Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

Well since we're talking about designs, the whole "less is more" being automatically better mentality annoys me.

Not axiomatically, but I generally prefer minimalism. Can you think of an example where you liked the much more complicated design?

You mean in general or for DB? For in general, I'd say Batman and Captain America in live action are good examples.
Batman in TDK and his new JL suit look a lot better than his Begins & BvS suits for me. The Begins suit looks like a big chunk of rubber and in BvS he has no neck and they over padded his suit to the point of him looking like a total fatass. I'd even say TDK suit is the best one he's had in live action solely because it looks great in the day time and at night.
Captain America's more elaborate suits all look leagues better than his simpler Avengers one.

For Dragon Ball this is harder to pin point because the "less is more" approach is so prevalent but I'd say SS4 and Baby are good examples of how a more complicated design can look good.

The BvS suit clearly had a neck and while it was too bulky, he didn't look fat at all. As for TDK suit. I don't like it. It's far too elaborate and barely looks like a batsuit except for the ears. I don't find it aesthetically pleasing. His Begins suit is the better looking suit in the trilogy because it looks like a batsuit than something military. The material is more akin to neoprene than rubber.

I don't think I would consider Cap's SHIELD suit that much more elaborate than his Avengers suit.

Caps WS suit is fairly detailed, probably one of his most detailed suits in the movies thus far. The simplest one is his Avengers suit and it looks like shit, I'd go so far as to say that outfit was one of the prime reasons no one liked him prior to WS.

It's not that detailed. And where'd you get the idea that no one liked Cap before WS? That's simply not true.

I like Baby's design, especially his mature form and Baby-Vegeta.

[ekrolo2]

The BvS suit clearly had a neck and while it was too bulky, he didn't look fat at all. As for TDK suit. I don't like it. It's far too elaborate and barely looks like a batsuit except for the ears. I don't find it aesthetically pleasing. His Begins suit is the better looking suit in the trilogy because it looks like a batsuit than something military. The material is more akin to neoprene than rubber.

I don't think I would consider Cap's SHIELD suit that much more elaborate than his Avengers suit.

The BvS suit only looks good from the front for me, when you get a sideways look at it, its got this really bizarre abs beer belly that makes his abs hover over his belt like he's hitting the bottle (then again, Affleck's Batman is heavily implied to be an alcoholic at this point so maybe I'm not wrong).

The problem with the Begins suit is that the material looks like a big hunk of rubber all over and it all blends together way too much. Nothing besides the cape, gauntlets and belt sticks out, even the bat symbol is lost in it which is a problem it shares with TDK suit. His neck is also way too long and way too think and it makes him look awkward. That being said, the Begins suit probably has the best rendition of Batman's ears in anything.

It's not that detailed. And where'd you get the idea that no one liked Cap before WS? That's simply not true.

I like Baby's design, especially his mature form and Baby-Vegeta.

Its not that no one liked him, it's that a lot of the more average people and even readers like myself didn't really care for Evans Cap until WS. In the Avengers he's really, really boring and his costume does him no favors.

[Soppa Saia People]

And does. Oh wow Goku's hair turned gold, and spiked up sound any better?

It really does.
Anyway, I'm done with this. Responded if you want, just know I won't.

[Gog]

And does. Oh wow Goku's hair turned gold, and spiked up sound any better?

It really does.
Anyway, I'm done with this. Responded if you want, just know I won't.

Yeah, we're really getting nowhere with this, we'll just never agree, so I wish you good day.

[Freeza9000]

I honestly don't think that Vegetto was as useless and a "complete waste" as many people claim him to be in the previous Zamasu arc. I mean, Merged Zamasu was pretty nearby Goku and co's shelter ready to get vengeance. If not for Vegeta and Goku fusing to form Vegetto, Zamasu would've killed everyone in that shelter, including Gowasu, Kaioshin of U7, Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta. Although I will agree with one thing, the ending and climax of this arc was rushed and I do agree that Vegetto's fight with Zamasu could've lasted a bit longer than it did.

[kinisking]

And does. Oh wow Goku's hair turned gold, and spiked up sound any better?

It really does.
Anyway, I'm done with this. Responded if you want, just know I won't.

Yeah, we're really getting nowhere with this, we'll just never agree, so I wish you good day.

I'm with you. It's definitely a bigger change than ss2. Similar change to super Saiyan too.

[Gog]

It really does.
Anyway, I'm done with this. Responded if you want, just know I won't.

Yeah, we're really getting nowhere with this, we'll just never agree, so I wish you good day.

I'm with you. It's definitely a bigger change than ss2. Similar change to super Saiyan too.

Except I'd actually argue that the amount of change is similar to super saiyan 4, and 3

[Doctor.]

I hate the fact that Frost can transform for multiple reasons. It lends credit to the theory that king Cold has other forms, which I absolutely hate. It adds to the misconception that Freeza's true form is his first and not his last. And it makes it seem like they're set transformations the entire race can achieve, like the Super Saiyan forms, by having designs so similar to Freeza's.

I think it would have been much more interesting if he only had one form and that's it.

[Gog]

I hate the fact that Frost can transform for multiple reasons. It lends credit to the theory that king Cold has other forms, which I absolutely hate. It adds to the misconception that Freeza's true form is his first and not his last. And it makes it seem like they're set transformations the entire race can achieve, like the Super Saiyan forms, by having designs so similar to Freeza's.

I think it would have been much more interesting if he only had one form and that's it.

Actually I like the fact that Frost can transform, it completely destroys the idea that the forms are suppression, which I freaking love, and leads credence to the theory that the first form is the true form. Also if it bother's you, just imagine that the forms are incredibly rare mutations.

[Doctor.]

I hate the fact that Frost can transform for multiple reasons. It lends credit to the theory that king Cold has other forms, which I absolutely hate. It adds to the misconception that Freeza's true form is his first and not his last. And it makes it seem like they're set transformations the entire race can achieve, like the Super Saiyan forms, by having designs so similar to Freeza's.

I think it would have been much more interesting if he only had one form and that's it.

Actually I like the fact that Frost can transform, it completely destroys the idea that the forms are suppression, which I freaking love, and leads credence to the theory that the first form is the true form. Also if it bother's you, just imagine that the forms are incredibly rare mutations.

Freeza outright states in the manga that he created those forms to suppress himself.

[Boo Machine]

I hate the fact that Frost can transform for multiple reasons. It lends credit to the theory that king Cold has other forms, which I absolutely hate. It adds to the misconception that Freeza's true form is his first and not his last. And it makes it seem like they're set transformations the entire race can achieve, like the Super Saiyan forms, by having designs so similar to Freeza's.

I think it would have been much more interesting if he only had one form and that's it.

Agreed. I liked Frost a lot more when I thought his first form was his only form. I thought he looked cooler to. Disappointed when I saw that, not only does he transform, but his forms looked similar to Freeza's. Now that I think about it, I remember having pretty high hopes for Frost. Oh well.

[Gog]

I hate the fact that Frost can transform for multiple reasons. It lends credit to the theory that king Cold has other forms, which I absolutely hate. It adds to the misconception that Freeza's true form is his first and not his last. And it makes it seem like they're set transformations the entire race can achieve, like the Super Saiyan forms, by having designs so similar to Freeza's.

I think it would have been much more interesting if he only had one form and that's it.

Actually I like the fact that Frost can transform, it completely destroys the idea that the forms are suppression, which I freaking love, and leads credence to the theory that the first form is the true form. Also if it bother's you, just imagine that the forms are incredibly rare mutations.

Freeza outright states in the manga that he created those forms to suppress himself.

However King Kold's entire existence, throws what he says into doubt.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Freeza outright states in the manga that he created those forms to suppress himself.

He likes to run circles around that point.

I actually don't mind Frosts transformations. Since he's an obvious Freeza counterpart, it doesn't necessarily imply anything about the rest of his race.

[Gog]

Freeza outright states in the manga that he created those forms to suppress himself.

He likes to run circles around that point.

I actually don't mind Frosts transformations. Since he's an obvious Freeza counterpart, it doesn't necessarily imply anything about the rest of his race.

I would totally believe that line, if cold and Chilled didn't actually exist. So the line's thrown into doubt. That's all

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I would totally believe that line, if cold and Chilled didn't actually exist. So the line's thrown into doubt. That's all

You sure want them to throw it into doubt, but it only does when you selectively interpret things to a ridiculous measure.

[Doctor.]

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However King Kold's entire existence, throws what he says into doubt.

I don't see how. Cold was as strong as a suppressed Mecha Freeza. Him having other forms and not using them would be stupid. He doesn't because he considered Freeza and then Trunks, when Freeza died, the strongest in the universe. Freeza also wouldn't harp on and on about how he's the strongest if he was weaker than his father.

He likes to run circles around that point.

I actually don't mind Frosts transformations. Since he's an obvious Freeza counterpart, it doesn't necessarily imply anything about the rest of his race.

He doesn't run circles around it, he states it once then everything he says after that keeps that line consistent. It's recent material that tries to portray his first form as his true one.

He's his counterpart but only in concept. He has a different name, different life, different personality. His existence is unrelated to Freeza's, so him having the exact same thought of designing his forms in the exact same way comes across as unrealistic.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

He's his counterpart but only in concept.

That's all that matters.

[Doctor.]

He's his counterpart but only in concept.

That's all that matters.

I still find it stupid to have the forms be the same. You make it seem point of having Black's God form pink to distinguish the two Gokus but then Frost doesn't get the same treatment because reasons.

[Anime Kitten]

Frost's Final Form design is my favorite Universe 6 design so far, even surpassing Hit. (Still like Hit as a character more, mind you; I just prefer the design.)

[Jinzoningen MULE]

He's his counterpart but only in concept.

That's all that matters.

I still find it stupid to have the forms be the same. You make it seem point of having Black's God form pink to distinguish the two Gokus but then Frost doesn't get the same treatment because reasons.

The Rose transformation was a different color because there needs to be a new Super Saiyan transformation every arc it was fabulous.

Frost was already easily distinguishable from Freeza. New transformations weren't aesthetically necessary.