MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 4/13/26!)

[Kid Buu]

His abilities are uninteresting? He is the only one with unique abilities!

Oh and Goken, Goku had no connection to Daimao either, so I don't see the issue there. Apparently Goku does care about Chaozu according to Toriyama, so I don't see why the inverse is impossible.

EDIT: One more thing, will you be reviewing the live-action DB films too?

[Doctor.]

Paralysis is an uninteresting ability. It wouldn't involve much hand to hand combat, which is what I prefer, nor spam fests of beams, which are cool to look at too. It's just, eh...

[TheGmGoken]

Goku had no connection to Daimao either,

Yes, Goku does have connection. Piccolo's son was sent to kill Krillin(actually to get Martial arts list) and Piccolo "killed" Roshi(Roshi was suicide sorta). In your idea Chazou didn't die and thus Ten has no connection. In good writing he shouldn't kill Piccolo. His role was fine as it was (setting him up as the future. Which failed). Chazou has no reason to help. No point in the manga specifically that arc implies Chazou cares for Goku. Maybe after that arc but Chazou has no business being in the final fight. Chazou role was perfect as well(in which Piccolo kills Chaozu and thus Ten has a connection to the main villain). Just like the arc. No need for a rewrite.

Chazou abilities and design bore me. His weakness is "cool". But physic stuff ain't interesting IMO. Blue , Chazou, and Gurd abilities all suck and very predictable. Either two things happen. They get distracted (Mouse for blue and Math for Chaozu.) or sneak attack from behind.

Back to hiatus

[Kid Buu]

Tambourine kills Krillin, and Goku avenges him. Does Goku even know that Roshi committed suicide? What connection does Gohan have to someone like Cell then, going by your logic?

As for Chaozu going after Goku in my version. Bulma, Lunch, and Yamcha are wondering what happened to Goku after he left, and send off Chaozu as he is the only one who can fly/fight. I don't see really see what the problem is there.

[Doctor.]

Tambourine kills Krillin, and Goku avenges him. Does Goku even know that Roshi committed suicide?

Karin told him.

What connection does Gohan have to someone like Cell then, going by your logic?

Cell was tormenting everyone of his friends with the Cell Jrs and later his father died.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah, that stuff happened AFTER the fight began. There's no connection between Yajirobe and Vegeta either, yet I don't see anyone complaining about that.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, that stuff happened AFTER the fight began. There's no connection between Yajirobe and Vegeta either, yet I don't see anyone complaining about that.

Fighting a villain and defeating a villain are two different things. That stuff that happened just made it obvious that Gohan should be the one to kill Cell. Nobody complains about Yajirobe and Vegeta because Yajirobe didn't defeat Vegeta.

For example, say Freeza didn't kill anyone on Namek. Would you have a problem with, perhaps, Kuririn or Vegeta killing him? No, right? Now say that Freeza, after killing Kuririn, is defeated by Vegeta. Wouldn't be as good as Goku defeating him instead.

[Kid Buu]

Seriously bro? I even said, in my original post, that Goku/Tenshinhan/Chaozu Vs Daimao would be VERY MUCH like the Saiyan Arc's final three on one battle. Goku would still spear Daimao like he did in Toriyama's version (which I said), only that he would have had help form Ten and Chaozu during the fight like Gohan did with Yajirobe and Kuririn against Vegeta. So no, there isn't a different between Yajirobe in that battle and Chaozu in that fight.

[TheGmGoken]

Yeah, that stuff happened AFTER the fight began. There's no connection between Yajirobe and Vegeta either, yet I don't see anyone complaining about that.

Cell connection with Gohan was caused by Goku. The concept here is much different than Piccolo Arc. Piccolo arc was pretty much revenge of Son Goku with multiple sub plots. The whole point of the Cell Games portion was to set up Gohan as the strongest fighter but funny enough he doesn't like fighting. Gohan was a surprise. "What!? Goku ain't the strongest!? You gotta be kidding me. Gohan going to take his place!? Gohan who doesn't even enjoy fighting is supposed to beat Cell?". Goku even explained this in the manga when he told Piccolo. The arc is not the same theme or "story" of the Piccolo arc. Stop treating it as such. Things between Cell and Gohan then got personal with Cell Jrs and Goku dying. Thus creating two connections. However you can argue that Goku death was a sub plot compared to the overall point of Gohan being the strongest.

Yajroibe had no connection with Vegeta? Yajroibe trained and surpass Kami. Yajroibe allies (not nesscary friends) died . Yajroibe has a connection with Vegeta. Not a strong one but a basic connection.

In your rewritten Damaio Piccolo arc, you said "Worried for Goku, Chaozu goes to find him". No where did it say Bulma sent him. Thus I'm judging it by how you wrote it. You shouldn't get so offended. Someone probably likes your version. I just so happen to not. I find it underwhelming, boring, no moment of lost, and just plain up bad. That's my opinion. There's nothing wrong with the Piccolo Damaio arc IMO. However IMO your version there's a lot wrong with it.

Goku/Tenshinhan/Chaozu Vs Daimao would be VERY MUCH like the Saiyan Arc's final three on one battle

Then people would say Saiyan arc a rehash of Piccolo arc. Similar to Gaffer RRA and Piccolo arc comparison.

I wouldn't mind Ten beating Drum. But he has NO business in the final fight. Piccolo indirectly killed two of Goku best friends. Goku should do it 1v1 against the murderer. Hence why he screamed their name. It wouldn't had felt special if someone helped during the entire fight.

[Kid Buu]

If you are counting Yajirobe/Vegeta as a connection then both Tenshinhan/Chaozu have one to Daimao. Daimao wants martial artists killed, and those two are martial arts.

Being rehash of Saiyan Arc? Well the fight choreography would be different. Also Tenshinhan has no business being in the main fight? You do realize, even in the original version, he played a big role in it right?

[TheGmGoken]

I acknowledge that at the end of my post.

It wouldn't had felt special if someone helped during the entire fight.

Notice I made it clear to say entire fight as even in the original Ten interferes at least twice I believe. Ten also was held hostage which led into a cheap shot by Piccolo to Goku. So I did acknowledge it. Don't know why you assume that I didn't.

I never said that Ten and Chaozu had no connection with Piccolo. I said in your version there's no connection as you didn't say Piccolo motives. I'm judging by what you wrote. You also seem to forget I've mentioned subplots. Ten connection with Daimao was a sub plot. Ten connection after Chaozu died was a higher up sub plot. Sub plots can lead into the major plot you know. The sub plot is Piccolo taking over the world and killing martial artist. That lead into the main setup of Goku revenge.

I don't know why you're so offended by people not liking your ideas.

[Kamiccolo9]

Goken, he's not offended by you not liking his idea, he just looks like he's annoyed at you showing up every time these characters are mentioned to go on and on about how you don't like them.

And your argument doesn't even apply here. Kid Buu posted an alternate way the arc could have gone down. Replying that these characters aren't r shouldn't be relevant due to how the arc was ultimately written has nothing to do with this hypothetical that Kid Buu is talking about.

[Kamiccolo9]

Deleted, double post.

[Saiga]

I have to agree that Chaozu's abilities are boring though. Being unique isn't the same as being interesting, and they're the kind of thing that only remain novel for a short while.

[Kid Buu]

Hey Gaffer Tape, I noticed that when you talk about Oolong joining the group, it is mentioned that he never mistreated the girls. Now I'm jumping the gun here, but I'm assuming you are talking about how earlier villains like Tenshinhan weren't truly evil, compared to Vegeta's acceptance to the group. However, later on, Oolong tries to rape Bulma and the only reason he doesn't go through with it is because of Yamcha's interference. That is pretty evil to me.

[RandomGuy96]

I have to agree that Chaozu's abilities are boring though. Being unique isn't the same as being interesting, and they're the kind of thing that only remain novel for a short while.

Yeah, if Chaozu was relevant, every fight would just become him freezing the enemy and then kicking them to death/letting someone else kick them to death. If he doesn't immediately do it, everyone in the audience will be thinking "why isn't Chaozu freezing him?".

[Kid Buu]

[FoolsGil]

The problem wasn't that Chaozu was too novel or too unique. The problem was Toryama wrote by the seat of his pants and it backfired on him. His only thought with Chaozu was to have a mirror version of Krillin, as Tenshinhan is a mirror version of Yamcha and Tsuru/Shen is a mirror version of Master Roshi. Then for a creep factor he tied Chaozu to the Jiangshi. That's pretty much it, in hindsight Chaozu should have been a one off, or planned better for use in the long term.

[matt0044]

I have to agree that Chaozu's abilities are boring though. Being unique isn't the same as being interesting, and they're the kind of thing that only remain novel for a short while.

Yeah, if Chaozu was relevant, every fight would just become him freezing the enemy and then kicking them to death/letting someone else kick them to death. If he doesn't immediately do it, everyone in the audience will be thinking "why isn't Chaozu freezing him?".

He did attempt this on Nappa… and we all know how well that went.

Personally, I think Chaozu and Tien would've been better off as one-offs as stated above.

[Kid Buu]

Hey Gaffer Tape, do you know what episode this GIF is from?