Unpopular DB opinions

[ekrolo2]

I'm not that interested in defending the saiyan god forms for not being redesigns as that is a fools errand. But however stating that the golden form, is just basically a paint job is objectively wrong. In fact the form has more difference's to it then super saiyan and super saiyan two do. Which isn't saying much as those two forms, are prehaps the laziest in the franchise. But those alterations aren't minor, for the sake of all fucks, his body is redesigned, Freeza, is more muscular, taller, his gems are smaller, he loses the gems on his shoulder's, he has two different colors of gold. Saying that its majority a paint job, is bullshit.

His body is redesigned in the same way Capullo redesigned Batman's new suit relative to his old one, there's a couple noticeable differences but it is 90% the same shit as before. The Golden Form is probably the least aggregious out of all the "new designs" but it is by no means good or original by any stretch of the imagination.

I won't use it if it triggers you. Toriyama didn't make their designs and personality's the same, they are different characters. Their designs are goddamn similar, and it fucking triggers you? You know he could have actually have made them be the same characters but he didn't, Champa isn't Beerus, you just lodged onto CAT MAN FAT PURPLE = BEERUS11!!1!11111, and Vados, Vados isn't Whis, the fact that you can't even pick that up. Just annoys me as I've read your book Vicious god's wrath. Here I'll explain their personality's to you.
Champa is more lazy, under handed, less dignified, more emotionally immature, and hes more selfish. Vados is more mischievous than Whis, she is can be more blunt, and coy than him, she is also more blunt, Vados is also more confident in her fighting capability.

It annoys me predominately because people act as though Toriyama couldn't do it any other way, whenever I bring this up everyone just says "Well the twin universes concept!" is an idea Toriyama chose to go with. He is not beholden to some higher executive who makes this shit up for him and he must enforce it. Beerus is a lazy shit too since he couldn't even be bothered to kill planet Vegeta, a planet he was already on when we factually know he can tap them into oblivion so he's not exactly any more pro active than Champa. They're both obsessed with food, they're both amoral pricks who do anything purely to entertain themselves. Vados and Whis are both willing to act mischevious and amoral when it suits them as we see from the Hit filler, the only barely existing difference is that Vados is slightly more proud of her existing abilities.

They are similar designs, and what you're using to compare dosen't even make any sense as you just made a character who is literally James bond, personality wise and design wise. So this falls apart was well

I just explained why my flimsy example is just as bad as Toriyama's flimsy example up above.

Oh for the love of god, the god of destruction's look like this because that is what they wear, its a code of dress that they have to wear. Similar to an army. Oh for the love of, just stop exaggerating that.

Says what? Nothing in universe has said there's any kind of dress code for a God of Destruction and even if there is that's still just another excuse (just like the Grand Priest being the father of the angels and the twin universes concept) for Toriyama to half ass designs instead of making up with actual unique appearances for people. Whats gonna be the bullshit excuse for when Saiyans and Namekians randomly exist everywhere huh? Cause that will happen, as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west it fucking WILL happen and I'm gonna call it out for what it is: laziness.

[Soppa Saia People]

SSGod changing the physique and eyes (barely) makes it slightly less shitty than Blue and Rose in the originality department but that's like saying a switch blade to the balls is better than a butcher's knife. Same thing with Golden Freeza, minor alterations exist but it still is majoritively just a paint job of final form Freeza.

I'm not that interested in defending the saiyan god forms for not being redesigns as that is a fools errand. But however stating that the golden form, is just basically a paint job is objectively wrong. In fact the form has more difference's to it then super saiyan and super saiyan two do. Which isn't saying much as those two forms, are prehaps the laziest in the franchise. But those alterations aren't minor, for the sake of all fucks, his body is redesigned, Freeza, is more muscular, taller, his gems are smaller, he loses the gems on his shoulder's, he has two different colors of gold. Saying that its majority a paint job, is bullshit.

Even then, it's just Freeza, BUT gold, for the most part. The way it's design reminds of the way nike designed the new Browns uniforms.

[Gog]

SSGod changing the physique and eyes (barely) makes it slightly less shitty than Blue and Rose in the originality department but that's like saying a switch blade to the balls is better than a butcher's knife. Same thing with Golden Freeza, minor alterations exist but it still is majoritively just a paint job of final form Freeza.

I'm not that interested in defending the saiyan god forms for not being redesigns as that is a fools errand. But however stating that the golden form, is just basically a paint job is objectively wrong. In fact the form has more difference's to it then super saiyan and super saiyan two do. Which isn't saying much as those two forms, are prehaps the laziest in the franchise. But those alterations aren't minor, for the sake of all fucks, his body is redesigned, Freeza, is more muscular, taller, his gems are smaller, he loses the gems on his shoulder's, he has two different colors of gold. Saying that its majority a paint job, is bullshit.

Even then, it's just Freeza, BUT gold, for the most part. The way it's design reminds of the way nike designed the new Browns uniforms.

But, it isn't Freeza just gold. Saying that would be a disservice, its like me saying well Super saiyan, and super saiyan two are just Goku with golden hair for the most part

[Gog]

I'm not that interested in defending the saiyan god forms for not being redesigns as that is a fools errand. But however stating that the golden form, is just basically a paint job is objectively wrong. In fact the form has more difference's to it then super saiyan and super saiyan two do. Which isn't saying much as those two forms, are prehaps the laziest in the franchise. But those alterations aren't minor, for the sake of all fucks, his body is redesigned, Freeza, is more muscular, taller, his gems are smaller, he loses the gems on his shoulder's, he has two different colors of gold. Saying that its majority a paint job, is bullshit.

His body is redesigned in the same way Capullo redesigned Batman's new suit relative to his old one, there's a couple noticeable differences but it is 90% the same shit as before. The Golden Form is probably the least aggregious out of all the "new designs" but it is by no means good or original by any stretch of the imagination.

I won't use it if it triggers you. Toriyama didn't make their designs and personality's the same, they are different characters. Their designs are goddamn similar, and it fucking triggers you? You know he could have actually have made them be the same characters but he didn't, Champa isn't Beerus, you just lodged onto CAT MAN FAT PURPLE = BEERUS11!!1!11111, and Vados, Vados isn't Whis, the fact that you can't even pick that up. Just annoys me as I've read your book Vicious god's wrath. Here I'll explain their personality's to you.
Champa is more lazy, under handed, less dignified, more emotionally immature, and hes more selfish. Vados is more mischievous than Whis, she is can be more blunt, and coy than him, she is also more blunt, Vados is also more confident in her fighting capability.

It annoys me predominately because people act as though Toriyama couldn't do it any other way, whenever I bring this up everyone just says "Well the twin universes concept!" is an idea Toriyama chose to go with. He is not beholden to some higher executive who makes this shit up for him and he must enforce it. Beerus is a lazy shit too since he couldn't even be bothered to kill planet Vegeta, a planet he was already on when we factually know he can tap them into oblivion so he's not exactly any more pro active than Champa. They're both obsessed with food, they're both amoral pricks who do anything purely to entertain themselves. Vados and Whis are both willing to act mischevious and amoral when it suits them as we see from the Hit filler, the only barely existing difference is that Vados is slightly more proud of her existing abilities.

They are similar designs, and what you're using to compare dosen't even make any sense as you just made a character who is literally James bond, personality wise and design wise. So this falls apart was well

I just explained why my flimsy example is just as bad as Toriyama's flimsy example up above.

Oh for the love of god, the god of destruction's look like this because that is what they wear, its a code of dress that they have to wear. Similar to an army. Oh for the love of, just stop exaggerating that.

Says what? Nothing in universe has said there's any kind of dress code for a God of Destruction and even if there is that's still just another excuse (just like the Grand Priest being the father of the angels and the twin universes concept) for Toriyama to half ass designs instead of making up with actual unique appearances for people. Whats gonna be the bullshit excuse for when Saiyans and Namekians randomly exist everywhere huh? Cause that will happen, as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west it fucking WILL happen and I'm gonna call it out for what it is: laziness.

Lets be honest here, us too will never, ever agree on this, so before this debate becomes a toxic land dump, I will say that I concede from the debate

[Soppa Saia People]

I'm not that interested in defending the saiyan god forms for not being redesigns as that is a fools errand. But however stating that the golden form, is just basically a paint job is objectively wrong. In fact the form has more difference's to it then super saiyan and super saiyan two do. Which isn't saying much as those two forms, are prehaps the laziest in the franchise. But those alterations aren't minor, for the sake of all fucks, his body is redesigned, Freeza, is more muscular, taller, his gems are smaller, he loses the gems on his shoulder's, he has two different colors of gold. Saying that its majority a paint job, is bullshit.

Even then, it's just Freeza, BUT gold, for the most part. The way it's design reminds of the way nike designed the new Browns uniforms.

But, it isn't Freeza just gold. Saying that would be a disservice, its like me saying well Super saiyan, and super saiyan two are just Goku with golden hair for the most part

Yeah it pretty much is.


Yeah sure, there are differences, but there incredibly minor. It's mostly just a recolor.

[Gog]

Even then, it's just Freeza, BUT gold, for the most part. The way it's design reminds of the way nike designed the new Browns uniforms.

But, it isn't Freeza just gold. Saying that would be a disservice, its like me saying well Super saiyan, and super saiyan two are just Goku with golden hair for the most part

Yeah it pretty much is.


Yeah sure, there are differences, but there incredibly minor. It's mostly just a recolor.

You mean the fact that Freeza's gem's became smaller, the fact that he's more muscular, his brows are now more pronounced like super saiyan three, he's taller, and he lost the gems on his shoulders. Minor difference's

[Soppa Saia People]

But, it isn't Freeza just gold. Saying that would be a disservice, its like me saying well Super saiyan, and super saiyan two are just Goku with golden hair for the most part

Yeah it pretty much is.
"Pics"
Yeah sure, there are differences, but there incredibly minor. It's mostly just a recolor.

You mean the fact that Freeza's gem's became smaller, the fact that he's more muscular, his brows are now more pronounced like super saiyan three, he's taller, and he lost the gems on his shoulders. Minor difference's

Yeah they really are. To go back to my Browns comparison, yes, there are differences, but it's mostly the same old shit.

[sintzu]

Yeah it pretty much is.
"Pics"
Yeah sure, there are differences, but there incredibly minor. It's mostly just a recolor.

You mean the fact that Freeza's gem's became smaller, the fact that he's more muscular, his brows are now more pronounced like super saiyan three, he's taller, and he lost the gems on his shoulders. Minor difference's

Yeah they really are. To go back to my Browns comparison, yes, there are differences, but it's mostly the same old shit.

It's a shame he didn't get something like Cooler's form in the 5th movie.

[Gog]

You mean the fact that Freeza's gem's became smaller, the fact that he's more muscular, his brows are now more pronounced like super saiyan three, he's taller, and he lost the gems on his shoulders. Minor difference's

Yeah they really are. To go back to my Browns comparison, yes, there are differences, but it's mostly the same old shit.

It's a shame he didn't get something like Cooler's form in the 5th movie.

That would have been worst case scenario, levels of bad.

[sintzu]

That would have been worst case scenario, levels of bad.

At least it would've been more than a recolor.

[Gog]

That would have been worst case scenario, levels of bad.

At least it would've been more than a recolor.

See's the word recolor, gets beyond angry, as he'd been arguing, against it, for fucking forever.

Okay, do you even read, the golden form isn't a recolor, it removes the two jewels on Freeza's shoulders, it makes the remaining jewels smaller, it makes Freeza more muscular, Freeza is taller, Freeza has bigger brows, and theres two shades of gold. Freeza also looks like he's wearing pants.

I'm shocked

[Soppa Saia People]

That would have been worst case scenario, levels of bad.

At least it would've been more than a recolor.

See's the word recolor, gets beyond angry, as he'd been arguing, against it, for fucking forever.

Okay, do you even read, the golden form isn't a recolor, it removes the two jewels on Freeza's shoulders, it makes the remaining jewels smaller, it makes Freeza more muscular, Freeza is taller, Freeza has bigger brows, and theres two shades of gold. Freeza also looks like he's wearing pants.

I'm shocked

Once again, it's mostly a recolor. It's 90% recolor, 10% new design.

[Gog]

At least it would've been more than a recolor.

See's the word recolor, gets beyond angry, as he'd been arguing, against it, for fucking forever.

Okay, do you even read, the golden form isn't a recolor, it removes the two jewels on Freeza's shoulders, it makes the remaining jewels smaller, it makes Freeza more muscular, Freeza is taller, Freeza has bigger brows, and theres two shades of gold. Freeza also looks like he's wearing pants.

I'm shocked

Once again, it's mostly a recolor. It's 90% recolor, 10% new design.

Fine what do you consider a new form? Because its 70% new design, 30% recolor

[Soppa Saia People]

See's the word recolor, gets beyond angry, as he'd been arguing, against it, for fucking forever.

Okay, do you even read, the golden form isn't a recolor, it removes the two jewels on Freeza's shoulders, it makes the remaining jewels smaller, it makes Freeza more muscular, Freeza is taller, Freeza has bigger brows, and theres two shades of gold. Freeza also looks like he's wearing pants.

I'm shocked

Once again, it's mostly a recolor. It's 90% recolor, 10% new design.

Fine what do you consider a new form? Because its 70% new design, 30% recolor

Really man ? Really ?
Anyway, SSJ 1, 3, and 4, Zarbon's monster form, and Cell's and Freeza's (not counting gold) transformations.

[Gog]

Once again, it's mostly a recolor. It's 90% recolor, 10% new design.

Fine what do you consider a new form? Because its 70% new design, 30% recolor

Really man ? Really ?
Anyway, SSJ 1, 3, and 4, Zarbon's monster form, and Cell's and Freeza's (not counting gold) transformations.

Fine, I was over estimating, but its got more effort in it than super saiyan 1, as that's what started it all. 3 only has bigger brows, and longer hair, less difference than Golden.

[Soppa Saia People]

Fine what do you consider a new form? Because its 70% new design, 30% recolor

Really man ? Really ?
Anyway, SSJ 1, 3, and 4, Zarbon's monster form, and Cell's and Freeza's (not counting gold) transformations.

Fine, I was over estimating, but its got more effort in it than super saiyan 1, as that's what started it all. 3 only has bigger brows, and longer hair, less difference than Golden.

It's not about differences. SSJ has more impact. Sure really only one thing is different, but that's really all it needs. Goku's hair spiking up and being clear is a much bigger and better difference, then Freeza getting more muscles and losing some shit on his shoulders.

[Gog]

Really man ? Really ?
Anyway, SSJ 1, 3, and 4, Zarbon's monster form, and Cell's and Freeza's (not counting gold) transformations.

Fine, I was over estimating, but its got more effort in it than super saiyan 1, as that's what started it all. 3 only has bigger brows, and longer hair, less difference than Golden.

It's not about differences. SSJ has more impact. Sure really only one thing is different, but that's really all it needs. Goku's hair spiking up and being clear is a much bigger and better difference, then Freeza getting more muscles and losing some shit on his shoulders.

No I don't care about impact, I care about design, Goku's hair spiking up, and becoming bleached, is lazier than Freeza becoming more muscular, losing the shit on his shoulders. His gems becoming smaller, Freeza growing taller, Freeza getting a different color scheme, and Freeza gaining SS3 Brows. The ultimate evolution is a clearer, and better transformation than the third laziest form in the franchise

[Soppa Saia People]

Fine, I was over estimating, but its got more effort in it than super saiyan 1, as that's what started it all. 3 only has bigger brows, and longer hair, less difference than Golden.

It's not about differences. SSJ has more impact. Sure really only one thing is different, but that's really all it needs. Goku's hair spiking up and being clear is a much bigger and better difference, then Freeza getting more muscles and losing some shit on his shoulders.

No I don't care about impact, I care about design, Goku's hair spiking up, and becoming bleached, is lazier than Freeza becoming more muscular, losing the shit on his shoulders. His gems becoming smaller, Freeza growing taller, Freeza getting a different color scheme, and Freeza gaining SS3 Brows. The ultimate evolution is a clearer, and better transformation than the third laziest form in the franchise

All that stuff is boring as shit. Oh wow, Freeza lost that dumb shit on his shoulders and got SSJ 3 eyebrows ? Who the hell cares ?

[Gog]

It's not about differences. SSJ has more impact. Sure really only one thing is different, but that's really all it needs. Goku's hair spiking up and being clear is a much bigger and better difference, then Freeza getting more muscles and losing some shit on his shoulders.

No I don't care about impact, I care about design, Goku's hair spiking up, and becoming bleached, is lazier than Freeza becoming more muscular, losing the shit on his shoulders. His gems becoming smaller, Freeza growing taller, Freeza getting a different color scheme, and Freeza gaining SS3 Brows. The ultimate evolution is a clearer, and better transformation than the third laziest form in the franchise

All that stuff is boring as shit. Oh wow, Freeza lost that dumb shit on his shoulders and got SSJ 3 eyebrows ? Who the hell cares ?

And does. Oh wow Goku's hair turned gold, and spiked up sound any better?

[DBZ Macky]

Honestly, Golden Freeza looks better than Coola's "Fifth Form". It's simple but it looks pretty good.

The Super Saiyan recolor is not as good though. I liked SSG because of its simplicity but SSB was just too simple.

Kinda ironic since Blue also happens to be my favorite transformation, though that's probably because it represents modern DB in a way.