"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

This is definitely the worst and best original super arc at this point. The waste of characters, random powerups, and wasted opportunities in general actually disgust me at times. But hey, at least it has good fights and i'll admit some good character moments!

Like which?

[kinisking]

This is definitely the worst and best original super arc at this point. The waste of characters, random powerups, and wasted opportunities in general actually disgust me at times. But hey, at least it has good fights and i'll admit some good character moments!

Like which?

Gohans leader ship could've been an actual thing for longer than 4 episodes, Whis could have trained the characters, they could've had much more super saiyans by this arc and stopped us from having to see these people gain ss and ss2 within hours (it's been over a year since Cabba got it and you'd think he'd spread it ), we could have better spent the 20 recruitment episodes and got some team building and a search for strong team mates elsewhere , etc.

[namekiansaiyan]

It's just speculation, but that shot looks identical to his face when he took a blast from Nappa for Gohan. Gohan protected Piccolo a couple of times, that's true, but nothing dramatic or anywhere close to what Piccolo did for him in 106 for example. Given how much they love using "Piccolo protects Gohan" scenarios, it's just very likely they'd jump at a chance to write one in again.

Pirina does remind me of Nappa which is not a good sign.

Both fans speedos it would seem. And all this time we thought he was a supposed to be Lord Slug's copy. Does that mean Saonel is Radditz?

He would be Vegeta. Saonel hardly appears in preview for some reason.

[HeroR]

This is definitely the worst and best original super arc at this point. The waste of characters, random powerups, and wasted opportunities in general actually disgust me at times. But hey, at least it has good fights and i'll admit some good character moments!

Like which?

Gohans leader ship could've been an actual thing for longer than 4 episodes, Whis could have trained the characters, they could've had much more super saiyans by this arc and stopped us from having to see these people gain ss and ss2 within hours (it's been over a year since Cabba got it and you'd think he'd spread it ), we could have better spent the 20 recruitment episodes and got some team building and a search for strong team mates elsewhere , etc.

Gohan would actually have to be a good leader for his role as leader to last longer. Honestly that role should have gone to Piccolo or Roshi, since no one really respects Gohan nor does he have the battle experience to lead.

Whis doesn't care about other characters. He barely trained Vegeta since Vegeta had to bribe. So why would he care about training team fodder, especially when not even Gohan impresses him? Doubly so since his life isn't in danger.

Point about Cabba, but he probably kept it to himself until he mastered the form for himself.

Why would they need strong teammates elsewhere when they already had a pretty solid time before Buu fell asleep? And we know U7 don't have a lot of super strong fighters since Freeza was the strongest being in the universe and was still considered a forced when he was revived in Resurrection 'F'.

[kinisking]

Gohan would actually have to be a good leader for his role as leader to last longer. Honestly that role should have gone to Piccolo or Roshi, since no one really respects Gohan nor does he have the battle experience to lead.

Whis doesn't care about other characters. He barely trained Vegeta since Vegeta had to bribe. So why would he care about training team fodder, especially when not even Gohan impresses him? Doubly so since his life isn't in danger.

Point about Cabba, but he probably kept it to himself until he mastered the form for himself.

Why would they need strong teammates elsewhere when they already had a pretty solid time before Buu fell asleep? And we know U7 don't have a lot of super strong fighters since Freeza was the strongest being in the universe and was still considered a forced when he was revived in Resurrection 'F'.

Anyone who wasn't in the circle definitely wouldn't respect any leader regardless of who it was. So it wasn't really Gohans fault. Roshi and Piccolo followed Gohans orders so obviously they believed in his strategy. If they didn't, they would have objected. So it definitely wasn't skill either. I honestly don't think piccolo or Roshi would have done better seeing as how dysfunctional u7 has always been.

The universes are at stake. Whis does care about Beerus and the rest even if he doesn't always show it. He'd be willing to train them, especially with the food bukna could have bribed him with. This is probably my biggest complaint.

He was already switching the form in and off at the Champa tournament. He could definitely have started teaching earlier.

Unpopular opinion maybe but they could've asspulled a character that was unknown to everyone. I mean supreme Kai didn't even know about Gohan or Vegetas strength . There could definitely be someone hiding.

[BlueVegerot]

Gohan leadership is not an issue. none of goku, vegeta, freeza or androids would have listened to piccolo or roshi

whis doesn't train anyone else cause they only had 40 hours before the tournament so how much could he actually do for them. Also the whole gohan not impressing him thing is based on what? he's never seen gohan fight. even vegeta said gohan has far greater potential than him or goku

u7 doesn't have strong fighters? half of the tournament of power couldn't beat dbz villains. u7 has 3 times more eliminations than anyone else.

[HeroR]

Anyone who wasn't in the circle definitely wouldn't respect any leader regardless of who it was. So it wasn't really Gohans fault. Roshi and Piccolo followed Gohans orders so obviously they believed in his strategy. If they didn't, they would have objected. So it definitely wasn't skill either. I honestly don't think piccolo or Roshi would have done better seeing as how dysfunctional u7 has always been.

The universes are at stake. Whis does care about Beerus and the rest even if he doesn't always show it. He'd be willing to train them, especially with the food bukna could have bribed him with. This is probably my biggest complaint.

He was already switching the form in and off at the Champa tournament. He could definitely have started teaching earlier.

Unpopular opinion maybe but they could've asspulled a character that was unknown to everyone. I mean supreme Kai didn't even know about Gohan or Vegetas strength . There could definitely be someone hiding.

I disagree. The reason why the team didn't stay together was because they didn't respect who was given the order. As a leader, he's supposed to keep the team together and in line, not used the excused 'oh, they wouldn't listen anyway'. That's loser's talk. Roshi and Piccolo respect Gohan well enough, even if they came up with better plans than him.

Whis laughed when Beerus asked why would he be spared and he even said 'your universe is in danger'. He cares to an extent, but not enough to train the fodder squad. Whis has shown himself picky about how he chose since again, he doesn't give a damn about Gohan despite his gift.

Switching the form on and off isn't the same as mastering. As in, what Goku and the other did in the Cell Games.

They really couldn't since if it's one thing Dragon Ball and especially Super made clear, no one was stronger than Freeza before Super Saiyan Goku. Beerus finding Monaka to act as the strongest in U7 for the Champa Saga made that even more crystal clear since if there was some random nobody out there, Whis would have probably found them during that saga instead of now. Also, Beerus and especially Whis have shown themselves to be far more acknowledged than the Supreme Kai.

Gohan leadership is not an issue. none of goku, vegeta, freeza or androids would have listened to piccolo or roshi

whis doesn't train anyone else cause they only had 40 hours before the tournament so how much could he actually do for them. Also the whole gohan not impressing him thing is based on what? he's never seen gohan fight. even vegeta said gohan has far greater potential than him or goku

u7 doesn't have strong fighters? half of the tournament of power couldn't beat dbz villains. u7 has 3 times more eliminations than anyone else.

He saw him fight along with everyone else in the Battle of Gods Saga. He also sensed Gohan vs. Goku in 90. Far more potential mean shit if you don't do anything with it, which is Gohan's greatest failing.

The only Dragon Ball Z villain that most of the fighters couldn't beat is Buu.

[Michsi]

They really couldn't since if it's one thing Dragon Ball and especially Super made clear, no one was stronger than Freeza before Super Saiyan Goku. i.

Well, there was Buu.

As for Gohan, I kinda got the feeling he was aware that his position as leader wasn't going anywhere in 102, and he looked a little down before he told everyone to fight individually,

[Jigurashi]

Fuck toei,I am going to place this arc the same as copy vegeta arc.
There are a lot of episodes that I would rate 10/10 but this arc's shortcomings are way much much for me compared to it's good moments.Without going into powerlevels and fights,why is everyone a asshole with negative traits?Yes,It is easier to have such antagonists but it is such a lazy way.Even one piece did a better tournament than this one.

They are douches in order to make U7 likeable,

Kefla in episode 116, Brianne in episode 117 are clear examples.

The only ones that didnt show being douches so far are Obuni and Rozie.

Even Fairy Tail GMG Arc had more tension. If someone like Mashima was in charge at least the secondary cast would have perfect showcasing.

Utterly laughable of a statement.

[HeroR]

They really couldn't since if it's one thing Dragon Ball and especially Super made clear, no one was stronger than Freeza before Super Saiyan Goku. i.

Well, there was Buu.

As for Gohan, I kinda got the feeling he was aware that his position as leader wasn't going anywhere in 102, and he looked a little down before he told everyone to fight individually,

I guess what I should have said that no mortal was above Freeza and Buu was this forced of nature the universe randomly created.

I still think he could have done more than pull the Freddy Jones and stuck with Piccolo. But I suspected leader Gohan was going nowhere when Goku named him the leader in 90. Gohan simply doesn't have the record for it. He's doesn't have the experience and is too meek.

[Michsi]

I still think he could have done more than pull the Freddy Jones and stuck with Piccolo. But I suspected leader Gohan was going nowhere when Goku named him the leader in 90. Gohan simply doesn't have the record for it. He's doesn't have the experience and is too meek.

It was Gohan's idea to form an attack team with Piccolo so it would've been odd for him to be the one to break away first. For what it's worth, he did separate for one episode somehow.
It was a little sad, how it was Goku that made him leader, and then was the first to break formation without so much as a backwards glance.

[RedHeat]

Sometimes you gotta dab in Dragon Ball.

[HeroR]

I still think he could have done more than pull the Freddy Jones and stuck with Piccolo. But I suspected leader Gohan was going nowhere when Goku named him the leader in 90. Gohan simply doesn't have the record for it. He's doesn't have the experience and is too meek.

It was Gohan's idea to form an attack team with Piccolo so it would've been odd for him to be the one to break away first. For what it's worth, he did separate for one episode somehow.
It was a little sad, how it was Goku that made him leader, and then was the first to break formation without so much as a backwards glance.

Goku made him the leader so he can babysit the weaker fighters while he played.

[Hellspawn28]

I think in the next episode, both U2 and U6 will be gone. I think having two Universes be wipe out would make things more interesting and would speed things up too.

[TheOne]

Anyone who wasn't in the circle definitely wouldn't respect any leader regardless of who it was. So it wasn't really Gohans fault. Roshi and Piccolo followed Gohans orders so obviously they believed in his strategy. If they didn't, they would have objected. So it definitely wasn't skill either. I honestly don't think piccolo or Roshi would have done better seeing as how dysfunctional u7 has always been.

The universes are at stake. Whis does care about Beerus and the rest even if he doesn't always show it. He'd be willing to train them, especially with the food bukna could have bribed him with. This is probably my biggest complaint.

He was already switching the form in and off at the Champa tournament. He could definitely have started teaching earlier.

Unpopular opinion maybe but they could've asspulled a character that was unknown to everyone. I mean supreme Kai didn't even know about Gohan or Vegetas strength . There could definitely be someone hiding.

I disagree. The reason why the team didn't stay together was because they didn't respect who was given the order. As a leader, he's supposed to keep the team together and in line, not used the excused 'oh, they wouldn't listen anyway'. That's loser's talk. Roshi and Piccolo respect Gohan well enough, even if they came up with better plans than him.

Whis laughed when Beerus asked why would he be spared and he even said 'your universe is in danger'. He cares to an extent, but not enough to train the fodder squad. Whis has shown himself picky about how he chose since again, he doesn't give a damn about Gohan despite his gift.

Switching the form on and off isn't the same as mastering. As in, what Goku and the other did in the Cell Games.

They really couldn't since if it's one thing Dragon Ball and especially Super made clear, no one was stronger than Freeza before Super Saiyan Goku. Beerus finding Monaka to act as the strongest in U7 for the Champa Saga made that even more crystal clear since if there was some random nobody out there, Whis would have probably found them during that saga instead of now. Also, Beerus and especially Whis have shown themselves to be far more acknowledged than the Supreme Kai.

Gohan leadership is not an issue. none of goku, vegeta, freeza or androids would have listened to piccolo or roshi

whis doesn't train anyone else cause they only had 40 hours before the tournament so how much could he actually do for them. Also the whole gohan not impressing him thing is based on what? he's never seen gohan fight. even vegeta said gohan has far greater potential than him or goku

u7 doesn't have strong fighters? half of the tournament of power couldn't beat dbz villains. u7 has 3 times more eliminations than anyone else.

He saw him fight along with everyone else in the Battle of Gods Saga. He also sensed Gohan vs. Goku in 90. Far more potential mean shit if you don't do anything with it, which is Gohan's greatest failing.

The only Dragon Ball Z villain that most of the fighters couldn't beat is Buu.

That’s such a ridiculous statement. If Gohan or anyone else for that matter would’ve tried telling Frieza or Vegeta what to do, it would’ve ended up in a fight. It doesn’t matter who was giving the orders. Unless you can physically stop them, they were going to do as they please. Even if Goku gave the orders, they would’ve done the same. The only person they’d probably listen to would be Beerus (if he was physically down there with them).

[Hawk9211]

The only real reason is fanservice to gohan fans.It's true that half of team would not have listened to him,but he still did not show why was he made the team leader.He came up with the brilliant plan which was critised by most incapable and useless person in dragon ball.Came up with worst shown way to beat botamo,used a brialliant strategy against obuni and had to be saved and lectured by piccolo.

[Noah]

I think in the next episode, both U2 and U6 will be gone. I think having two Universes be wipe out would make things more interesting and would speed things up too.

Ignoring these two how many universes are left in the ToP?

[Ki Breaker]

I think in the next episode, both U2 and U6 will be gone. I think having two Universes be wipe out would make things more interesting and would speed things up too.

Ignoring these two how many universes are left in the ToP?

Yeah for real, I lost track a long time ago, if someone can whip out that handy participants left guide that would be neat

[Kanassa]

I think in the next episode, both U2 and U6 will be gone. I think having two Universes be wipe out would make things more interesting and would speed things up too.

Ignoring these two how many universes are left in the ToP?

Uni 7
Uni 11
Uni 4
Uni 3

[precita]

There's barely any fighters left. U2 and U6 are on their last legs, and the 3 Pride Troopers are being saved for the end.

All that's left is 6 robot characters who have all been treated like fodder already, and two mysterious bugs and 1 small blue guy.