The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:31 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:1 saibaman turns Kamikaze and the other one is left standing. Saibamen win.
I doubt Raditz would let himself get Kamikazed though. He should know what the Saibamen are capable of.
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Post by Nikkolas » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:24 am

Krillin destroyed three of the things in one shot. He had a PL only a few hundred points higher than Raditz's. Even Yamcha was able to actually beat his Saibaman without too much trouble - it only got him by surprise.
I think Raditz should be able to kill one of them relatively quickly and once the numbers game is even, the winner is a no brainer.

How about a rematch...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Rocketman » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:27 am

Does this Yamcha remember seeing all of Tien's techniques?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:29 am

Nikkolas wrote:Krillin destroyed three of the things in one shot. He had a PL only a few hundred points higher than Raditz's. Even Yamcha was able to actually beat his Saibaman without too much trouble - it only got him by surprise.
I think Raditz should be able to kill one of them relatively quickly and once the numbers game is even, the winner is a no brainer.

How about a rematch...

Start of Z Yamcha vs. 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan
(177 vs. 180 and Yamcha has a lot of experience on his side by this point)
I think Tien has still got this. From what I can tell, he's a more skilled fighter, which actually makes a difference when opponents are this close. Also, I can see Yamcha panicking when Tien does his more exotic attacks, such as the 4 arms technique, the Taioken, and the Kikoho.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Gozar » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:32 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I think Tenshinhan has still got this. From what I can tell, he's a more skilled fighter, which actually makes a difference when opponents are this close. Also, I can see Yamcha panicking when Tenshinhan does his more exotic attacks, such as the 4 arms technique, the Taioken, and the Kikoho.
I agree. Yamcha comes up with some pretty neat moves, but overall he's not that skilled of a fighter compared to the others. Tenshinhan's arsenal of techniques simply outdoes anything that Yamcha would put out.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:06 am

Tien still stomps.

Eastern Supreme Kai vs Cell Junior.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:22 am

Kaioshin wins. He is implied to be stronger than Piccolo and Piccolo at least held out agaisnt "his" Cell jr.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:32 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Eastern Supreme Kai vs Cell Junior.
I think that they are about at the same level, but since Kaioshin can read minds, I'll give it to Kaioshin. Though it won't be an easy victory.
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Post by Nikkolas » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:43 am

Supreme Kai was vastly stronger than Piccolo and he has a paralysis move that could hold even Gohan in place. (was Gohan SSJ2 at the time? I forget. Either way...) This should be an easy win for him.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:23 pm

4th form Cooler vs Young Slug.
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:43 pm

I think Slug might more or less max out at around the power we saw Coola start with in Movie 5. So if Coola keeps himself at that level, it's an interesting and unpredictable fight. But if he uses a higher percentage of his power, then Slug is easily squashed.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:02 pm

Nikkolas wrote:Supreme Kai was vastly stronger than Piccolo and he has a paralysis move that could hold even Gohan in place. (was Gohan SSJ2 at the time? I forget. Either way...) This should be an easy win for him.
:problem: Piccolo paralysis is due to the presence of the Supreme Kaio, an entity that is very above him in terms of command chain. Vastly stronger? I don´t think so. I put Supreme Kaio maybe at SSJ1 full power level.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 pm

The guidebooks state that the Supreme Kai is far superior to Piccolo. And actually making him on par with one of the Cell Games FPSS fighters (Goku or Gohan) would still make him vastly stronger than Piccolo.

On Cooler versus young Slug: young Slug was the one King Kai stated was stronger than Freeza, right? I'd think that he'd win against normal Cooler, who I see as slightly stronger than Freeza in the same form. If he's allowed to do what Freeza did and bulk up, I'd see him and young Slug as near equals. But I'd give the win to Cooler, despite his potential stamina problem, because of his Supernova.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:41 pm

MDSTSSJ wrote: :problem: Piccolo paralysis is due to the presence of the Supreme Kaio, an entity that is very above him in terms of command chain. Vastly stronger? I don´t think so. I put Supreme Kaio maybe at SSJ1 full power level.
Piccolo said that Kaioshin was much stronger than him.
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Post by MDSTSSJ » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:58 pm

The two Saiyans for the Mind Travel Time ( Kamisama training Saiyan Arc ) Vs Piccolo and Kakarotto ( Saiyan Arc Raditz time )

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:03 pm

MDSTSSJ wrote:The two Saiyans for the Mind Travel Time ( Kamisama training Saiyan Arc ) Vs Piccolo and Kakarotto ( Saiyan Arc Raditz time )
The two Saiyans. Weren't they said to be even stronger than Raditz?
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:37 pm

I think it said they were half as strong as Nappa and Vegeta, so 2000 and 9000
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:40 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:I think it said they were half as strong as Nappa and Vegeta, so 2000 and 9000
I thought it was something like that. Goku and Piccolo get stomped.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:43 pm

Dai Kaioshin vs. Dabura
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:52 pm

Polyphase Avatron wrote:Dai Kaioshin vs. Dabura
There's really no way to tell. We have no idea about the Dai Kaioshin's strength. In the anime, he manages to put up a decent fight against Buff Buu though, so I guess I'll give it to him, purely based off that.
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