The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

He can't "go full power". He can't change his power level at all. He was extremely surprised that the Earthlings could.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He can't "go full power". He can't change his power level at all.

Then what did he & Vegeta do when they powered up? I think that they can suppress their power to a degree.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

But taking the "Goku X Vegeta" as a multiplication doesn't make sense. The Potara are magical items made by the gods, while scouters & battle power numbers are created by aliens. The BP numbers symbolize one's power, but his power is not a number. So, it's completely illogical for Vegetto's power to be "73.273.832 X 72.993.098", because the Potara & the nature of ki are not related with numbers. The numbers are just a way to symbolize ones power.

I said in my previous post that I don't follow Vegeta X Goku, but I follow it being "closer to multiplication."

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But taking the "Goku X Vegeta" as a multiplication doesn't make sense. The Potara are magical items made by the gods, while scouters & battle power numbers are created by aliens. The BP numbers symbolize one's power, but his power is not a number. So, it's completely illogical for Vegetto's power to be "73.273.832 X 72.993.098", because the Potara & the nature of ki are not related with numbers. The numbers are just a way to symbolize ones power.

I said in my previous post that I don't follow Vegeta X Goku, but I follow it being closer to multiplication.

Oh, I see, sorry, I misunderstood you.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

It's fine, don't worry about it.

[Kamiccolo9]

Whis vs. Omega Shenron

Well, all we know about Whis is that he is stronger than Birisu, who is stronger than Super Vegito, who is "perhaps as strong as a Super Saiyan 4," while Omega Shenron is far stronger than SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta. I'm gonna go with Whis, just because I think he looks cooler

[rereboy]

He can't "go full power". He can't change his power level at all.

Then what did he & Vegeta do when they powered up? I think that they can suppress their power to a degree.

What the Earthlings call suppressing their power is more like hiding their true power deep within themselves, to use only when necessary.

Saiyans and other races typically don't do that. They don't hide their power. They simply use it or don't use it.

As a result, the scouter is able to pick up a Saiyan's true power even when the Saiyan is not using it (if he doesn't suppress his Ki like the Earthlings). But it can't pick up an Earthling's true power unless they reveal it, because its too well hidden.

Earthlings also can sense power from a distance, like scouters do. However, Earthlings are not machines, so they work a little different. Earthlings rely more on something like instinct, while scouters rely on science. As such, regarding opponents that can't suppress their Ki, Earthlings can sense them without much trouble, but unlike scouters they are much more precise in their estimates when the opponent actually starts using their power, which sometimes surprises the Earthlings if their previous estimates were lower than the current ones. On the other side, Earthlings sometimes can estimate that an opponent who can suppress his ki is actually hiding large reserves of power. In other words, it can be simultaneously more accurate then scouters and less accurate than scouters. Its funny that way because its based on feeling and instinct.

As for powering up, that's basically a routine for focusing the effectiveness of their power. When Earhlings do it, they also typically stop suppressing their power, besides starting to focus the effectiveness of their power. Beings who don't suppress their power just start to actively use their power and focus their effectiveness.

[RandomGuy96]

Bojack's crew vs four cell juniors.

[dbzfan7]

bojack's crew vs four cell juniors.

I think I have to side with the Cell Juniors. Bojacks crew can win if they can team up on them and destroy each one at a time.

[Saiga]

I'm also going to side with the Cell Juniors. Gokua was easily killed by Super Saiyan Trunks, who should still be weaker than a Cell Junior.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, Bojack's flunkies' specialty seems to be teamwork against a stronger opponent. In one-on-one or group-vs-group battles against foes possibly stronger than them, they're not going to fare as well.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm also going to side with the Cell Juniors. Gokua was easily killed by Super Saiyan Trunks, who should still be weaker than a Cell Junior.

Kogu was basically the Raditz of the group though. Piccolo could've easily tooled him, while Bido and Zangya seemed to stronger than Vegeta and Trunks.

What about Bojack's crew vs 3 Cell Juniors, since Kogu's basically dead weight? Or Bojack's crew vs 2 Cell Juniors?

[Pantalones]

They could possibly beat the two Cell Junior team, though they might still have a lot of trouble with three of them. Depends on whether or not they can regenerate (and how well), I guess. This is assuming the other three of Bojack's gang are still weaker than Cell Juniors despite being stronger than Gokua and Vegeta/Trunks, anyway; the strongest I could really see them being is about equal to a Cell Junior, since the Bojack movie pretty much mirrors the Cell Games (minions beat up weaker fighters, Gohan can't bring himself to fight very well, only a few of the others are keeping up with the minions, Gohan goes SSj2 and kills every remaining minion plus the boss himself.)

If the kids have the same ridiculous regeneration as Dad, Bojack's gang would probably lose horribly against any more than two at a time; they'd need to gang up on them to pull off a blast powerful enough to overcome that kind of regeneration and destroy them, and with three or four Cell Juniors around that wouldn't be possible.

If they only have Piccolo-esque regeneration that eats up huge quantities of their energy and can't bring back their heads, Bojack's gang has a much better chance, though they'd still be outmatched against four Cell Juniors due to Gokua being so much weaker than the other three that Trunks (who could only barely keep up with a Cell Jr. for a little while) managed to kill him easily.

If the kids can't regenerate, I could see Bojack's gang beating two Cell Juniors without too much trouble, three with a decent fight, and four after an epic battle that probably would result in Gokua dying and maybe one or two others being at least moderately injured in the process.

[RandomGuy96]

I'd go with the Cell Juniors in three vs four.

Kogu is fodder, the Raditz of the group, so he gets one-shotted by a Cell Junior. Zangya seemed to be about on par with Trunks in their brief struggle, and Trunks was a good bit below a Cell Junior, as he was barley keeping up with one that was playing around. Bujin and Bido, I'm not sure, but I assume that at best they're both Cell Junior level. Those stunning wire things could be a problem, but it doesn't work as well when your enemy and you have the same number of fighters. That, plus the Cell Juniors techniques and regenerative abilities I think would let them win.

With two, Bojack's crew would probably win, as Bido can simply square off against one Junior while Zangya, Kogu, and Bujin work together and do that wire stun thing on the second. After its dead, they can repeat it on the other Junior, who Bido should be even with.

[Kamiccolo9]

Raditz vs two Saibamen.

[rereboy]

Raditz is killed. The Saibamen have pretty much the same power as him. He is a better fighter than them, which is why he would most likely win against just one despite their power being pretty much equal, but against two at the same time, he would be overwhelmed.

[Kaboom]

In just a clash of raw power, the Saibaimen would most likely take Raditz out. Picture two 100% Freezas fighting Super Saiyan Goku. But Raditz is smarter and presumably more skilled than any given fast-grown little plant monster, so he might still be able to win. I'd say the Saibaimen would win something like 2 out of 3 times.

[RandomGuy96]

Raditz is 1500 and the Saibamen are 1200 each. With power that close, two would be more than enough to overwhelm him. Even one would at least be able to draw him, as one was able to suicide bomb and kill Saiyan Saga Yamcha, who was just as strong as Raditz, and Raditz was demonstrated to be an arrogant type who doesn't finish his enemies off when he should.

[MDSTSSJ]

Raditz vs two Saibamen.

Raditz win because he knows about Saibaman and his techniques. Besides, knowing how strong they are, surely he fight them seriously.

[TheMightyOzaru]

1 saibaman turns Kamikaze and the other one is left standing. Saibamen win.