Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Doctor. wrote:
What do you mean "in theory"? Freeza created his forms, he designs them as he wants them. There's nothing to debate here.
Never stated that he designed them, he just.. transforms. The mechanics aren't specified.
Only the Golden Form is outright stated to be by personal design.
It's implied that he designs them himself. If he created them to suppress himself, then it's almost guaranteed that he designs them himself. Why wouldn't he be able to design his own creation?
No it isn't. An assumption about how one thinks it might have been achieved does not an implication make.
He could have simply tried to suppress himself and that's what he ended up with without actually trying to create a specific look for his forms.
It doesn't, considering Freeza in the same movie stated he never trained before. So, if they were augmentation forms like you claim, then he must have had trained before in order to achieve them. But, again, not continuing the argument.
No again. Freeza could simply one day have decided to power up and then his body adapting to the high influx of power changed accordingly just because.
The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
Can you tell why the cell saga is terrible because I'm interested
Gog wrote:Resurrection F is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
Gog wrote:Resurrection F Dragon Ball Minus is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
At times I find fighting tedious and wish fights were shorter and the series had more emphasis on social life.
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Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
Can you tell why the cell saga is terrible because I'm interested
I'll explain,the large ungodly amount of asspulls, the boring villain Cell, the androids make no sense, Gohan grows a new character trait, the cast becomes more idiotic, the mess the whole arc is, super saiyan 2 Gohan.
floofychan333 wrote:At times I find fighting tedious and wish fights were shorter and the series had more emphasis on social life.
We got that The Great Saiyaman episodes to a large extent and it gets tiresome pretty quickly.
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Honestly I would have preferred if everything was kept on earth, you could still keep people like Freeza, Cell, Buu, Beerus, and Black. You'd just have to scatter them around the world.
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I don't know how unpopular this opinion is but here it goes:
Japanese dub> English dub
Yes, I grew up and loved the Funimation dub of DBZ. But I prefer the Japanese dub now because it feels like it fits more better. Like I enjoy the honorifics for characters like Beerus-sama than Lord Beerus.
DBS916 wrote:I don't know how unpopular this opinion is but here it goes:
Japanese dub> English dub
Yes, I grew up and loved the Funimation dub of DBZ. But I prefer the Japanese dub now because it feels like it fits more better. Like I enjoy the honorifics for characters like Beerus-sama than Lord Beerus.
DBS916 wrote:I don't know how unpopular this opinion is but here it goes:
Japanese dub> English dub
Yes, I grew up and loved the Funimation dub of DBZ. But I prefer the Japanese dub now because it feels like it fits more better. Like I enjoy the honorifics for characters like Beerus-sama than Lord Beerus.
That's not actually an unpopular opinion on here, you know.
Atp23 wrote:Despite not being 100% "as it was in jump" the Soshuhen version of the manga is great, and is my favorite version of the manga.
Despite it using Kanzenban corrections and the extended ending? That kind of defeated the purpose of the release, I prefer the Kanzenban (really need to learn how to read that, now that we're thinking about it).
I think it would have been naive to think Shueisha was releasing exact replicas of the Weekly chapters (I was hopefully too, sure). Seemed to me the purpose was to have a volume the size of Weekly jump, and include lots of the little extras that go along with it. Having a volume in the dimensions of Weekly and one still closer to the original jump issues than the kanzenban, is enough for me to be happy with it。
Speaking of the dubs, I think they're about equal. Some voices are better and some are worse in both. I still slightly prefer the dub because Goku and Gohan .
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
kinisking wrote:Speaking of the dubs, I think they're about equal. Some voices are better and some are worse in both. I still slightly prefer the dub because Goku and Gohan .
That comment was incredibly vague. What do you mean by "the dubs"? In the English Language region alone almost every series has at least two confirmed dubs in existence (the main exception is The Final Chapters, and by confirmed I mean the infamous Ocean Kai dub that still hasn't been released). Also, equal in what way? The scripts for the English dubs can vary to almost the same (Curse of the Blood Rubies with 1980s Harmony Gold, 1995 Funi/BLT, and 2010 Funi) to very different (Compare Funi's various dubs of DBZ with their dub of Kai for the equivalent episodes, or to stay with DBZ old Funi episode 54 and Remastered episode 67). The acting of course varies from dub to dub.
Robo4900 wrote:Mouse is BRILLIANT SCIENTIST dumb.
CAT LOVES FOOD dumb.
Jack is just kinda dumb.
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It's believable someone would name a mouse Jack.
It's not at all believable someone would call a mouse Mouse.
Takes you straight out of the experience.
Neither line is good, but Funi's is so much worse [when compared to Blue Water's].
This is prehaps the most unpopular opinion of all.
Dragon Ball Z was never actually that good, now don't get me wrong the saiyan saga, and the Freeza saga were fantastic. And I'll gadly read both of them again, as they are well made. But then comes along the android and Cell saga with its confusing plot hole ridden, plot contrived, ass pull ridden, character killing mess. Than there was the Buu saga, which was an enjoyable, but still all of what the Cell saga, and android saga was.
Gog wrote:Resurrection F Dragon Ball Minus is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
Fixed that for ya
Yeah, a story that boldlly says "FUCK YOU!!!" to the previously established story is factually the worst no if, ends, or buts.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
