"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[pacz360]

This chapter made the u6 arc in manga pointless the anime made hit feel like a threat while the manga made it as if he was inferior to goku and vegeta.

[dbzfan7]

I like and dislike this.

Positives

-Kaioken while cool was made completely nonsensical with x10. I prefer the build up we got in the manga
-Return of SSJ God is awesome
-No BS about SSJB somehow being more balanced than SSJ
-Cool choreography
-A little more info on how taxing SSJB can be
-That other arc is probably filler since Goku shouldn't have an energy problem no more.

Negatives

-SSJB is sounding even more draining than SSJ3, and I thought the point was to move away from such draining forms.
-Calling out Freeza's drain when their's is potentially worse.
-Hit is less of a threat. In the Anime Goku said he'd probably lose, but here he says he and Vegeta would probably win.

[Bullza]

I don't really like how they're so radically different this way. There's no way of really knowing what Toriyama's take on the story actually is.

For this fight it just seems as though all wrote was

"Goku starts fighting Hit in base, learns his trick, transforms, jumps out the ring at the end."

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I REALLY dislike this, in the manga Hit is basically a throw away which in turn makes the whole arc feel entirely worthless. Hit actually being a threat in the anime was so much better.

Hit is still much stronger than Goku and Vegeta. They can only win while he has to fight with the tournament rules, holding back not to kill them.

[sintzu]

Which "change" do you mean? Are you talking about Toyotarou's interpretation being different from Toei's?

Still, even that is hardly a "plothole" as we have no idea how power works and the show can make of it whatever it wants.

Yeah.

In the anime Beerus said he used 10% of his power to defeat ssj2 Vegeta so how could he be stronger than Goku who can use a 10× Kaioken with SsjB ?

[emperior]

Vegeta loses 1/10 so it should be 10% not 90%

Still, it makes no sense for SSB to burn so much energy when it was made a point Freezer lost because he didn't master his Golden form.
I'm pretty sure Goku and Vegeta should have a greater mastery of SSB especially after having trained with it for 3 years.
It makes a lot more sense for Goku to not use SSB immediately because he had the plan of pairing it up with Kaio-Ken like he did in the anime, so he needed to save as much energy as possible.

Toei handled it a lot better. What they should have done though is to make it so that Goku couldn't use more than KKx2 and keep the line of Whis questioning whether he can beat Goku while in that form. At this point a KKx2 SSB Goku should be stronger than Beerus in my opinion.

[Saiyan007]

What a garbage chapter.

SSGSS is a useless transformation.Transforming twice into the form takes up so much stamina,why?

Anime was better in every single way.Beerus being stronger than Goku even with Kaioken is still one of the better retcons in dragon ball super.

Always found it dumb how Goku could get some hand holding ritual and be on par with a god of destruction while he's using 70% of his power.

Super goes about it the right way even though he's massively stronger than thier last fight he's still weaker showing how Powerful a God of destruction is,he shouldn't be surpassed so quickly.

[Cetra]

The Divine Kaiouken is only a problem as long as people think the power scaling of 2013 is still true and 1 to 2 has the same gap as 5-6, 11-12, et cetera. Beerus was indeed a bit scared of it but we also do not know how much of a threat Beerus is once he uses his full power. It only really clashes with Whis' "you and Vegeta working together could have a chance to defeat Lord Beerus" in my opinion. The rest is not troublesome for me.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Vegeta loses 1/10 so it should be 10% not 90%

He is brought down to 1/10 or 10% of his full power, not losing 10%.

[ekrolo2]

The arc already renders itself pointless by basically saying we're going to get the exact same tournament but bigger and probably better and with all the universes participating. This one might as well have not happened.

[Neon Z]

Blue can still use up a lot of stamina, that's not the issue here. The issue is that in the manga, Blue uses up a ridiculous amount of stamina, so much so that Vegeta loses 90% of his power just by transforming twice. That means they lose almost half their strength just by transforming. Even if Blue loses stamina in the anime, and it does, it doesn't at that speed, and it still makes sense that they call Freeza on it, since the stamina decrease isn't that huge.

If Blue didn't have a big energy drain, then facing Hit in base wouldn't really make sense though. Like I said, the anime kept a line that indicates a vague use of stamina, but afterwards didn't want to portray that loss of stamina at all in any way.

Yeah, I guess 1/10 of his power might be too much, but it makes Goku's gamble make much more sense, since he wouldn't be able to drag on the battle as a SSJB. In the anime, fighting in base there seemed completely unnecessary.

[namekiansaiyan]

This chapter made the u6 arc in manga pointless the anime made hit feel like a threat while the manga made it as if he was inferior to goku and vegeta.

Anime Hit>>>>>>>>>>Manga Hit

Overall the tournament is better in the anime.

[sintzu]

The Vegeta fanboy is definitely coming out here.

We also still do not know what is Toriyama's story

Come on, wouldn't you be happy if Piccolo got a better treatment after a previous bad one ?

We know Toyotaro works closely with Toriyama so his version is the closest.

[Overlord78]

This chapter made the u6 arc in manga pointless the anime made hit feel like a threat while the manga made it as if he was inferior to goku and vegeta.

I agree. Hit felt like much more of a threat in the anime than the manga.

[ArchedThunder]

I REALLY dislike this, in the manga Hit is basically a throw away which in turn makes the whole arc feel entirely worthless. Hit actually being a threat in the anime was so much better.

Hit is still much stronger than Goku and Vegeta. They can only win while he has to fight with the tournament rules, holding back not to kill them.

And yet he says he wouldn't even be able to hold his full power for a minute.

[Cetra]

I REALLY dislike this, in the manga Hit is basically a throw away which in turn makes the whole arc feel entirely worthless. Hit actually being a threat in the anime was so much better.

Hit is still much stronger than Goku and Vegeta. They can only win while he has to fight with the tournament rules, holding back not to kill them.

That is something I actually have a problem with. It sounds like Hit is the only one who does not fight serious. Yes, he cannot fight like the assassin he is. But Goku and the others also cannot fight as if they were in a battle of life and death. I think it only holds Hit back when it comes to his specific powers not like he would have such an incredible, immesurable power compared to the Saiyajin.

[kinisking]

Lmao people saying that Kaioken was a toei invention but not stopping to think that SSG was a Toyotorou invention? I mean it almost certainly was considering Toriyama said himself that there was no need for Goku to transform into that state anymore. Both versions of this series have shit added in from Toriyama's plot. If they're not in both versions, then it's safe to assume it's a toyotorou/toei only thing. I don't like that Vegeta would have been able to beat Hit though. Makes the tournament seem pointless if Vegeta could literally have solo'd the team

[emperior]

Vegeta loses 1/10 so it should be 10% not 90%

He is brought down to 1/10 or 10% of his full power, not losing 10%.

lol this is pure BS

It makes a lot more sense for Vegeta to lose because timeskip is that good and he doesn't know how to counter it.

[Khin]

Vegeta loses 1/10 so it should be 10% not 90%

He is brought down to 1/10 or 10% of his full power, not losing 10%.

lol this is pure BS

It makes a lot more sense for Vegeta to lose because timeskip is that good and he doesn't know how to counter it.

Also showed how important skill is. Unlike here where Goku just had the advantage because he was stronger.

[sintzu]

Basing that Vegeta was 1/10 his strength, how much stronger would you say SSJB is than SSG? (I'm not good with all these fractions)

We might be able to figure it out if Goku fights Beerus as a Ssjb but until then it's anyone's guess.