Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ahill1]

Can I speak portuguese sometimes? I'm tired of talking only in English.

[Kamiccolo9]

Can I speak portuguese sometimes? I'm tired of talking only in English.

I'm not sure what kind of responses you're expecting to get when the majority of the forum doesn't have a clue what you're saying. If you just feel like typing in Portuguese, why do it here?

[Darkron2151]

What powers do you guys have for:

Freeza Fight

• Krillin
  Gohan
  Gohan (Zenkai)
  Vegeta
  Vegeta (Zenkai)
  Piccolo (Pre-Fusion)
  Piccolo (Post-Fusion)
  Freeza (2nd Form)
  Freeza (3rd Form)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

What powers do you guys have for:

Freeza Fight

Krillin: 360,000 (rises up to and peaks at 400,000 gradually as the fight continues)

Gohan: 400,000
-zenkai: 900,000

Vegeta: 500,000
-zenkai: 2,400,000

Piccolo: 280,000
-post-fusion: 1,400,000

Freeza (2nd form): 1,350,000
Freeza (3rd form): 1,800,000

[ahill1]

Kuririn 215,000

Gohan 250,000
~Zenkai 1,000,000

Vegeta 480,000 ~ 500,000
~Zenkai 3,000,000

Piccolo ( Weighted ) 275,000
~W/o weights 300,000
----Post assimilation
~Weighted 1,250,000
~W/o weights 1,500,000

Freeza 2nd form ( Initial ) 1,060,000
~Powered up 1,200,000
~Full Power 1,400,000

Freeza ( 3rd form ) 2,000,000

[Blackstripe]

Okay, though it's a video game, I wanted to do this little thing here:

Dabura - 1,650,000,000 = a little below SPC and SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Xeno Dabura - 6,350,000,000

Time Patrol Trunks - 16,000,000
SSJ - 800,000,000
SSJ2 - 1,600,000,000
SSJ3 - 6,500,000,000

For comparison:

SSJ3 Gokuu - 8,000,000,000
Fat Buu (Max power) - 5,000,000,000

[ZombieVito]

What powers do you guys have for:

Freeza Fight

• Krillin: 75,000
  Gohan: 200,000
  Gohan (Zenkai): 400,000
  Vegeta: 250,000
  Vegeta (Zenkai): 2,400,000
  Piccolo (Pre-Fusion): 120,000
  Piccolo (Post-Fusion): 1,200,000
  Freeza (2nd Form): 1,200,000
  Freeza (3rd Form): 1,800,000

[Kaboom]

What powers do you guys have for: Freeza Fight

Kuririn: 75,000 (official) at the start, probably past or at least pushing 100,000 upon his death.
Gohan: 200,000 (official) at the start, stronger when angry, probably around 300,000 after his healing boost.
Vegeta: 250,000 (official), somewhere between 2.3 and 2.5 million as a "Super Saiyan."
Piccolo: Around 1.5 million after merging with Nail, never bothered devising a a number for before that. Probably significantly weaker than everyone already fighting, though.
Freeza: 2nd form starts at 1.1 million and caps out around 1.5 million. 2nd form is around or a little over 2 million.

[RandomGuy96]

What powers do you guys have for: Freeza Fight

Kuririn: 75,000 (official) at the start, probably past or at least pushing 300,000 upon his death (way stronger than he was, still way weaker than 1st form Freeza).
Gohan: 200,000 (official) at the start, 400,000 later, 1,000,000 after more time and a zenkai. About x1.5 stronger whenever he's mad (so, 600,000 when he attacked 2nd form Freeza, and 1,500,000 when he attacked 3rd form Freeza).
Vegeta: 450,000 initially (up from 250,000 before he fought Freeza but after Ginyu), about 2.2 million as a "Super Saiyan".
Piccolo: 1.2 million after merging with Nail. Equally as strong as 2nd form Freeza, but a bit faster and more skilled. 1.05 million with those weights on, as little sense as that makes.
Freeza: 2nd form starts at 800,000 and caps out at 1.2 million, exactly 1% of his full power. 3rd form is at 1.8 million.

[Noah]

How would you guys compare Gotenks Pre and Post RoSaT?

Base Gotenks (Pre or Post) > Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan)?

SSJ Gotenks (Pre or Post) > SSJ2 or SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo?

Is there a big gap between SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan powers?

[Darkron2151]

How would you guys compare Gotenks Pre and Post RoSaT?

Base Gotenks (Pre or Post) > Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan)?

SSJ Gotenks (Pre or Post) > SSJ2 or SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo?

Is there a big gap between SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan powers?

If the fusion "formula" is linear (or in the least bit consistent), then Gotenks' gains from the ROSAT would be similar to that of Trunks and Gotens' increase. With that said, I don't see the kids surpassing their SSJ forms within a few weeks or so.

As far as SSJ, just enough to beat Fat But is fine with me. Doesn't need to get too crazy considering the power-up he gets later (ssj3).

As for the Gotenks-Gohan gap, one had a seemingly decent advantage when facing Buu while the other completely dominated Buu and even wasn't completely helpless (though still inferior) against a combination of both Buu and Gotenks. I'd say that the gap is pretty big.

[Lord Beerus]

How would you guys compare Gotenks Pre and Post RoSaT?

Base Gotenks (Pre or Post) > Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan)?

SSJ Gotenks (Pre or Post) > SSJ2 or SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo?

Is there a big gap between SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan powers?

Base Gotenks, especially post-ROSAT, is so far ahead of the other Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan) it's not even funny.

SSJ Gotenks would wreck any SSJ2 in their path. As far as SSJ Gotenks, pre or post-ROSAT, being above SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo, Goku sums it up in the manga pretty well:

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!”
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…”

Ultimate Gohan is in no doubt stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks given how shocked Goten and Trunks were at how easily and badly he was kicking Super Boo's ass. But I don't see the gap between SSJ3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan being huge. It's noticeable but not huge. But Gotenks was doing the exact same thing only a few minutes ago and would have killed Super Boo if it wasn't for the fusion expiring. I see it like this:

Ultimate Gohan - 10
SSJ3 Gotenks - 8.5
Super Boo - 7

[ZombieVito]

How would you guys compare Gotenks Pre and Post RoSaT?

Base Gotenks (Pre or Post) > Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan)?

SSJ Gotenks (Pre or Post) > SSJ2 or SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo?

Is there a big gap between SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan powers?

As of right now I have these:

Gotenks (Pre): 140,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 7,000,000,000

Gotenks (Post): 180,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 9,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 18,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 72,000,000,000

Son Gohan: 75,000,000
-- Ultimate form: 90,000,000,000

Son Goku: 80,000,000
-- Super Saiyan: 4,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 2: 8,000,000,000
-- Super Saiyan 3: 32,000,000,000

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How would you guys compare Gotenks Pre and Post RoSaT?

Base Gotenks (Pre or Post) > Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan)?

SSJ Gotenks (Pre or Post) > SSJ2 or SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo?

Is there a big gap between SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan powers?

Here's how I rank them:

Ultimate Gohan
> SS3 Gotenks
> Evil Boo
>>> SS2 Gotenks
>>> SS Gotenks (post-RoSaT)
>>> Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT)
>> SS Gotenks (pre-RoSaT)
>/>~ SS3 Goku
>~ Pure Boo
>>> SS2 Goku
>> SS2 Vegeta (pre-Majin)
> SS2 Teen Gohan
>> SS Goku
>> SS Vegeta (pre-Majin)
> SS Teen Gohan
>= Base Gotenks (pre-RoSaT)

As for Gohan's gap over Gotenks, I don't think it needs to be that big. Both can comfortably beat Evil Boo if going all out, it's just slightly easier for Gohan.

[Darkron2151]

How would you guys compare Gotenks Pre and Post RoSaT?

Base Gotenks (Pre or Post) > Base Saiyans (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan)?

SSJ Gotenks (Pre or Post) > SSJ2 or SSJ3 Saiyans and Kid Boo?

Is there a big gap between SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan powers?

Here's how I rank them:

Ultimate Gohan
> SS3 Gotenks
> Evil Boo
>>> SS2 Gotenks
>>> SS Gotenks (post-RoSaT)
>>> Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT)
>> SS Gotenks (pre-RoSaT)
>/>~ SS3 Goku
>~ Pure Boo
>>> SS2 Goku
>> SS2 Vegeta (pre-Majin)
> SS2 Teen Gohan
>> SS Goku
>> SS Vegeta (pre-Majin)
> SS Teen Gohan
>= Base Gotenks (pre-RoSaT)

As for Gohan's gap over Gotenks, I don't think it needs to be that big. Both can comfortably beat Evil Boo if going all out, it's just slightly easier for Gohan.

So both Goten and Trunks became stronger than their ssj forms in base after one short ROSAT trip?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

No. Only Gotenks did, since a hypothetical Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta was stated to be enough to beat Evil Boo, which would require them being stronger than the post-RoSaT boys, which is impossible if the boys surpassed their previous Super Saiyan power in base. Unless you really nerf the pre-RoSaT kids.

[Darkron2151]

No. Only Gotenks did, since a hypothetical Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta was stated to be enough to beat Evil Boo, which would require them being stronger than the post-RoSaT boys, which is impossible if the boys surpassed their previous Super Saiyan power in base. Unless you really nerf the pre-RoSaT kids.

So why would the fusion boost be inconsistent between Pre and Post ROSAT? You'd think they'd be the same based on Goku judging Gotenks' possible strength on the fusion he saw the Metamorans do.

[Noah]

So SSJ Gotenks (Pre and Post RoSaT) surpassed SSJ3 Goku power level? Everybody agrees on that?

[Polyphase Avatron]

So SSJ Gotenks (Pre and Post RoSaT) surpassed SSJ3 Goku power level? Everybody agrees on that?

I don't.

[Darkron2151]

So SSJ Gotenks (Pre and Post RoSaT) surpassed SSJ3 Goku power level? Everybody agrees on that?

He doesn't HAVE to be above Goku. Just above Fat Buu where he's strongly implied. It's funny how Goku has that line talking with Piccolo saying how he told Buu a fighter stronger than himself would come, yet he didn't mention anything to Buu about "this fighter's" strength at all.