"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SonReggie]

That's a fan picture. That thing been on the net for months.

Whatever. We know for a fact that Vegeta will be fighting Jiren. We know for a fact that SSB and SSBKKx20 (which Vegeta can't even do anyway) are useless against Jiren. We also know that Vegeta witnessed Goku, using SSBKKx20, get stomped by Jiren.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Vegeta is gettting UI.

You're really gonna die on this hill?

We'll see. As I said, we already know SSBKKx20 is no threat to Jiren, and Vegeta can't do the KK powerup.

Again, agree with this post:

Vegeta's getting something. The episodes name is all about him, he's fighting Jiren, and it's going to have top of the line animation. It's clearly a BIG episode. We already know SSB/SSBKKx20 is nothing to Jiren, so either Vegeta's SSB is going to be massively stronger than SSBKKx20 or he's going to get a version of UI. There's no other way he can even slightly push Jiren otherwise. Obviously he's not going to win, but if you really think it's going to be an utter stomp when the episode is CLEARLY about Vegeta then I don't know what to tell you.

[ArchedThunder]

Whatever. We know for a fact that Vegeta will be fighting Jiren. We know for a fact that SSB and SSBKKx20 (which Vegeta can't even do anyway) are useless against Jiren. We also know that Vegeta witnessed Goku, using SSBKKx20, get stomped by Jiren.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Vegeta is gettting UI.

You're really gonna die on this hill?

We'll see. As I said, we already know SSBKKx20 is no threat to Jiren, and Vegeta can't do the KK powerup.

Again, agree with this post:

Vegeta's getting something. The episodes name is all about him, he's fighting Jiren, and it's going to have top of the line animation. It's clearly a BIG episode. We already know SSB/SSBKKx20 is nothing to Jiren, so either Vegeta's SSB is going to be massively stronger than SSBKKx20 or he's going to get a version of UI. There's no other way he can even slightly push Jiren otherwise. Obviously he's not going to win, but if you really think it's going to be an utter stomp when the episode is CLEARLY about Vegeta then I don't know what to tell you.

Or, you know, Vegeta just loses.

[Michsi]

That's a fan picture. That thing been on the net for months.

Whatever. We know for a fact that Vegeta will be fighting Jiren. We know for a fact that SSB and SSBKKx20 (which Vegeta can't even do anyway) are useless against Jiren. We also know that Vegeta witnessed Goku, using SSBKKx20, get stomped by Jiren.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Vegeta is gettting UI.

You're really gonna die on this hill?

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

[namekiansaiyan]

Whatever. We know for a fact that Vegeta will be fighting Jiren. We know for a fact that SSB and SSBKKx20 (which Vegeta can't even do anyway) are useless against Jiren. We also know that Vegeta witnessed Goku, using SSBKKx20, get stomped by Jiren.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Vegeta is gettting UI.

You're really gonna die on this hill?

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

Don't worry Piccolo used the multiform technique and it will be a clone on the bench.

[Michsi]

You're really gonna die on this hill?

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

Don't worry Piccolo used the multiform technique and it will be a clone on the bench.

Will this replace the Hit clone theory? Sure, why not.

[SonReggie]

Whatever. We know for a fact that Vegeta will be fighting Jiren. We know for a fact that SSB and SSBKKx20 (which Vegeta can't even do anyway) are useless against Jiren. We also know that Vegeta witnessed Goku, using SSBKKx20, get stomped by Jiren.

Therefore, as far as I am concerned, Vegeta is gettting UI.

You're really gonna die on this hill?

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

I suspect it'll follow the usual routine, much the same as we saw with Hit.

Namely:
- Vegeta fights Jiren, most likely as SSB
- Vegeta probably gets thrown around the ring a lot, much the same as SSBKKx20 Goku did
- Something happens to Vegeta (not going to say UI since some refuse to beleive that this could happen and no longer interested in arguing that point)
- Vegeta gives Jiren something of a challenge (or at the very least makes Jiren work harder); Goku observes
- Vegeta gets beaten, but Goku gains some kind of insight regarding how Jiren fights

Or, you know, Vegeta just loses.

Improbable. He's not a complete idiot - Jiren's power is known to all and he saw what he did to SSBKKx20 Goku. If he's challenging Jiren, he's got something we haven't yet seen on standby.

[namekiansaiyan]

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

Don't worry Piccolo used the multiform technique and it will be a clone on the bench.

Will this replace the Hit clone theory? Sure, why not.

I still wanted the Hit thing to be real. If the Grand Priest says nothing or his picture is not darkened then I will start believing.

[Birusu16]

You're really gonna die on this hill?

We'll see. As I said, we already know SSBKKx20 is no threat to Jiren, and Vegeta can't do the KK powerup.

Again, agree with this post:

Vegeta's getting something. The episodes name is all about him, he's fighting Jiren, and it's going to have top of the line animation. It's clearly a BIG episode. We already know SSB/SSBKKx20 is nothing to Jiren, so either Vegeta's SSB is going to be massively stronger than SSBKKx20 or he's going to get a version of UI. There's no other way he can even slightly push Jiren otherwise. Obviously he's not going to win, but if you really think it's going to be an utter stomp when the episode is CLEARLY about Vegeta then I don't know what to tell you.

Or, you know, Vegeta just loses.

Who's disputing that he's going to lose?

The dispute is coming from people believing he's going to get his ass kicked in 5 seconds in an episode that revolves around him and is going to have top of the line art/animation. Combine that with the fact that he's fighting Jiren and it's obvious it's a big episode. The focus is squarely on Vegeta in this episode, which means he should at least do something notable to Jiren before going down. Doesn't mean he's getting UI, but absolutely refusing to believe it's possible is ridiculous, especially since it's the only form that's been shown to be capable of putting up any kind of decent fight against Jiren thus far.

[ArchedThunder]

We'll see. As I said, we already know SSBKKx20 is no threat to Jiren, and Vegeta can't do the KK powerup.

Again, agree with this post:

Or, you know, Vegeta just loses.

Who's disputing that he's going to lose?

The dispute is coming from people believing he's going to get his ass kicked in 5 seconds in an episode that revolves around him and is going to have top of the line art/animation. Combine that with the fact that he's fighting Jiren and it's obvious it's a big episode. The focus is squarely on Vegeta in this episode, which means he should at least do something notable to Jiren before going down. Doesn't mean he's getting UI, but absolutely refusing to believe it's possible is ridiculous, especially since it's the only form that's been shown to be capable of putting up any kind of decent fight against Jiren thus far.

Nobody is saying he's going to go out in 5 seconds, he can be in Blue, get a few hits in, figure out something about Jiren and lose. Also Vegeta's name being in the title doesn't mean the focus is only on him.

Dragon Ball Super Episode 112 – A Saiyan's Vow! Vegeta's Resolution!!

[Michsi]

You're really gonna die on this hill?

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

I suspect it'll follow the usual routine, much the same as we saw with Hit.

Namely:
- Vegeta fights Jiren, most likely as SSB
- Vegeta probably gets thrown around the ring a lot, much the same as SSBKKx20 Goku did
- Something happens to Vegeta (not going to say UI since some refuse to beleive that this could happen and no longer interested in arguing that point)
- Vegeta gives Jiren something of a challenge (or at the very least makes Jiren work harder); Goku observes
- Vegeta gets beaten, but Goku gains some kind of insight regarding how Jiren fights

Vegeta not getting UI is more or less because of Whis' comments about him having his own style, so if they'll continue with that line of thinking, he might get a moment of glory based on willpower/pride/rage etc. Similar to the "my Bulma" moment.

[namekiansaiyan]

Or, you know, Vegeta just loses.

Who's disputing that he's going to lose?

The dispute is coming from people believing he's going to get his ass kicked in 5 seconds in an episode that revolves around him and is going to have top of the line art/animation. Combine that with the fact that he's fighting Jiren and it's obvious it's a big episode. The focus is squarely on Vegeta in this episode, which means he should at least do something notable to Jiren before going down. Doesn't mean he's getting UI, but absolutely refusing to believe it's possible is ridiculous, especially since it's the only form that's been shown to be capable of putting up any kind of decent fight against Jiren thus far.

Nobody is saying he's going to go out in 5 seconds. Also Vegeta's name being in the title doesn't mean the focus is only on him.

Dragon Ball Super Episode 112 – A Saiyan's Vow! Vegeta's Resolution!!

All characters from Universe 7 will probably fall at the end of an episode.

[Birusu16]

Or, you know, Vegeta just loses.

Who's disputing that he's going to lose?

The dispute is coming from people believing he's going to get his ass kicked in 5 seconds in an episode that revolves around him and is going to have top of the line art/animation. Combine that with the fact that he's fighting Jiren and it's obvious it's a big episode. The focus is squarely on Vegeta in this episode, which means he should at least do something notable to Jiren before going down. Doesn't mean he's getting UI, but absolutely refusing to believe it's possible is ridiculous, especially since it's the only form that's been shown to be capable of putting up any kind of decent fight against Jiren thus far.

Nobody is saying he's going to go out in 5 seconds. Also Vegeta's name being in the title doesn't mean the focus is only on him.

Dragon Ball Super Episode 112 – A Saiyan's Vow! Vegeta's Resolution!!

I didn't say it was only on him. I said he'd be the focal point of the episode. The 1 hour special wasn't only about Goku and Jiren yet they were the focal point of that episode. The point being that the episode is prioritizing Vegeta's fight with the "strongest" (obviously Jiren).

Except Blue was already proven to be useless against Jiren. So has SSBKKx20. The only way he could get any decent hits in against Jiren in Blue is if it's significantly above SSBKKx20.

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta is getting his arse kicked by Jiren the second he faces him so unless episode 122 is about Dyspo or Toppo then Vegeta is going out that episode.

[SonReggie]

To be fair, out of all the characters of the main cast, he's been treated the best as far as upgrades go. Him getting something, fits with how he's been treated up until now. It's likely that he'll lose, but he'll definitely push Jiren into a corner a little bit somehow. It makes no sense to pit him against Jiren to show how strong he is because we already know that; it only makes sense if they plan on showing something interesting with the fight and I don't think it will be an episode dedicated to Vegeta getting kicked around the ring.

Piccolo getting the short end? Yeah, that's par for the course at this point. But Vegeta? Only when compared to Goku.

I suspect it'll follow the usual routine, much the same as we saw with Hit.

Namely:
- Vegeta fights Jiren, most likely as SSB
- Vegeta probably gets thrown around the ring a lot, much the same as SSBKKx20 Goku did
- Something happens to Vegeta (not going to say UI since some refuse to beleive that this could happen and no longer interested in arguing that point)
- Vegeta gives Jiren something of a challenge (or at the very least makes Jiren work harder); Goku observes
- Vegeta gets beaten, but Goku gains some kind of insight regarding how Jiren fights

Vegeta not getting UI is more or less because of Whis' comments about him having his own style, so if they'll continue with that line of thinking, he might get a moment of glory based on willpower/pride/rage etc. Similar to the "my Bulma" moment.

Not impossible that he could acheieve a version of UI unique to him though. It's based upon "breaking through the shell/limitations". THAT is something liable to be unique to the individual and their personal limitations.

I mean, he didn't acheieve Super Saiyan the same way as Goku, did he. And neither did the U6 Saiyans. So why the assumption that there is set formula for UI to be acheived?

[Artorias]

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

[TheOne]

So people are treating their assumptions as fact as per usual. As for Vegeta, my prediction is that he doesn't get UI.

I hope not.

Most none Vegeta fans feel that way.

If you’re a fan like I am, you hope it happens. Or at least them hinting that he will get it down eventually.

[Jigurashi]

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

It's interesting and a good prediction. I would prefer Jiren winning over either Goku or Gohan though.

So people are treating their assumptions as fact as per usual. As for Vegeta, my prediction is that he doesn't get UI.

I hope not.

Most none Vegeta fans feel that way.

If you’re a fan like I am, you hope it happens. Or at least them hinting that he will get it down eventually.

For me it isn't even about being a fan or not. I simply feel he isn't getting it this saga as nothing implies he is, and all the promotion and the saga itself is clearly foreshadowing to Goku utilizing both aspects of UI. Vegeta will get UI in the future though. That's pretty obvious. I just don't see it happening this saga. He'll probably get it sometime next saga.

[Olympian]

So I get that part of the rumors surrounding Spoilers is Piccolo falling off the ring in a "stupider manner" than Ten and Vegeta eventually getting out against Jiren as well without attaining UL?

Man, you miss one day and fandom is upside down.

[SonReggie]

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

It won't happen - I KNOW it won't. But dear god I would love to see Freeza vs Jiren in the end. How ironic would it be that the hopes of U7 would rest on Freeza of all people?

[Artorias]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

It's interesting and a good prediction. I would prefer Jiren winning over either Goku or Gohan though.

I've seen this opinion a lot, and I honestly can't relate to it. The LAST thing I want to see is freaking Jiren, the single most boring character this franchise has ever produced, win this thing. That would just be a slap in the face to me. I think it's a bad idea narratively to make your audience sit through an entire ordeal of an arc only to have the bland antagonist that quite literally no one likes come out on top. I don't even really like the idea of an antagonist in general just straight up winning, let alone a bland lump of nothing like Jiren.

Also, this is kinda more what I think is going to actually happen, not what I WANT to happen. My ideal dream ending would be a Goku and Gohan tag team where they take out all three Pride Troopers together. But I don't see that happening honestly.