ArchedThunder wrote:LowRyder2005 wrote:Hold on, though, why are people blaming Toyotaro for this?
Toyotaro follows Toriyama's narrative directions and the sketches he draws (or writes) are ultimately always supervised/ revised by Toriyama if the latter deems it necessary.
Toyotaro is quite literally the "hand" of Toriyama in Super's manga. It's Toriyama that has the last word here.
As for Vegeta, yeah, probably turning off Blue before the last fight was kind of a careless mistake. (Still, to me the anime has made much, much worse in comparison).
Toyotaro just adapts Toriyama's outline, just the same as Toei. Toriyama looks over the storyboards for the manga, but we only know of a single instance of him actually changing anything and that was for a gag, we also know that Toriyama wants Toyotaro to start putting in his own ideas and over all this was very different from the anime version while everything else was pretty similar.
That's exactly my point, in fact. And that's enough to argue that he approves it. I mean, if he had a problem with everything that was shown here or thought it was inconsistent with the story, he'd have changed it.
It's not exactly like, say, Stan Lee and Chris Claremont with the X-Men; Claremont didn't send everything to Stan Lee, waiting for possible corrections, creative inputs and stuff.
It's pretty much delegated authority to expand the story all right, but it's Toriyama that ultimately takes reponsability for what the manga shows since he goes over everything at least one time before it's finalized.
Same'd go for the anime, but given his dissatisfaction with the final product I'm given the impression that he's far less involved, at least not on a "panel per panel" basis. He's officially only credited for the original story and the character drafts.
BS is BS even if it has Toriyama's approval. People have no problem calling out on Toei for one reason or another, and Toriyama looks over their scripts too. It's cherry-picking. If it something we like, Toriyama did it. If it sucks, must be Toei's fault. Since the anime and the manga did two different things here, this is Toyotaro since it was his idea. Toriyama just allowed it.
That happens simply because TOEI has dozens of people in their staff among writers, storyboarders, artists and directors involved with Super. Like I said before, Toriyama is credited with the story and the character drafts; dialogues, narration, specific scenarios (read "plot of episode X") and minor tidbits are usually TOEI's byproducts.
Now, you can't really blame people if they find the manga kind of more "faithful", since the manga is the work of two, and we've had proof that Toriyama is
directly involved in the more detailed narrative process, while what he factually does in the anime other than giving general directions is still very up in the air. We've already had instances in which Toriyama was reportedly surprised with the overall quality (or lack thereof) of the anime, addressing therefore some kind of distance between himself and the production; the manga on the contrary appears to be shoulder-to-shoulder.
