"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Abel Taylor]

The chapter looked great, but the power presentation is a bit different. I like the drawings more here, but the anime did it better in my mind. The SSB Kaioken was great. I did like SSG and SS though. Also, Toyotaro draws Hit weird. The anime really handled this better, with Hit's strength and Time-Skip being as great as they were and the SSB Kaioken which I love so much

[Xeztin]

Transforming to show off for Cabba rended him to around 1/10 his full power against Hit. - DevlisCorpse on the matter.

So Vegeta isn't weaker, he just lost a lot of power during the fight against Cabbe ?

From what I understand, he's still weaker but even without SSG he is not far behind. It seems you can obtain God Ki from the ritual, or skip SSG and get it from training with Whis. I think the only thing required for SSJB is God ki, not SSG the form itself. But it seems having SSG makes your SSJB stronger.

Edit - If Vegeta was just exhausted, I'm guessing normally Goku's SSG isn't stronger than Vegeta's SSJB and that their SSJB's are on par? or is Goku's SSJB still stronger than Vegeta's SSJB because Goku has SSG?

[Doctor.]

Transforming to show off for Cabba rended him to around 1/10 his full power against Hit.

Transforming into SSGSS burns through a lot of stamina and power. You can't use it multiple times in a row, even in short bursts. - DevlisCorpse on the matter.

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

I much prefer the anime version, even if it's nice to see Super Saiyan God again (even though it makes no sense, but whatever).

[Xeztin]

Transforming to show off for Cabba rended him to around 1/10 his full power against Hit.

Transforming into SSGSS burns through a lot of stamina and power. You can't use it multiple times in a row, even in short bursts. - DevlisCorpse on the matter.

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

I much prefer the anime version, even if it's nice to see Super Saiyan God again (even though it makes no sense, but whatever).

That happened in the anime while we never got a full version of RoF in the manga so you can disregard that while referring to the manga. I'm looking at both the manga and anime as two alternate takes on the same story. When you try to fit elements from one into the other it's going to cause confusion with contradictions

[Sodhi]

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

Yea this really is something I did not get, both in the manga and in the anime. Apparently Blue costs a lot of stamina issues, and they said exactly that to golden freeza?

[ArchedThunder]

Yeah, I'm not feeling the new chapter... it was way too short, I don't like how Goku was straight up better than Hit (and Vegeta), the Super Saiyan God thing was weird and we didn't get the Kaioken hype.
I definitely feel like the God thing was Toyotaro's idea, if that was in Toriyama's outline Toei likely would have included it because it would mean more merchandise they could sell.

[Khin]

I was never a big fan of the Super Saiyan God form in Super, seeing how terrible it looked. So i'm glad TOEI went with Kaio-ken, which is miles better than Blue and SSG imo.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

From what I understood, only transforming drains their ki, while staying in that form doesn't drain their ki over time.

[Xeztin]

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

Yea this really is something I did not get, both in the manga and in the anime. Apparently Blue costs a lot of stamina issues, and they said exactly that to golden freeza?

RoF never happened in the manga it'd probably been a lot different compared to the anime.

[Noah]

Lol, and Toriyama said it would be cool if Toyotaro contributed to the story...

Welp, after the poor writing in Dragonball AF and SSG Goku > SSB Vegeta and no Kaioken, it should be clear that Toyotaro has no talent for writing.

Toyotaro is a retarded fella, I though he was one like us: hardcore fans that knows all the 42 volumes of the manga, point by point, quote chapters, pages and statements like the Bible itself, analyse everything plot and power related, but no... He's just a damned fool! It makes me angry that I thought before that he could help Toriyama avoiding plot holes through the story, but it seems I was wrong! It is possible that he also doesn't even know about Bra's existence either! How unfortunate.

[Khin]

But Vegeta only transformed into SSB twice, against Cabba and Hit. Which means Blue makes Vegeta 5x weaker every time he transforms. That's just way too much, and doesn't tie with Toriyama's comment on how Goku won't use SS2 and SS3 anymore because it drains his stamina a lot. It means Super Saiyan God is now a better form than Blue.

[Doctor.]

I don't like how the chapter made Hit a complete weakling. I much prefer the anime version and have been preferring it ever since Frost.

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

From what I understood, only transforming drains their ki, while staying in that form doesn't drain their ki over time.

If transforming drains 90% of their power, then the form is pretty much useless.

[Sodhi]

I don't like this at all. Makes them complete fucking hypocrites for getting all snarky at Golden Freeza.

Yea this really is something I did not get, both in the manga and in the anime. Apparently Blue costs a lot of stamina issues, and they said exactly that to golden freeza?

RoF never happened in the manga it'd probably been a lot different compared to the anime.

Until the training part it was quite similar to the movie though.

[Doctor.]

Lol, and Toriyama said it would be cool if Toyotaro contributed to the story...

Welp, after the poor writing in Dragonball AF and SSG Goku > SSB Vegeta and no Kaioken, it should be clear that Toyotaro has no talent for writing.

Toyotaro is a retarded fella, I though he was one like us: hardcore fans that knows all the 42 volumes of the manga, point by point, quote chapters, pages and statements like the Bible itself, analyse everything plot and power related, but no... He's just a damned fool! It makes me angry that I though before that he could help Toriyama avoiding plot holes through the story, but it seems I was wrong! It is possible that he also doesn't even know about Bra's existence either! How unfortunate.

Have you even read AF? That is complete utter garbage. I've always been saying that Toyotaro should in no way contribute to the story, but most people have always wanted him to, for some reason. He's a garbage writer and is only really talented as an artist.

[Xeztin]

Lol, and Toriyama said it would be cool if Toyotaro contributed to the story...

Welp, after the poor writing in Dragonball AF and SSG Goku > SSB Vegeta and no Kaioken, it should be clear that Toyotaro has no talent for writing.

Toyotaro is a retarded fella, I though he was one like us: hardcore fans that knows all the 42 volumes of the manga, point by point, quote chapters, pages and statements like the Bible itself, analyse anything plot and power related, but no... He's just a damned fool! It makes me angry that I though before that he could help Toriyama avoiding plot holes through the story, but it seems I was wrong! It is possible that he also doesn't even know about Bra's existence either! How unfortunate.

C'mon guy's don't knock Toyotaro, we're not even sure if it was his idea. SSG could have been the original plan from Toriyama himself, but Toei probably wanted a new form for the merch so they went with the Kaio-ken thing because SSG isn't new. Those two aura's doesn't look like something Toriyama would come up with.

[Khin]

Wouldn't Goku become about 5x weaker when he transformed into SSB as well ? Then whats the point of transforming to that form in the first place ? Unless SSG is now more than 5x weaker than SSB.

[sintzu]

I'm looking at both the manga and anime as two alternate takes on the same story. When you try to fit elements from one into the other it's going to cause confusion with contradictions

Look at RF, in the movie Goku was in control of both fights while in the anime Freeza was equal to him in their 1st fight and was stronger than him in their 2nd fight & in the manga him and Vegeta might've fought together to take him down which makes him a lot stronger than we thought.

[Xeztin]

Lol, and Toriyama said it would be cool if Toyotaro contributed to the story...

Welp, after the poor writing in Dragonball AF and SSG Goku > SSB Vegeta and no Kaioken, it should be clear that Toyotaro has no talent for writing.

Toyotaro is a retarded fella, I though he was one like us: hardcore fans that knows all the 42 volumes of the manga, point by point, quote chapters, pages and statements like the Bible itself, analyse everything plot and power related, but no... He's just a damned fool! It makes me angry that I though before that he could help Toriyama avoiding plot holes through the story, but it seems I was wrong! It is possible that he also doesn't even know about Bra's existence either! How unfortunate.

Have you even read AF? That is complete utter garbage. I've always been saying that Toyotaro should in no way contribute to the story, but most people have always wanted him to, for some reason. He's a garbage writer and is only really talented as an artist.

AF's story wasn't written by Toyble or any of the characters in it, nothing was really his own idea. He took a bunch of ideas on the internet about "AF" and made it into one story, even Xicor wasn't his creation. I don't think Toyotaro is the type to write his own story, I think personally SSG was the original call from Toriyama while Toei wanted a new toy they could sell with the Kaio-Ken thing. I just can't see him making that drastic of a change if SSJB Kaio-ken was the original call.

[Bullza]

Is it possible that Toyotaro purposefully changed some things from Toriyama's plot outline so it wasn't so similar to the anime?

[pacz360]

This chapter doesn't makes hit look weak in this chapter while the anime had him going toe to toe with ssjb kkx10.