"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Saiyan007]

We know Toyotaro works closely with Toriyama so his version is the closest.

You know I keep seeing you post this time and time again but who says this is the closest?

The manga is merely an adaptation of the anime.Toyotaro uses Toriyama's script but adds his own things to it.

Daizenshuu does the same,Toriyama may think it's better that it's around but that doesn't mean it's the more accurate one.

The manga skipped over the Freeza arc so that means it follows the movies which just contradicts the manga.

The anime in all likelihood is the one that is closer to Toriyama's work.

[HeroR]

Lmao people saying that Kaioken was a toei invention but not stopping to think that SSG was a Toyotorou invention? I mean it almost certainly was considering Toriyama said himself that there was no need for Goku to transform into that state anymore. Both versions of this series have shit added in from Toriyama's plot. If they're not in both versions, then it's safe to assume it's a toyotorou/toei only thing. I don't like that Vegeta would have been able to beat Hit though. Makes the tournament seem pointless if Vegeta could literally have solo'd the team

The thing is, Toriyama specifically said that Goku didn't need Super Saiyan God anymore when asked about more transformation. Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God and he chose to work on making his base and Super Saiyan forms stronger. Toyotaro went against that by making Goku use Super Saiyan God when Toriyama called it pointless. In this case, I take Toriyama's word over what Toyotaro wrote here since it goes against that statement.

[pacz360]

Lmao people saying that Kaioken was a toei invention but not stopping to think that SSG was a Toyotorou invention? I mean it almost certainly was considering Toriyama said himself that there was no need for Goku to transform into that state anymore. Both versions of this series have shit added in from Toriyama's plot. If they're not in both versions, then it's safe to assume it's a toyotorou/toei only thing. I don't like that Vegeta would have been able to beat Hit though. Makes the tournament seem pointless if Vegeta could literally have solo'd the team

Exactly the manga made having buu or piccolo coming look more pointless then it be goku or vegeta could've solo u6 team by themselves going by the manga version.

[Xeztin]

Basing that Vegeta was 1/10 his strength, how much stronger would you say SSJB is than SSG? (I'm not good with all these fractions)

We might be able to figure it out if Goku fights Beerus as a Ssjb but until then it's anyone's guess.

I'll literally be lost for words if the anime ends up using SSG again.

[ekrolo2]

I know people are losing their shit over the 10% line but DevilsCorpse did say using it multiple times in succession is what drains your energy fast, and Vegeta does so in the manga. This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

[dbzfan7]

I think what Hit meant was he'd win in a minute. I don't think he means his power would drain in a minute.

[Araki]

We know Toyotaro works closely with Toriyama so his version is the closest.

You know I keep seeing you post this time and time again but who says this is the closest?

The manga is merely an adaptation of the anime.Toyotaro uses Toriyama's script but adds his own things to it.

He's just trying to convince himself, i guess. Toyotarou does the same thing the anime does, changing and adding things.
He works as "closely" to Toriyama as the anime staff, where Toriyama is also aware of the changes and said he reads the finished scripts himself. So no, there's nothing saying his version is the closest or whatever.

[pacz360]

Basing that Vegeta was 1/10 his strength, how much stronger would you say SSJB is than SSG? (I'm not good with all these fractions)

We might be able to figure it out if Goku fights Beerus as a Ssjb but until then it's anyone's guess.

I'll literally be lost for words if the anime ends up using SSG again.

It'll be Pointless the anime made it clear there no need to use the red form anymore.

[sintzu]

This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

Or maybe there's no decrease and it only happens when they try to use it again after powering down from it.

[ekrolo2]

I'd also like to say that just because Blue is calm, doesn't make its wastefulness an issue. Super Saiyan God doesn't alter your personality at all and that lasts but a few minutes before disappearing. Which, in the manga, left Goku drained and unable to fight anymore.

This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

Or maybe there's no decrease and it only happens when they try to use it again after powering down from it.

Very possible. It could be an SSJ3 situation where you can master it to a point where its not too wasteful to use it once, but trying to do so multiple times will backfire on you.

[dbzfan7]

I know people are losing their shit over the 10% line but DevilsCorpse did say using it multiple times in succession is what drains your energy fast, and Vegeta does so in the manga. This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

I also like it actually shows us there's a weakness. I didn't buy for a second SSJB had any sort of drain, because I never saw such a thing. It felt completely made up. Didn't come to play in the Freeza arc at all. Here while I think it's too much of a drain, I at least now believe there is a drawback.

[LightBing]

Is the taxing part of SSJB transforming? Vegeta was in the form for like a second. So while being in the actual state, it's kinda of manageable?

[HeroR]

We know Toyotaro works closely with Toriyama so his version is the closest.

You know I keep seeing you post this time and time again but who says this is the closest?

The manga is merely an adaptation of the anime.Toyotaro uses Toriyama's script but adds his own things to it.

Daizenshuu does the same,Toriyama may think it's better that it's around but that doesn't mean it's the more accurate one.

The manga skipped over the Freeza arc so that means it follows the movies which just contradicts the manga.

The anime in all likelihood is the one that is closer to Toriyama's work.

It's impossible to say which version of 'truer' unless you have Toriyama's notes. My biggest problem is that Toyotaro's version of events contradicts Toriyama's own words about Goku needing Super Saiyan God and why is Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan such a power drain when such a thing has never been hinted before. We see Goku and Vegeta use Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan several times in the manga without consequences to the point Vegeta transformed while sparring with Goku, now all the sudden it a 10% power drain. And this is coming from the same people who mocked Freeza for his ultimate form draining energy.

But I guess for Vegeta's fans it's easier to accept that Vegeta lost because Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a horrible transformation and Vegeta didn't have the more efficient Super Saiyan God form, and Vegeta gimped himself by showing off to Cabber vs. Hit just being better than him.

[ekrolo2]

I know people are losing their shit over the 10% line but DevilsCorpse did say using it multiple times in succession is what drains your energy fast, and Vegeta does so in the manga. This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

I also like it actually shows us there's a weakness. I didn't buy for a second SSJB had any sort of drain, because I never saw such a thing. It felt completely made up. Didn't come to play in the Freeza arc at all. Here while I think it's too much of a drain, I at least now believe there is a drawback.

Yeah, that's my problem with the anime. The manga might make the drain too severe but I'll take it over "this forms' really hard to use guys.... it gives us perfect ki control and lets us stack mother fucking Kaio-ken on it but its REALLY hard you guys!"

[Chelentano]

We know Toyotaro works closely with Toriyama so his version is the closest.

You know I keep seeing you post this time and time again but who says this is the closest?

The manga is merely an adaptation of the anime.Toyotaro uses Toriyama's script but adds his own things to it.

He's just trying to convince himself, i guess. Toyotarou does the same thing the anime does, changing and adding things.
He works as "closely" to Toriyama as the anime staff, where Toriyama is also aware of the changes and said he reads the finished scripts himself. So no, there's nothing saying his version is the closest or whatever.

Toriyama said that would be nice that Toyotaro would bring his own ideas, meaning that he doesn't do this too often, actually. And also has confirmed that he supervises the storyboards from Toyotaro, meaning that they need his approval. He even made Toyotaro change a few things as far as we know. So yes, the manga is closest to Toriyama.

[Grimlock]

But I guess for Vegeta's fans it's easier to accept that Vegeta lost because Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a horrible transformation and Vegeta didn't have the more efficient Super Saiyan God form, and Vegeta gimped himself by showing off to Cabber vs. Hit just being better than him.

I think it is way better to be honest with yourself, Vegeta lost because of protagonism, Goku needed to fight once again since he was cheated by Frost.

[SansrivaaL]

Ok I am literally lost for words here, HOW THE HELL COULD GOKU GO SSJG? and no kaioken x10 as expected, Toei your nostalgia moves are getting annoying af. Other than that my God I loved how they fought here than the anime, Its fun how we see Goku literally anticipating Hit's moves and their fast paced fight.

[sintzu]

We see Goku and Vegeta use Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan several times in the manga without consequences to the point Vegeta transformed while sparring with Goku.

We never saw them transform, power down then transform again like what Vegeta did here.

[Khin]

He's just trying to convince himself, i guess. Toyotarou does the same thing the anime does, changing and adding things.
He works as "closely" to Toriyama as the anime staff, where Toriyama is also aware of the changes and said he reads the finished scripts himself. So no, there's nothing saying his version is the closest or whatever.

Agreed. Seems to me that every time something actually "makes sense". People automatically assumes it came from Toriyama. Like they think Toriyama can't make mistakes too. And proceeds to discredit TOEI when something doesn't makes sense, and doesn't even take into account that it probably came from Toriyama himself.

[dbs fanboy]

What about if that was a weird drawn kaioken? what about if Goku went kaioken first and then turned super saiyan blue plus the kaio ken?