The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

Daikaioshin vs Kibitoshin.
I give this to Daikaioshin but what about you guys?
West Kaioshin vs SSJ2 Gohan(Saiyaman Arc)
I actually give this to West Kaioshin but what about you guys?

[Mjb1985]

I generally assume South Kaioshin is weaker than Ssj Gohan. So KibitoKai is the winner here imo. And if Ssj Gohan > South , then obviously West has no chance against Ssj2 Gohan.

[Draken]

It also gives him patience until he perfects the Daddy's little Princess dance. The Dance of cheering you up is what helps him cope with no polishing.

Well, we just did it again guys, who's up for round 3?!

I'd go with Kibitoshin, Daikaioshin isn't exactly shown to be strong and all powerful.

[Mjb1985]

Yea man. KibitoKai is at least Potara boosted. He may not be terribly strong but he's a Potara fusion. I dont think it's fair to compare him to any individual Kaioshin , just different levels of power imo.

[dbzfan7]

Daikaioshin vs Kibitoshin.
I give this to Daikaioshin but what about you guys?
West Kaioshin vs SSJ2 Gohan(Saiyaman Arc)
I actually give this to West Kaioshin but what about you guys?

I have never seen either of them in action besides Dai Kaioshin in the anime. Even then we have no idea how strong Kibitoshin is. All we know is that he is useless for the fight against Pure Boo and Bootenks.

We have no idea what West Kaioshin is capable of so I don't see how we can decide a victor.

[RandomGuy96]

Daikaioshin vs Kibitoshin.
I give this to Daikaioshin but what about you guys?
West Kaioshin vs SSJ2 Gohan(Saiyaman Arc)
I actually give this to West Kaioshin but what about you guys?

Not really sure. Southy is the only one who's implied/shown/stated to be very powerful. He's the difference between Buff and Kid Buu (which is massive, and no, him somehow multiplying Buu is complete speculation that's never even hinted at anywhere), Buu actually felt forced to absorb him (unlike Goku and the other two Kaioshin), East was surprised that he got absorbed (saying that he was "somehow" absorbed, a qualifier he didn't add for the absorbption of Dai and the deaths of West and North), and a filler scene depicted him actually gaining the advantage against a serious Kid Buu. So he's strong enough to roflstomp any non-fused character bar Gohan- but we don't know anything about the others. However I'd say that West and Dai would win both fights simply because I don't think it makes sense for Southy to be THAT much stronger than them, and I see Kibito Kai was around Majin Vegeta's level. Also because Kibito heavily implied that SS2 Gohan's power wouldn't be anything special if he was a Kaioshin (isn't it funny how Kibito and Kaioshin forgot how to sense energy after that scene?). He's not impressed by his strength, just surprised that he's a mortal.

[Mjb1985]

I don't think South was all that strong. Buff Buu certainly wasn't forced to absorb Dai Kaioshin considering

Buff Buu > Kid Buu > South Kaioshin > Dai Kaioshin

So if Buff didn't absorb Dai Kaioshin because of strength , I don't see why he would absorb South because he was too strong.

[RandomGuy96]

Because that's the first time he ever absorbed anyone, and we never see Buu absorb someone without reason. The most likely chain of events was Buu fought Southy, was losing, absorbed him, became stronger, then wanted to become even stronger than that and so absorbed the next Kaioshin. And who says Kid Buu > South? If anything South >>> Kid Buu considering how strong Buff Buu is, and how Kid was forced to use absorbption, a tactic Buu usually doesn't use unless he's desperate. This is especially notable because Buu just flat-out killed the first two. I see that whole thing as a Buuccolo and Gohan type scenario. Why would he absorb this one if he was supposedly similarly pathetic to the other two? And why would South randomly multiply his power when that was never mentioned, never implied, goes against how Buu's absorbptions work, and pretty much renders Southy's strength moot, making it unnecessary for East to mention it?

[TheMightyOzaru]

Piccolo(Artificial Human Arc) vs Cooler(Final Form)

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo(Artificial Human Arc) vs Cooler(Final Form)

I'm assuming you mean before he fuses with Kami? If so, Cooler stomps. He's stronger than any non-Super Saiyan at that point in the series, IMO.
After they fuse though, Kamiccolo's got this.

[RandomGuy96]

We don't really know how strong Piccolo was. Comparable to a Super Saiyan is all we have to go on. I'd go with Cooler simply because the statements and implications in Movie 5 and supplemental materials suggest he's pretty beastly, and I don't see Piccolo rising to that level of power that fast. He's, max, maybe as strong as Yardrat Goku (some people like to put him above Trunks due to his confidence in fighting the androids who were supposed to be stronger than Trunks) while Cooler nearly defeated a Goku who had two big boosts since Yardrat.

Oh, and another thing: Trunks was apparently stronger than Piccolo in this arc, yet with only eight months of basic training, he could not have possibly improved that much from the Mecha Arc. Since I think Cooler would stomp that Trunks, I'm going to say he stomps Piccolo too. He may not even have to use his final form.

I'm assuming you mean before he fuses with Kami? If so, Cooler stomps. He's stronger than any non-Super Saiyan at that point in the series, IMO.

And he should still be stronger than Trunks.

[Mjb1985]

I don't know. I just don't see South Kaioshin being >>> Kid Buu. I don't think Buu was forced to absorb South or Dai Kaioshin. I have no idea why he absorbed them.

I think Piccolo can take Cooler quite easily. Piccolo to me is probably a good deal stronger than Trunks was 3 years ago and I don't think final form Cooler is much stronger than say 70% Freeza.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Piccolo(Artificial Human Arc) vs Cooler(Final Form)

I'm assuming you mean before he fuses with Kami? If so, Cooler stomps. He's stronger than any non-Super Saiyan at that point in the series, IMO.
After they fuse though, Kamiccolo's got this.

Really? I have Piccolo exactly equal to Cooler before he fuses with Kami .

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo(Artificial Human Arc) vs Cooler(Final Form)

I'm assuming you mean before he fuses with Kami? If so, Cooler stomps. He's stronger than any non-Super Saiyan at that point in the series, IMO.
After they fuse though, Kamiccolo's got this.

Really? I have Piccolo exactly equal to Cooler before he fuses with Kami .

Well, I have Cooler in his final form somewhere between 200 and 240 million, as I treat it has kind of the Super Saiyan 2 version of his race. So his true form would be 100-120 million, about even with Freeza. I see Piccolo being slightly stronger than SSJ Trunks when he first appeared, so about 140-160 million.

[Mjb1985]

Oh sorry you said Final Form. I think Piccolo can be above Yardrat Goku. Piccolo isn't far off from Vegeta in the Androids Saga so he should be über stronger imo.

I don't think Goku is post Yardrat in Movie 5.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Well, I have Cooler in his final form somewhere between 200 and 240 million, as I treat it has kind of the Super Saiyan 2 version of his race. So his true form would be 100-120 million, about even with Freeza. I see Piccolo being slightly stronger than SSJ Trunks when he first appeared, so about 140-160 million.

I have em both at 180,000,000

[Mjb1985]

Don't you think Piccolo should be more than just slightly above Trunks? Piccolo manhandled 20 , who is probably stronger than 19 , who is on par with sick Goku more or less.

[Kamiccolo9]

Don't you think Piccolo should be more than just slightly above Trunks? Piccolo manhandled 20 , who is probably stronger than 19 , who is on par with sick Goku more or less.

Goku was dominating 19 until he absorbed the Kamehameha. I have both the androids being weaker than 100% Freeza.

[Mjb1985]

I'm referring to Post Absorbtion Androids.

Vegeta > Goku > Trunks > Piccolo > 20 Post > 19 Post , Sick Goku > 20 > 19

Is what I go with.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think Goku is post Yardrat in Movie 5.

He is. He references having been to Yardrat in Movie 6 and the guides place Movie 5 during the android training.

Anyway, like I said, Trunks can't possibly be that much stronger than he was in the Mecha Arc, and Piccolo was still weaker than him. Cooler stomps.