The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:23 pm

Assuming 13 doesn't go Super 13, 17 and 18 can handle this on their own.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:59 pm

Eastern Supreme Kai vs Bojack (non-super).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Eastern Supreme Kai vs Bojack (non-super).
Bojack barely wins in terms of raw power, however, Kaioshin has plenty little tricks up his sleeve so I give this to Kaioshin.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Eastern Supreme Kai vs Bojack (non-super).
I consider Bojack to be around the suppressed Perfect Cell that Goku fought, so I think he can take this without too much effort.
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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:42 pm

I think Bojack's power is greater, but Kaioshin could probably restrict him and attack him with his kiai eyes. Not sure if he can attack while holding someone down, tho. Without that, he'd likely get stomped.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:05 pm

I think Bojack has slightly greater power (I don't think the highest form of god is a pushover... well at least not as much as everybody else) but Kaioshin's magic and techniques (and Bojack's arrogance and brutish style) net him a clear win after a tough battle. If he can use paralysis, then he stomps by doing that + eye blasts. That would work on Super Bojack as well. You gotta wonder why he never tried the paralysis ability against Dabura...
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:13 pm

Dabura probably has tricks up his sleeve too. He could also spit on him after being paralyzed.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:09 am

The paralysis seems to have a much longer range than the spit though. Unless Dabura is like a spit sniper.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:44 am

Yamcha (21st Budokai) vs Namu.
Yamcha (21st budokai) vs Giran.
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Post by Nikkolas » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:55 am

I'm pretty sure he should stomp both of them. Giran is the only threat and that's only if he can bind Yamcha with his Gum. If that doesn't happen, it's still an easy win for Yamcha. He should be able to just blow them both away with a Kamehameha.
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Nikkolas wrote:I'm pretty sure he should stomp both of them. Giran is the only threat and that's only if he can bind Yamcha with his Gum. If that doesn't happen, it's still an easy win for Yamcha. He should be able to just blow them both away with a Kamehameha.
Yamcha couldn't use the Kamehameha at that point.
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Post by Nikkolas » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:27 pm

Your post says 22nd Yamcha. Didn't he use a Kamehameha against Tien? I really didn't think that was anime only.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:51 pm

Nikkolas wrote:Your post says 22nd Yamcha. Didn't he use a Kamehameha against Tenshinhan? I really didn't think that was anime only.
Oh, my bad. I meant 21st.
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Post by Nikkolas » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:23 pm

Hm... It's a tough call. It's certainly closer than if this was 22nd Yamcha. I say he maybe takes it 60/40 against Nam and he has no chance against Giran if he's bound by the gum.
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Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:04 pm

Nam and Girin own Yamcha. If this was the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai it would be the other way around.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:10 pm

Pikkon vs Broly (Movie 8 first round, Movie 10 second round)

Given his pwnage of SPC, who I see as only slightly weaker than Movie 10 Broly, and his domination against a Goku that was explicitly stated to be much more powerful, even before the Super Kaioken (which Pikkon totally tanked and was still beating), I think he'd demolish Broly...

Kibito vs Android 17.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Paikuhan vs Broly (Movie 8 first round, Movie 10 second round)

Given his pwnage of SPC, who I see as only slightly weaker than Movie 10 Broly, and his domination against a Goku that was explicitly stated to be much more powerful, even before the Super Kaioken (which Paikuhan totally tanked and was still beating), I think he'd demolish Broly...

Kibito vs Android 17.
I think Pikkon could take them both. He was able to effortlessly beat Super Perfect Cell, who should be in the same league as Movie 10 Broly.

If the Base Saiyans are less than Freeza, and Kibito was said to be a good match for Base Gohan, then 17 should take this pretty easily.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:24 pm

I recall the guides saying that base Trunks was on par with 18 though.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:41 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I recall the guides saying that base Trunks was on par with 18 though.
The new movie puts Goku under Freeza. I think that fits with the series better, so I go with it.
Does it say "Base Trunks?" I thought it just said "Trunks."
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:17 pm

The new movie doesn't really have any baring here, unless you say the other movies do too. Also, I recall that 2008 special having base Trunks kicking the crap out of someone who was stronger than Freeza.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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