What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

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Re: What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

Post by sintzu » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:09 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Dragon Ball Z had four transformations (not counting fusion) that actually alter the character's appearance... four in 291 episodes.
2 actually, Ssj1 & Ssj3.

Ssj2 was just Ssj with an electric aura that wasn't even drawn during the end.

The grade forms were just the characters altering the size of their muscles which is something the humans and Cell could do so they weren't forms at all.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:53 pm

Now we know that SS2 was a power-up from 1, but we didn't back them. I meant that for the heroes there was Super Saiyan 1-3 and Gohan's form which barely changed his appearance.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:47 am

Twist it however you want guys, Shueisha acknowledges 6 new Saiyan forms in DBZ: Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan Grade 2, Super Saiyan Grade 3, Super Saiyan Full Power, Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3. If you add the movies, there is also Pseudo Super Saiyan, Broli's restricted Super Saiyan, Legendary Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, and Super Saiyan Blue.
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Post by nite_jay » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:07 am

Yeah twisting it to say there were only 2 forms is weird, especially now when the series itself seperates SSJ, SSJ2, and all of those forms inbetween. I would just leave it as there being 3 main SSJ forms and some sub-forms.

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Post by Noah » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:21 am

Fem Broly... I'm speechless
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Post by Doctor. » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:22 am

Noah wrote:Fem Broly... I'm speechless
People asked for Broly, Super delivered.

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Post by TheZFighter » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:48 am

Super Saiyan forms are something I've always had a bit of an issue with. Super Saiyan was a great moment, and I thought the "failed attempts" to achieve a higher grade of Super Saiyan were quite interesting (Ultra Super Saiyan or whatever). Super Saiyan 2 was okay in the sense that it could've been Gohan's moment to take over from Goku, but the form itself is a little "meh".

It all got a bit stupid after this in terms of characters achieving the Super Saiyan form. Goku, great, Vegeta, great, Future Trunks, great, Gohan, fine, but Trunks and Goten? Devalued it a little bit in MY OPINION. Then we have Super Saiyan 3. Goku transforming into Super Saiyan 3 on screen for the first time was another amazing moment, but in terms of new forms of Super Saiyan, that was more than enough for me.

Now, onto the question asked... Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Forget everything else surrounding this form, the name infuriates me. It is the lamest thing I've ever heard, and saying it out loud makes me embarrassed to still be following this series. Fortunately many call it Super Saiyan Blue now, but that name urgh...

In terms of forms, I hope this is as far as it goes, but I hold out little hope. I'm expecting Super Saiyan Blue 2, Super Saiyan Blue 3, Super Saiyan Purple, Super Saiyan Green, Super Saiyan White, etc...
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:33 am

Doctor. wrote:
Noah wrote:Fem Broly... I'm speechless
People asked for Broly, Super delivered.
This is simultaneously the best and worst thing ever and I don't even think I am mad!

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:19 pm

I will laugh if her name is Brolyn, and they make absolutely no references to Broly.
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:40 pm

Noah wrote:Fem Broly... I'm speechless
Nah, that's Super admitting its a piece of shit, FemBroly earns its existence just for that alone.
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Post by sintzu » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:30 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I will laugh if her name is Brolyn, and they make absolutely no references to Broly.
I'll laugh even harder if Goku or someone else says she looks like Broly.

Not only will they have given us a new Broly but also make movie 8 and 10 canon.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:34 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:I will laugh if her name is Brolyn, and they make absolutely no references to Broly.
I'll laugh even harder if Goku or someone else says she looks like Broly.

Not only will they have given us a new Broly but also make movie 8 and 10 canon.
That would create so many continuity issues. Especially with making Movie 10 fit into the timeline.

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:38 pm

The problem with Movie 10 is the unexplained Vegeta and Piccolo's absence, and Shenlong can grant wish without being summoned.

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Post by sintzu » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:40 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Noah wrote:Fem Broly... I'm speechless
Nah, that's Super admitting its a piece of shit, FemBroly earns its existence just for that alone.
Brolyne is them anouncing that Super will forever be living in Z's shadow.
Lord Beerus wrote:That would create so many continuity issues.

Especially with making Movie 10 fit into the timeline.
We've already got a lot of issues, I don't think they'll care to add 1 or 2 more.

M10 takes place before the torunament but after Videl learns how to fly.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:59 pm

sintzu wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Noah wrote:Fem Broly... I'm speechless
Nah, that's Super admitting its a piece of shit, FemBroly earns its existence just for that alone.
Brolyne is them anouncing that Super will forever be living in Z's shadow.
Lord Beerus wrote:That would create so many continuity issues.

Especially with making Movie 10 fit into the timeline.
We've already got a lot of issues, I don't think they'll care to add 1 or 2 more.

M10 takes place before the torunament but after Videl learns how to fly.
Movie 10 can't work because Videl knows what the Dragon Balls are in that movie. And she's only informed about what the Dragon Balls are after Majin Boo is released.

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Lord Beerus wrote:
sintzu wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: Nah, that's Super admitting its a piece of shit, FemBroly earns its existence just for that alone.
Brolyne is them anouncing that Super will forever be living in Z's shadow.
Lord Beerus wrote:That would create so many continuity issues.

Especially with making Movie 10 fit into the timeline.
We've already got a lot of issues, I don't think they'll care to add 1 or 2 more.

M10 takes place before the torunament but after Videl learns how to fly.
Movie 10 can't work because Videl knows what the Dragon Balls are in that movie. And she's only informed about what the Dragon Balls are after Majin Boo is released.
And vol 33 cannot work because of vol. 35. That is Dragon Ball.
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Post by sintzu » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:05 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Movie 10 can't work because Videl knows what the Dragon Balls are in that movie. And she's only informed about what the Dragon Balls are after Majin Boo is released.
They've done a lot worse.

In the BOG arc Beerus says he needed 10% of his power to stop Vegeta yet he's stronger than a SsjB, Kaioken ×10 Goku who trained with Whis for ayear or so and with Vegeta for 3 years.

That's one example of the many issues Super doesn't have a problem doing.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:30 pm

sintzu wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: Movie 10 can't work because Videl knows what the Dragon Balls are in that movie. And she's only informed about what the Dragon Balls are after Majin Boo is released.
They've done a lot worse.

In the BOG arc Beerus says he needed 10% of his power to stop Vegeta yet he's stronger than a SsjB, Kaioken ×10 Goku who trained with Whis for ayear or so and with Vegeta for 3 years.

That's one example of the many issues Super doesn't have a problem doing.
The 10% line in the anime was practically retconned out following the events in the Champa/Universe 6 arc. Dragon Ball has a long history of treading on its own toes.

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Post by Gog » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:22 pm

sintzu wrote: 2 actually, Ssj1 & Ssj3.

Ssj2 was just Ssj with an electric aura that wasn't even drawn during the end.

The grade forms were just the characters altering the size of their muscles which is something the humans and Cell could do so they weren't forms at all.
No, I'm sorry to say but you missed out on Super Saiyan Grade 2, Super Saiyan Grade 3, Super Saiyan Full Power, Super Saiyan 2.

and even then the Super Saiyan form is prehaps the most boring transformation in the entire series. With only Super Saiyan 3 as the redeeming factor

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Post by sintzu » Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:58 pm

Gog wrote:No, I'm sorry to say but you missed out on Super Saiyan Grade 2, Super Saiyan Grade 3, Super Saiyan Full Power, Super Saiyan 2.
Grade 2 & 3 are exactly what Roshi used to do, even Cell can do it.

Full power is just what it's called in the guied books, in the anime and manga it isn't called anything other than Ssj1.

Ssj2 is Ssj1 with an electric aura which isn't even drawn in the later part of the Z anime and GT.

Ssj1, Ssj2, Ssj FP & the grade forms are basically the same form.
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