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Re: DBZ portion of Manga to be in full color?!

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:10 pm

Yep. The Full Color Edition is far better than the black & white.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:17 pm

So do these comics cover the entire manga? Are they shortened versions? Did i waste my money on the Vizbigs?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:21 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:So do these comics cover the entire manga? Are they shortened versions? Did i waste my money on the Vizbigs?
It covers the entire manga, but Cell & Boo arcs are not released yet.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:23 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:So do these comics cover the entire manga? Are they shortened versions? Did i waste my money on the Vizbigs?
It covers the entire manga, but Cell & Boo arcs are not released yet.
Is it uncensored and use proper names and translation?
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:27 pm

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:So do these comics cover the entire manga? Are they shortened versions? Did i waste my money on the Vizbigs?
It covers the entire manga, but Cell & Boo arcs are not released yet.
Is it uncensored and use proper names and translation?
From what I hear, the Viz translation is the same old one, and the only censorship in the art is only on Mr. Popo's lips, I think. But others should know more, since I don't own them.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:32 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote: From what I hear, the Viz translation is the same old one, and the only censorship in the art is only on Mr. Popo's lips, I think. But others should know more, since I don't own them.
Well i'm not sure how much violence was censored on the vizbigs or if any of it was. The only uncensorship i'm talking about is mainly in the translation. I don't care about nudity or middle fingers.
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Post by Cold Skin » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:34 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote: Is it uncensored and use proper names and translation?
From what I hear, the Viz translation is the same old one, and the only censorship in the art is only on Mr. Popo's lips, I think. But others should know more, since I don't own them.
There's a good chance it'll be exactly like what's shown on the US Jump and on the Mangapolo English videos, so yeah, unless there's a sudden twist, you're right: Viz translation + no censorship except for Popo's lips to avoid racism accusations.

We'll have confirmation of this whevever a chapter will come up with someone giving the finger or nudity (but I don't think there's any nudity to censor in the Z part of the manga).
The language should be exactly what it was in the updated Viz translation, so anyone who has some volume of the manga should be able to answer you about that.

As a an exclusive bonus asset, the US version will have the size of a comic, which makes it even bigger than Vizbigs, fully colorized and likely 99% uncensored (again, only exception: Popo's lips, but the violence should be 100% there).
So yeah, if those info remain correct once it's released, I can only advice American fans to buy it without thinking twice! Vizbigs have lost this battle.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:42 pm

Cold Skin wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote: Is it uncensored and use proper names and translation?
From what I hear, the Viz translation is the same old one, and the only censorship in the art is only on Mr. Popo's lips, I think. But others should know more, since I don't own them.
There's a good chance it'll be exactly like what's shown on the US Jump and on the Mangapolo English videos, so yeah, unless there's a sudden twist, you're right: Viz translation + no censorship except for Popo's lips to avoid racism accusations.

We'll have confirmation of this whevever a chapter will come up with someone giving the finger or nudity (but I don't think there's any nudity to censor in the Z part of the manga).
The language should be exactly what it was in the updated Viz translation, so anyone who has some volume of the manga should be able to answer you about that.

As a an exclusive bonus asset, the US version will have the size of a comic, which makes it even bigger than Vizbigs, fully colorized and likely 99% uncensored (again, only exception: Popo's lips, but the violence should be 100% there).
So yeah, if those info remain correct once it's released, I can only advice American fans to buy it without thinking twice! Vizbigs have lost this battle.
So are we getting an uncensored translation? From what I know the violence is the same in the vizbigs. I don't think the vizbig censored any violence. The only interesting thing to me here is the possible uncensored dialogue and color. I don't really care about nudity, middle fingers, and all that.
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Post by Cold Skin » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:07 pm

dbzfan7 wrote: So are we getting an uncensored translation? From what I know the violence is the same in the vizbigs. I don't think the vizbig censored any violence. The only interesting thing to me here is the possible uncensored dialogue and color. I don't really care about nudity, middle fingers, and all that.
Well, it seems the translation will remain exactly the same, word for word.
So if it was uncensored in the Vizbigs, it should be uncensored in the Full Color Manga as well. And if it was censored in the Vizbigs, it should stay the same for the Full Color Manga.

If you know about a specific moment that will show you if it's uncensored or not, search for the Mangapolo channel on Youtube: most Saiyans chapters can be viewed with the exact text and picture they will show in the US physical release!
Find a moment where the character is supposed to say something that could be censored (Nappa getting mad at Goku? Krilin getting mad for Yamcha's death? Vegeta getting mad at Goku's Triple Kaioken?), and you'll see if that's the case or not.

Unfortunately, I can't check it out myself because those English videos of the Mangapolo Youtube channel are locked to anyone outside the US.
So I'm afraid I can't give you the answer directly, all I can do is point you the right direction to find out yourself. :?

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:18 pm

Cold Skin wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote: So are we getting an uncensored translation? From what I know the violence is the same in the vizbigs. I don't think the vizbig censored any violence. The only interesting thing to me here is the possible uncensored dialogue and color. I don't really care about nudity, middle fingers, and all that.
Well, it seems the translation will remain exactly the same, word for word.
So if it was uncensored in the Vizbigs, it should be uncensored in the Full Color Manga as well. And if it was censored in the Vizbigs, it should stay the same for the Full Color Manga.

If you know about a specific moment that will show you if it's uncensored or not, search for the Mangapolo channel on Youtube: most Saiyans chapters can be viewed with the exact text and picture they will show in the US physical release!
Find a moment where the character is supposed to say something that could be censored (Nappa getting mad at Goku? Krilin getting mad for Yamcha's death? Vegeta getting mad at Goku's Triple Kaioken?), and you'll see if that's the case or not.

Unfortunately, I can't check it out myself because those English videos of the Mangapolo Youtube channel are locked to anyone outside the US.
So I'm afraid I can't give you the answer directly, all I can do is point you the right direction to find out yourself. :?
I'm outside the US.
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Post by Cold Skin » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:30 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
Cold Skin wrote: If you know about a specific moment that will show you if it's uncensored or not, search for the Mangapolo channel on Youtube: most Saiyans chapters can be viewed with the exact text and picture they will show in the US physical release!
Find a moment where the character is supposed to say something that could be censored (Nappa getting mad at Goku? Krilin getting mad for Yamcha's death? Vegeta getting mad at Goku's Triple Kaioken?), and you'll see if that's the case or not.

Unfortunately, I can't check it out myself because those English videos of the Mangapolo Youtube channel are locked to anyone outside the US.
So I'm afraid I can't give you the answer directly, all I can do is point you the right direction to find out yourself. :?
I'm outside the US.
Oh, so the only way to actually know would be to get an answer from someone who owns the US manga or has read the English chapters of the Full Color Manga.
But I truly think that nothing will be censored as far as words go, they must talk about death and hell and say profanities normally ("bastard", "asshole", "shit", "fuck", etc, just like in the French version I guess).

I'm sure any censorship will be on the pictures themselves, and I'm optimistic that even on that level, the only thing censored will be Popo's lips because the racial thing is the only thing that's still a problematic subject (I wonder what will happen to Colonel Black's similar lips though, if they ever go back to the beginning of the story).

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Post by Insertclevername » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:32 am

They say "fuck" in the French version?
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Insertclevername wrote:They say "fuck" in the French version?
Not as far as I remember, but there are translations that would be similar to "Shit!"

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dbzfan7 wrote:
Cold Skin wrote:Unfortunately, I can't check it out myself because those English videos of the Mangapolo Youtube channel are locked to anyone outside the US.
So I'm afraid I can't give you the answer directly, all I can do is point you the right direction to find out yourself. :?
I'm outside the US.
ProxTube is your friend then.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Cold Skin » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:02 pm

sangofe wrote:
Insertclevername wrote:They say "fuck" in the French version?
Not as far as I remember, but there are translations that would be similar to "Shit!"
Well, they'll say "Merde !!" which encompasses all "Crap!"/"Shit!"/"Fuck!" you can say, there's no higher level than that in French, so you take the highest level in English too and Nappa completely losing it yells "Fuck, fuck, fuck, FUUUUUCK!!!" to us.
Honestly, though "Fuck!" is supposedly more vulgar than "Shit!", I think both belong to the vulgar stuff, whether it's one or the other is the same, you're not gonna scold a kid for saying "Fuck!" and when he says "Shit!" say "ah, much better, now that's the right way to speak!". :)

But yeah, they go all the way in French (the Perfect Edition / Kanzenban, not the previous translation), saying the max you could say in our language ("connard", "sale gosse de merde", "p'tit con", etc...).
So you have Piccolo yelling about Gohan's inactivity against Nappa "Sale gosse de merde !!" which would translate as "you little piece of shit!!" or "fuckin' brat!!", Vegeta being beaten all over by Triple Kaioken yells "Connard !!" ("Sick bastard!!" / "Asshole!!") and so does Krilin when Vegeta comments on Yamcha's dead body, and Vegeta says to Trunks who tried to destroy the cyborgs "P'tit con!" ("You're an ass!"), etc...

So I guess it's the same with Viz, they must use "Oh fuck!", "you asshole!" and such...
However, Goku will usually not say such things even in the worst situations, which is explained as an alternative way to remain faithful to the way he speaks in Japanese that is not compatible in our language (instead of his kind nature transpiring through his use of kiddish vocab - which would just make him sound like a retard in our language -, the translation chooses that his natural kindness can be shown through the fact that he has a very cool and relaxed, yet always polite language, avoiding vulgar words even in the toughest situations).

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:16 pm

And, finally, MangaPolo has completed the series from the first chapter, to the final chapter of Saiyan arc (with Saiyan arc in both Japanese & English)!
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And, finally, MangaPolo has completed the series from the first chapter, to the final chapter of Saiyan arc (with Saiyan arc in both Japanese & English)!
Nope, there's still more to go! 8)
They reduced the pace so that it keeps going on until the end of the week, publishing only chapter 49 of the Saiyan arc today, but there's still chapter 50 (Thursday) and chapter 51 (Friday) before they're done with the Saiyans! :)

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:41 am

Wrong... Saiyan arc goes up to chapter 49, since they begun doing the Freeza arc!!! :o
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:28 am

Well unless pronouns change and the writing gets more accurate, then I don't see a reason for me to abandon the VizBig's and go for these. The violence is the same as looking at the VizBigs it's still gruesome and if it's this bad I don't see it getting worse.
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Post by Cold Skin » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:37 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Wrong... Saiyan arc goes up to chapter 49, since they begun doing the Freeza arc!!! :o
Ah, it seems you're right since the next chapter counts as Freezer.

According to Kanzenshuu, the Full-Color Saiyan Arc goes to chapter 51 included, that's where the physical Full-Color Manga ends for the Saiyans (Volume 3 covers chapters 35 to 51).
The Freezer Arc starts only with the chapter about Vegeta revived. But with Mangapolo, it starts with "Saiyan chapter 50" included instead.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/manga/full-color/

We knew the chapters were not the same between the original Tankobon and the digital Tankobon but this seems to prove that the chapters are not organized the same between the Full-Color physical release and the digital colorized Tankobon either!

So much for their "we're not planning on doing Freezer" a few weeks ago, but I'm pretty glad it turns out this way! :wink:
I will be deprived of Internet connection for the next three weeks, but I should have a way to still get the videos to do my previews.
But I hope you'll keep the Freezer videos just in case I fail due to something unexpected!! :wink:

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