"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by TripleRach » Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:50 pm

DI297, please re-read the forum rules. Particularly the parts about attitude. There is no reason to lash out at others when they disagree with you.
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TripleRach wrote:DI297, please re-read the forum rules. Particularly the parts about attitude. There is no reason to lash out at others when they disagree with you.
Who is lashing out? Thats why I say youre too sensitive

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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:41 pm

DI297 wrote:Who is lashing out? Thats why I say youre too sensitive
See example below:
DI297 wrote:it is a fcking fan art that I didnt make, if the problem is the piccolo cape imagine he has his regular cape, does it make sense now or is there any other little detail that makes it not make sense?
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Post by DI297 » Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:51 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
DI297 wrote:Who is lashing out? Thats why I say youre too sensitive
See example below:
DI297 wrote:it is a fcking fan art that I didnt make, if the problem is the piccolo cape imagine he has his regular cape, does it make sense now or is there any other little detail that makes it not make sense?
You're being obnoxious and you're off-topic. I am now the second moderator telling you to knock it off. If you think we're "too sensitive", that's fine; you can find another place to discuss the show and the games.
You dont need to tell me what I can do, after all this shit Ill be more than glad to leave this temple like place full of over sensitive and oppressive whiny admins, fuck you, I'm out

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DI297 wrote: You dont need to tell me what I can do, after all this shit Ill be more than glad to leave this temple like place full of over sensitive and oppressive whiny admins, fuck you, I'm out
This is why you have no friends IRL.

Does anyone know when we can expect the new UM2 update?
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Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:23 pm

Wilderness wrote:
Does anyone know when we can expect the new UM2 update?
The game is always in V-Jump so we'll probably get something on the 20th-21st.
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Post by OkamiTakahashi » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:39 pm

As interesting as DB Heroes is, recent additions don't make sense, timeline-wise.

If Victory Missions grounds it as being after GT, why is there Xenoverse content in it now? Time Patrollers fixing the timeline would have made it so that there's no record of Mira or Towa, and Xenoverse is after Heroes, so why does Mira use a form not used in Xenoverse or Online? It's just a mess now.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:21 pm

Your first problem is trying to connect everything related to the game to each other, as well as to the rest of the franchise material. If you really feel the need though...

Victory Mission has no obvious setting beyond "GT appears to have happened" and "Dragon Balls were real a long, long time ago". Some people assume it's around AGE 890 because of the Pack character from the Goku Gaiden (honestly though, it's just a cameo like Jaco, Kajika, etc). If we count the line about the Dragon Balls though, they may not be too far off. Likewise, nothing tells us when Heroes' "Ankokumakai Arc" takes place on the game's timeline, but if it's similar to Xenoverse, then that puts it in AGE 850. That would give us a ~40 year gap to cover the events with Towa, Mira and Demigra and potential sequels after Xenoverse's cliffhanger. (Arguably though, for the time being, Victory Mission doesn't cover the Towa and Mira content because of the hiatus. So the manga version of events don't imply that the Towa and Mira content has to have happened to be represented in the game...though I don't know what it matters, because none of the what-ifs happened and they still get represented.)

Dragon Ball Online is fairly irrelevant here. The assets are being reused, but because the game wasn't finished and never really left South Korea, Taiwan & Hong Kong, they likely don't feel the need to stick to what the game presented.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:39 am

Man, you can really tell the difference that a week and a month make when it comes to the quality of Toyotaro's art. Compare the Heroes manga to Super's and it looks like two different people drew them.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:13 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Victory Mission has no obvious setting beyond "GT appears to have happened" and "Dragon Balls were real a long, long time ago".
Isn't it safe to assume that the DBZ Movies 1-15, JSAT, PtEtSS, and EoB, along with some unknown to us incidents involving Janenba-Baby, SS4 Broli, SS3 GT Trunks, etc have happened as well in this continuity, since the DBH game is replicated through some sort of time-travel?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:42 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Man, you can really tell the difference that a week and a month make when it comes to the quality of Toyotaro's art. Compare the Heroes manga to Super's and it looks like two different people drew them.
Both are/were monthly series in V-Jump, so I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. There is a difference in quality, but release schedule has nothing to do with it.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't it safe to assume that the DBZ Movies 1-15, JSAT, PtEtSS, and EoB, along with some unknown to us incidents involving Janenba-Baby, SS4 Broli, SS3 GT Trunks, etc have happened as well in this continuity, since the DBH game is replicated through some sort of time-travel?
I really don't want to jump the gun an make a lot of wild assumptions, mainly because we don't really know how the device works...despite having been given an explanation. It seems like bad things taken from the past in the "game world" can affect the "real world" but they aren't affecting the past by just going in there? Really, the info they did give us only raises more questions than answers.

I suppose it's possible that Victory Mission takes place in a new, conjunctive timeline, or maybe however the machine works just allowed them to observe other timelines or something for the content that doesn't quite fit with everything else. I don't really have an opinion on the what-ifs though. I haven't seen any translations on how those are addressed in the manga's game. So they could be part of a new timeline, observed in a different one, or maybe they're just be things the developer decided would be fun.
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TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I really don't want to jump the gun an make a lot of wild assumptions, mainly because we don't really know how the device works...despite having been given an explanation. It seems like bad things taken from the past in the "game world" can affect the "real world" but they aren't affecting the past by just going in there? Really, the info they did give us only raises more questions than answers.
From what I've understood, the machine re-creates a new world based on the past of the real world, and this "game world" is as much real as the actual real world... kinda.
I suppose it's possible that Victory Mission takes place in a new, conjunctive timeline, or maybe however the machine works just allowed them to observe other timelines or something for the content that doesn't quite fit with everything else. I don't really have an opinion on the what-ifs though. I haven seen any translations on how those are addressed in game. So they could be part of new timeline, observe in a different one, or maybe they're just be things the developer decided would be fun.
I guess it's possible that the movies & what-ifs could be taken different timelines, since the game also has fighters from Future Trunks' timeline.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:10 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Man, you can really tell the difference that a week and a month make when it comes to the quality of Toyotaro's art. Compare the Heroes manga to Super's and it looks like two different people drew them.
Both are/were monthly series in V-Jump, so I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. There is a difference in quality, but release schedule has nothing to do with it.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Isn't it safe to assume that the DBZ Movies 1-15, JSAT, PtEtSS, and EoB, along with some unknown to us incidents involving Janenba-Baby, SS4 Broli, SS3 GT Trunks, etc have happened as well in this continuity, since the DBH game is replicated through some sort of time-travel?
I really don't want to jump the gun an make a lot of wild assumptions, mainly because we don't really know how the device works...despite having been given an explanation. It seems like bad things taken from the past in the "game world" can affect the "real world" but they aren't affecting the past by just going in there? Really, the info they did give us only raises more questions than answers.

I suppose it's possible that Victory Mission takes place in a new, conjunctive timeline, or maybe however the machine works just allowed them to observe other timelines or something for the content that doesn't quite fit with everything else. I don't really have an opinion on the what-ifs though. I haven't seen any translations on how those are addressed in the manga's game. So they could be part of a new timeline, observed in a different one, or maybe they're just be things the developer decided would be fun.
Huh, I thought Heroes was a weekly release.
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Post by VegettoEX » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:58 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Huh, I thought Heroes was a weekly release.
Nope; it ran monthly in V-Jump from September 2012 to December 2014 along with having a few bonus chapters in various publications.
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Post by alakazam^ » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:09 pm

Sandubadear wrote:What's a Dragon Orb? (anyone can read Japanese to explain what the heck is going on?)
Apparently the Dragon Orb tells them the location of the Evil Dragons.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:05 am

Here is the GDM5 annimated commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5UtpUTbmlE

And here is the "How to Play" video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Ljd1WKc2sY

Seems to be some "plot" details, or what counts for it in this game, that I'd be curious about. Also teases Broli's new form or whatever...
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Nothing too interesting, other than the fact that we seem to be getting giant fat Janenba as a summon on the Gogeta campaign card and the mini self from when he made the ton of them to attack Goku in the film. still just called Janenba, but I don't know what their form names are or anything yet. Also, no sign of Dark(ness) Towa or Super 17 (18 Absorbed) on the card list despite so much promotion. Apparently, they'll be our SECs...

I guess they weren't ready to reveal Bebi Hatchihyack or whatever, as he was removed from the image on the site. Maybe it was supposed to be for GDM6:
SS4 Gohan's cards that allow transformations from previous states have him in the Piccolo dogi from the animated trailer. It's small, but you can see his base form in the purple clothes.
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Post by DNA » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:30 am

Oh so they did introduce the small Janenba like I was expecting. Coolness.
By the way, isn't that a new thinner version of Super 17 Cell absorbed?

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TheDevilsCorpse wrote: Seems to be some "plot" details, or what counts for it in this game, that I'd be curious about.
What would you be interested in having translated?
DNA wrote:Oh so they did introduce the small Janenba like I was expecting. Coolness.
By the way, isn't that a new thinner version of Super 17 Cell absorbed?
I'm guessing he will become buff after absorbing him.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:53 am

DNA wrote:By the way, isn't that a new thinner version of Super 17 Cell absorbed?
Hmm? No? All the information is the same as the last Cell Absorption card ("Perfect Evolution", Icons, etc).
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alakazam^ wrote:What would you be interested in having translated?
Just anything new that would potentially seems like what passes for story in the game, for the Hell Gate material (if there actually is any). Like, I noticed they bothered showing the GDM4 cutscenes for Towa's defeat and her new revival as Dark(ness) Towa, but that doesn't mean it actually says anything worthwhile. All I managed to translate was that the the Hell Gates are Ice, Fire and Chaos...and 2/3 of that was obvious from the design aesthetic.

I'm also curious about the Broli thing, but if the narrator only says the text that pops up during the scene...it's mostly useless fluff that I already transcribed into Google.
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