then have to regain his energy all over again? It's just messing about.

[CJStriker_CBR]

He also said he wrote a cool 17 moment, and thats probably him beating up Karopelsa the Policeman.

But good point, if Zarbuto doesnt appear in episode 115 then U2 is safe.

He might appear in episode 115 as he said that about Zarbuto back in July so that scene must be appearing anytime now.

I think it's certainly possible for Zarbuto to appear, but 115 focuses on Goku vs Kefla, 17 and 18 vs Katopesla, and a scene or two with the U6 namekian fight. I don't know where they can stick a Zarbuto scene in there.

Their are some reasons I already gave why I think U2 is not the next on to go but this is indeed good one. Now we can still have episode 115 happen, not Zarbuto moment, but in 117 I still believe U2 will lose at least 1-2 fighters, but then that means that Zarbuto will be one of the ones that survives that fight as well.

Indeed Zarbuto could appear with that funny moment in 115 but yea the episode is already so chalk-full with all the goings on I think a vast majority of it will be the Goku and Kefla fight again and the talk between the Universes about fusions will be chatter but nothing much more then that, most likely talk in the stands since they can see all these goings-ons more then those on the battle field.

Also as you said Big Chief, Toshio is only writing 115 and not 116-118 so if that scene does not happen in 115 it will have to be for a later on episode, giving more credit U2 is not the one to go. That is a Good analyzes their.

We have to wait and see, but while their are other story-wise reasons for U2 staying, this is a good one I forgot about.

[HeroR]

This is getting scary, because Piccolo is the first thing that comes to mind when it comes to sacrifice, he going to get Yamchad

And it's only because of Gohan. All I ask is Piccolo do his own thing where Gohan isn't involved just like the old days.

It's become a meme, with nearly every old school Z movie Piccolo makes an entrance to the fight after saving Gohan. Piccolo saving him yet again and that being the reason he's out of this tournament would serve no real purpose for either character. When we saw it in RoF it wasn't a powerful scene compared to the one in the Saiyan Saga for obvious reasons.

No other character gets treated like that. Being attached to another character no matter what is infuriating.

18 will be next though.

The people at Toei are just simply bad writers who have no understanding of the characters they write for.

18 is most definitely next.

So everyone who worked at Toei are simply bad writers, even the freelancers and highly respectable writers who worked on other anime?

[HeroR]

Goku isn't even at full power LOL Why are people forgetting this fact? Why is it a surprise that Kefla, a potara fusion, in base can outpace a TIRED SSG Goku. a Goku so weak he can't even go above Kaioken x ONE if we go by his statement based on the preview. This dude is hanging on by a thread going up against this fusion that tired.

If Goku is going Blue and Kaioken, he isn’t that tired, especially ‘hanging on by a thread going’.

While yes Goku would realistically still be really tired, we honestly don’t know if the writers are taking this into account. I’d be willing to say they think Goku has recovered his stamina and back to his full strength (which is dumb). Pulling out SSJ3 and all these other transformations kinda points at that. I don’t agree with that. I’d like for Goku to be dealing with some form of handicap while fighting to show that the gap is only circumstantial.

Goku is tired, but he isn't half dead as some seems to be pushing.

We all knew that we were going to see UI at least one more time before Goku fought Jiren again. I just never thought it’d be from Kafla or however you spell it.

Not sure about everyone else, but I’d put Kale and Caulifla individually around the strength Goku and Vegeta had during the Buu saga or beginning of Super. Which makes sense I guess. But what makes it really stupid is that this fusion makes no sense.

If I remember this correctly, Goku told Vegeta (or someone else) that fusion would be useless against Beerus. Yet SSG was enough to somewhat satisfy Beerus to leave them alone. Goku is now much stronger than he was back then and now has essentially two transformations after that, but Kafla has somehow surpassed the level of strength SSG had that made it so special. If Kafla was able to do this, Vegetto should’ve given Beerus some fun as well. At least as SSJ3.

This makes SSGs appearance absolutely unnecessary back then if it can be so easily passed up by two Saiyan who are around Buu saga level (or even slightly above). I just don’t understand some of this logic. You shouldn’t have to come up with some radical explanations to make things make sense.

That is a huge lowball. Cabba in the Champa Saga was even with base form Vegeta. Per Vegeta's own words:

"He's good! Looks like we're evenly match in normal form. At this rate, this match is going nowhere."

Cali is said to be stronger than Cabba even before getting Super Saiyan and Kale have her Berserk form. So they way, way above anyone in the Buu Saga or the beginning of Super. Seriously, why is anyone from U6 being compared to the Buu Saga?

[CJStriker_CBR]

And it's only because of Gohan. All I ask is Piccolo do his own thing where Gohan isn't involved just like the old days.

It's become a meme, with nearly every old school Z movie Piccolo makes an entrance to the fight after saving Gohan. Piccolo saving him yet again and that being the reason he's out of this tournament would serve no real purpose for either character. When we saw it in RoF it wasn't a powerful scene compared to the one in the Saiyan Saga for obvious reasons.

No other character gets treated like that. Being attached to another character no matter what is infuriating.

18 will be next though.

The people at Toei are just simply bad writers who have no understanding of the characters they write for.

18 is most definitely next.

So everyone at who worked at Toei are simply bad writers, even the freelancers and highly respectable writers who worked on other anime?

Yea........Getting back into Reading Marvel Comics like I have the past few years has made me gain allot of respect for the art of Writing and the art of story telling and character development. It is not one size fits all and no matter what you do you will always have fans that don't like what you do, so when a writer writes they can't be thinking about pleasing everyone otherwise it become a junk-food mess of nothing to just please a present day now. They also have editorial and Corporate mandates to take the stories where they want too.

So no matter who the writer is, I tip my hat off to them cause to come-up with the art of the story and character for such a Major Series as big as dragon ball has to be allot of pressure, I don't shove them down so harsh since I am only a fan who just sits here, watches and comment on what they put allot of work and pressure into not knowing what it took to come to this final work.