"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo is going to trip over the bugs and take them with him after he knocks Shantsa out.

[Artorias]

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

It won't happen - I KNOW it won't. But dear god I would love to see Freeza vs Jiren in the end. How ironic would it be that the hopes of U7 would rest on Freeza of all people?

Honestly...I wouldn't like that. I don't think it's a good idea when crafting a story to have the climax be between two antagonists, where you're essentially forcing the audience to root for a scumbag that you're otherwise supposed to hate. I just think it would be extremely unsatisfying, no matter which of them won. I need one of the "good guys" to be in the finale for me to truly give a shit.

[Jigurashi]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

It's interesting and a good prediction. I would prefer Jiren winning over either Goku or Gohan though.

I've seen this opinion a lot, and I honestly can't relate to it. The LAST thing I want to see is freaking Jiren, the single most boring character this franchise has ever produced, win this thing. That would just be a slap in the face to me. I think it's a bad idea narratively to make your audience sit through an entire ordeal of an arc only to have the bland antagonist that quite literally no one likes come out on top. I don't even really like the idea of an antagonist in general just straight up winning, let alone a bland lump of nothing like Jiren.

Also, this is kinda more what I think is going to actually happen, not what I WANT to happen. My ideal dream ending would be a Goku and Gohan tag team where they take out all three Pride Troopers together. But I don't see that happening honestly.

I don't have a single problem with Goku winning this one. I just want Jiren to win more. Also I'll need a source on nobody liking Jiren.

[SonReggie]

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

It won't happen - I KNOW it won't. But dear god I would love to see Freeza vs Jiren in the end. How ironic would it be that the hopes of U7 would rest on Freeza of all people?

Honestly...I wouldn't like that. I don't think it's a good idea when crafting a story to have the climax be between two antagonists, where you're essentially forcing the audience to root for a scumbag that you're otherwise supposed to hate. I just think it would be extremely unsatisfying, no matter which of them won. I need one of the "good guys" to be in the finale for me to truly give a shit.

True. It won't happen anyway.

Just thought it would be an ironic 'what if' scenario.

[HeroR]

So I get that part of the rumors surrounding Spoilers is Piccolo falling off the ring in a "stupider manner" than Ten and Vegeta eventually getting out against Jiren as well without attaining UL?

Man, you miss one day and fandom is upside down.

Vegeta losing is rumor. Piccolo is going out to U4. That has been confirmed.

[HeroR]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.

You're not alone. I wouldn't mind Goku winning since that actually would be unpredictable. The 'Goku always wins' hasn't been true in Super since it started, unless we count Freeza who is kinda iffy, and I'm not sure why Goku losing is still treated as a novelty. Heck, it wasn't even true in Z.

[Artorias]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.

It's interesting and a good prediction. I would prefer Jiren winning over either Goku or Gohan though.

I've seen this opinion a lot, and I honestly can't relate to it. The LAST thing I want to see is freaking Jiren, the single most boring character this franchise has ever produced, win this thing. That would just be a slap in the face to me. I think it's a bad idea narratively to make your audience sit through an entire ordeal of an arc only to have the bland antagonist that quite literally no one likes come out on top. I don't even really like the idea of an antagonist in general just straight up winning, let alone a bland lump of nothing like Jiren.

Also, this is kinda more what I think is going to actually happen, not what I WANT to happen. My ideal dream ending would be a Goku and Gohan tag team where they take out all three Pride Troopers together. But I don't see that happening honestly.

I don't have a single problem with Goku winning this one. I just want Jiren to win more. Also I'll need a source on nobody liking Jiren.

I can see that. Jiren really has not lived up to the hype whatsoever. He's done little to no work in this entire tournament, FAR less than most of the people on U7 and U6. Not a good way to portray your antagonist. Freeza sat around and did nothing for a large chunk of the Namek arc, but EVENTUALLY he stepped up and starting killing fools.

[BlueBasilisk]

Figured this would be a decent place to post this. Here's how I see the ending of this tournament playing out:

-Androids are eliminated in 121.
-Rest of U7 defeats the robots and eliminates U3.
-Vegeta loses to Jiren.
-This leaves us with a 3 v 3 finale with Goku, Gohan, and Freeza each taking on a Pride Trooper. Goku fights Jiren, Gohan takes on Toppo, Freeza goes against Dyspo.
-Freeza and Gohan win their fights
-3 v 1 against Jiren
-Jiren eliminates Freeza and Gohan
-Goku v Jiren climax with Goku winning
OR
-Alternatively, Jiren eliminates Freeza, Goku and Jiren KO each other, Gohan last man standing.

I'd be curious to know people's thoughts.

Doesn't sound too bad. I could see Gohan winning because his team paved the way for him. Him being weaker than Goku and Frieza would keep some of the heat from Jiren off his back. I think it'll most likely be Gohan if U7 wins or Toppo if 11 wins.

I do hope Vegeta is somehow able to keep his promise to Cabba. It'd be great for their relationship.

[Artorias]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.

You're not alone. I wouldn't mind Goku winning since that actually would be unpredictable. The 'Goku always wins' hasn't been true in Super since it started, unless we count Freeza who is kinda iffy, and I'm not sure why Goku losing is still treated as a novelty. Heck, it wasn't even true in Z.

Exactly. Good to see someone else out there actually pays attention lmao. I for the life of me cannot understand where the "Goku always wins" thing comes from. It's not even REMOTELY true. And it hasn't been pretty much ever since the BEGINNING of DBZ.

[Gt91]

Poor piccolo ...
Good to see more attention on c-17/18 and a great fight about vegeta! He'll probably get UI

[HeroR]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.

You're not alone. I wouldn't mind Goku winning since that actually would be unpredictable. The 'Goku always wins' hasn't been true in Super since it started, unless we count Freeza who is kinda iffy, and I'm not sure why Goku losing is still treated as a novelty. Heck, it wasn't even true in Z.

Exactly. Good to see someone else out there actually pays attention lmao. I for the life of me cannot understand where the "Goku always wins" thing comes from. It's not even REMOTELY true. And it hasn't been pretty much ever since the BEGINNING of DBZ.

I think it comes from GT and the movies. Like people saying that Goku always used the Spirit Bomb to win when the Spirit Bomb has a shitty record in the manga and anime.

But I wouldn't call Jiren the most boring character in Dragon Ball. That honor goes to Cell, Super 17, and Omega Shenron.

[The gr]

Wow sucks to be a piccolo fan right now,the poor guy never catches a break and i'm suprised #18 is getting a better threatment than him.

You know what i'm mad at,vegeta possibly losing jiren,you know why because is dumb,we don't need to see how strong jiren is because goku and hit demonstrated that,i won't complain if this was the manga since goku does not use the Kaio ken but here vegeta is so behind goku,is not even funny.

Also very pissed with U4 getting out in their focus episode in spite of their build up,man this tournament have been pretty mediocre with the handling of the other universes,i can only hope the robots of U3 eleminate #18 and maybe #17 since they lasted this long.

[Artorias]

You're not alone. I wouldn't mind Goku winning since that actually would be unpredictable. The 'Goku always wins' hasn't been true in Super since it started, unless we count Freeza who is kinda iffy, and I'm not sure why Goku losing is still treated as a novelty. Heck, it wasn't even true in Z.

Exactly. Good to see someone else out there actually pays attention lmao. I for the life of me cannot understand where the "Goku always wins" thing comes from. It's not even REMOTELY true. And it hasn't been pretty much ever since the BEGINNING of DBZ.

I think it comes from GT and the movies. Like people saying that Goku always used the Spirit Bomb to win when the Spirit Bomb has a shitty record in the manga and anime.

But I wouldn't call Jiren the most boring character in Dragon Ball. That honor goes to Cell, Super 17, and Omega Shenron.

I don't know...Cell is actually relatively interesting to me. Well...at least compared to the other ones you listed. I quite enjoyed his suave personality and the fact that he had a little bit of Vegeta and Freeza smarminess to him. I had fun whenever he was on screen, something I can't say for Jiren.

And even then, Omega Shenron and Super 17 AT LEAST had the benefit of having cool designs and attacks. Jiren not only lacks personality, but he also lacks a design. He's just a generic alien in a red jumpsuit. There's quite literally NOTHING to latch onto with his character.

It's just strange that after coming off of some of the BEST villains this franchise has ever seen in Black and Zamasu, we immediately pivot the other direction with this joke of a "character".

[namekiansaiyan]

Wow sucks to be a piccolo fan right now,the poor guy never catches a break and i'm suprised #18 is getting a better threatment than him.You know what i'm mad at,vegeta possibly losing jiren,you know why because is dumb,we don't need to see how strong jiren is because goku and hit demonstrated that,i won't complain if this was the manga since goku does not use the Kaio ken but here vegeta is so behind goku,is not even funny.

It is not just 18 getting better treatment but Roshi and 17 as well.

[The gr]

It is not just 18 getting better treatment but Roshi and 17 as well.

I was expecting those guy to get good treatment,especially with roshi.

[perucho1990]

Piccolo is just a midcarder for life, have to deal with it.

18 is only getting good treatment because of 17, after this arc, back to housewife role.

Roshi got good treatment because Toriyama somehow likes him, and thats the issue, if it was another Mangaka then this ToP Arc couldve been beyond Prime OP level.

17 going out vs U3 will make him the biggest bust of U7, considering the hype he got.

[kinisking]

Hey Piccolo is out maybe Gohan gets to do his thin-
[spoiler][/spoiler]

There are other spoilers that says Gohan helps them temporarily beat the u3 guys.

[Jigurashi]

I feel like I'm the only person in this fandom that is totally fine with a predictable Goku vs Jiren finale with Goku winning. I've never been so alone with an opinion before lmao. Is there ANYONE else out there that isn't disappointed by the way it looks like things are going? Seeing Goku defeat a big bad will actually be refreshing. It hasn't happened since DBZ, and I've quite frankly gotten sick of the main character getting owned in the climax every fucking time.



I've seen this opinion a lot, and I honestly can't relate to it. The LAST thing I want to see is freaking Jiren, the single most boring character this franchise has ever produced, win this thing. That would just be a slap in the face to me. I think it's a bad idea narratively to make your audience sit through an entire ordeal of an arc only to have the bland antagonist that quite literally no one likes come out on top. I don't even really like the idea of an antagonist in general just straight up winning, let alone a bland lump of nothing like Jiren.

Also, this is kinda more what I think is going to actually happen, not what I WANT to happen. My ideal dream ending would be a Goku and Gohan tag team where they take out all three Pride Troopers together. But I don't see that happening honestly.

I don't have a single problem with Goku winning this one. I just want Jiren to win more. Also I'll need a source on nobody liking Jiren.

I can see that. Jiren really has not lived up to the hype whatsoever. He's done little to no work in this entire tournament, FAR less than most of the people on U7 and U6. Not a good way to portray your antagonist. Freeza sat around and did nothing for a large chunk of the Namek arc, but EVENTUALLY he stepped up and starting killing fools.

I think he lived up to his hype already when he trashed Hit, SSBKKx20 Goku, blinked away the Genki Dama, and traded hands with UI. I don't think he needed to eliminate a lot more people at all to live up to his hype. I agree about him being a shallow character for sure. I still like the basic structure of the character. A character so stoic and even so seemingly detached that he comes off as alien I like. I like the basic structure of it but that's really the issue, at the moment it's just very basic. Those traits make Jiren something of an anomaly in DB as his personality greatly contrasts with DB's more vibrant and colorful personalities we usually see in the series. Makes him sort of unique for DB. Like I said though, it's all there just basic. It's why I want to know more about him in the upcoming episodes.

[Jigurashi]

You're not alone. I wouldn't mind Goku winning since that actually would be unpredictable. The 'Goku always wins' hasn't been true in Super since it started, unless we count Freeza who is kinda iffy, and I'm not sure why Goku losing is still treated as a novelty. Heck, it wasn't even true in Z.

Exactly. Good to see someone else out there actually pays attention lmao. I for the life of me cannot understand where the "Goku always wins" thing comes from. It's not even REMOTELY true. And it hasn't been pretty much ever since the BEGINNING of DBZ.

I think it comes from GT and the movies. Like people saying that Goku always used the Spirit Bomb to win when the Spirit Bomb has a shitty record in the manga and anime.

But I wouldn't call Jiren the most boring character in Dragon Ball. That honor goes to Cell, Super 17, and Omega Shenron.

I agree there. It really hurts me that Cell became so damn boring imo. After he transformed I lost so much interest in him.

[Lord Beerus]

I've been binging on the Dragon Ball anime and manga in the last few days, as part of my personal assessment of the first Dragon Ball anime, so I haven't been on this forum much this week. But I decided to quickly pop in to see what the latest "news" is. And I see dozens upon dozens of posts from people passionately responding to the potential prospect of Piccolo "accidentally" falling of the arena and being eliminated. I, for one, am far more intrigued about what Universe 3 are going to get up to. Regardless, episode preview summaries have been full of shit in the past, so I'm not going to put much investment into this "spoilers". I'll wait and watch episodes and judge them for their content then.