"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Xeztin]

Great! I'm glad we can finally stop beating people over the head with the "canon" stick now!

I think a better way I could have said it is that it's not just Toriyama and his editor anymore. It's Toriyama, Toei, Toyotaro, and probably people we don't even know about. Of course they are going to shop around that Toriyama "wrote" the story as a vague statement to make people think he did the entire thing by himself to draw in more money from hardcore fans. Making a statement like that isn't necessarily lying, but of course it's not telling the entire truth either.

[TheMikado]

Great! I'm glad we can finally stop beating people over the head with the "canon" stick now!

I think a better way I could have said it is that it's not just Toriyama and his editor anymore. It's Toriyama, Toei, Toyotaro, and probably people we don't even know about. Of course they are going to shop around that Toriyama "wrote" the story as a vague statement to make people think he did the entire thing by himself to draw in more money from hardcore fans. Making a statement like that isn't necessarily lying, but of course it's not telling the entire truth either.

Yeah but then we get into the layers of involvement "canon" which can be just as bad if not worse

[Xeztin]

Great! I'm glad we can finally stop beating people over the head with the "canon" stick now!

I think a better way I could have said it is that it's not just Toriyama and his editor anymore. It's Toriyama, Toei, Toyotaro, and probably people we don't even know about. Of course they are going to shop around that Toriyama "wrote" the story as a vague statement to make people think he did the entire thing by himself to draw in more money from hardcore fans. Making a statement like that isn't necessarily lying, but of course it's not telling the entire truth either.

Yeah but then we get into the layers of involvement "canon" which can be just as bad if not worse

Yeah your probably right, It's Toei's fault for being vague, but in a way they wanted this to happen. They want all their material to look as if Toriyama done it all. I wouldn't be surprised if you started seeing figures that's supposedly designed by him.

[kinisking]

On one hand, Toriyama doesn't like the Dragon Ball Super anime, and it isn't even designed to be the continuation of his original series in the first place, it is designed to be the continuation of Dragon Ball Z/Kai.

On the other hand, Toriyama likes the Dragon Ball Super manga, is more involved with it & cares enough for this "irrelevant promotional tool" to personally redraw pages, and the manga is designed to be the continuation of his original series.

I won't say what's more canon that the other, but some things are obvious. People don't choose what's canon based on facts, they choose what's canon based on their tastes.

He redrew one panel. Also he looks over the scripts for the anime too. Nothing really implies he has much more control over the manga.

[LightBing]

On one hand, Toriyama doesn't like the Dragon Ball Super anime, and it isn't even designed to be the continuation of his original series in the first place, it is designed to be the continuation of Dragon Ball Z/Kai.

On the other hand, Toriyama likes the Dragon Ball Super manga, is more involved with it & cares enough for this "irrelevant promotional tool" to personally redraw pages, and the manga is designed to be the continuation of his original series.

I won't say what's more canon that the other, but some things are obvious. People don't choose what's canon based on facts, they choose what's canon based on their tastes.

He redrew one panel. Also he looks over the scripts for the anime too. Nothing really implies he has much more control over the manga.

Exactly. All this "canon" conversation is adding more wood to an unnecessary fire. People should just pick their poison, be it the anime or the manga, bloody enjoy it or hate it and don't be an asshole to others who choose the other option. Let's be done with this already.

[TheMikado]

Yeah your probably right, It's Toei's fault for being vague, but in a way they wanted this to happen. They want all their material to look as if Toriyama done it all. I wouldn't be surprised if you started seeing figures that's supposedly designed by him.

Exactly that SSBxKKx10 is probably going to be a limited Toroyama exclusive. Basically Super feels like GT interms of production but Toei was smart enough to make it seem like everything was coming from Toriyama so they could trick the fandom and it's working to a certain degree.

[Araki]

On one hand, Toriyama doesn't like the Dragon Ball Super anime, and it isn't even designed to be the continuation of his original series in the first place, it is designed to be the continuation of Dragon Ball Z/Kai.

On the other hand, Toriyama likes the Dragon Ball Super manga, is more involved with it & cares enough for this "irrelevant promotional tool" to personally redraw pages, and the manga is designed to be the continuation of his original series.

Those are certainly a lot of personal assumptions and preferences you're throwing around as facts.
I'd like you to present proofs for all those points, please?

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta not using Blue on Magetta makes sense in the manga now lol

[Araki]

Vegeta not using Blue on Magetta makes sense in the manga now lol

How? He could just transform and stay like that.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta not using Blue on Magetta makes sense in the manga now lol

How? He could just transform and stay like that.

Seems like they're required to power down upon the completion of a match. Frosts final form is technically his real "base state" so he probably doesn't count.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta not using Blue on Magetta makes sense in the manga now lol

By not using it as it'd be a waste.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta not using Blue on Magetta makes sense in the manga now lol

By not using it as it'd be a waste.

Actually, I'd say Magetta probably earned it more than anyone else except Hit lol. In the manga, Vegeta made an ass of himself and only won thanks to a weakness he didn't even know about. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't bust it out sooner.

[Nejishiki]

Forgive me for skipping over so many posts, as the replies in general seemed to bleed into each other with similar statements. That said, would people have less of an issue if Vegeta transformed into Super Saiyan Blue, remained transformed, and lost due to a combination of not understanding Time Skip and having his vitals weakened instead? This way, Vegeta isn't significantly under-powered and his loss is due to lack of information instead of his own folly. I'm not quite ready to tackle Goku's fight.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta not using Blue on Magetta makes sense in the manga now lol

By not using it as it'd be a waste.

Actually, I'd say Magetta probably earned it more than anyone else except Hit lol. In the manga, Vegeta made an ass of himself and only won thanks to a weakness he didn't even know about. Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't bust it out sooner.

I mean by not using the form, they conserve their energy. Hence why not to use it. Heck even his win I find more believable in the anime. So what if the ring in the center was destroyed, how is that a ring out? I think being ringed out from the side in the anime made more sense. Does that mean Goku ringed out in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai when the ring was destroyed?

[ekrolo2]

I mean by not using the form, they conserve their energy. Hence why not to use it. Heck even his win I find more believable in the anime. So what if the ring in the center was destroyed, how is that a ring out? I think being ringed out from the side in the anime made more sense. Does that mean Goku ringed out in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai when the ring was destroyed?

I wouldn't use the 23rd Budokai as evidence of ring consistency

It didn't bother me for the manga because the manga clearly plays this whole thing up as a joke fight complete and it giving Blue a big drawback explains why Vegeta doesn't one shot Magetta the instant things get tough. The anime tried to play it up as a tense battle but given how super duper uber perfect Blooper is in the anime, it undermines the whole thing.

[dbzfan7]

I mean by not using the form, they conserve their energy. Hence why not to use it. Heck even his win I find more believable in the anime. So what if the ring in the center was destroyed, how is that a ring out? I think being ringed out from the side in the anime made more sense. Does that mean Goku ringed out in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai when the ring was destroyed?

I wouldn't use the 23rd Budokai as evidence of ring consistency

It didn't bother me for the manga because the manga clearly plays this whole thing up as a joke fight complete and it giving Blue a big drawback explains why Vegeta doesn't one shot Magetta the instant things get tough. The anime tried to play it up as a tense battle but given how super duper uber perfect Blooper is in the anime, it undermines the whole thing.

The 22nd one made no sense to me either. So what if the ring is destroyed, just stand in the damn hole and you're fine. Piccolo was ringed out because they saw the remains of the ring. We can say different rulings, but even still I find it dumb.

It really does. It's so good that there's no reason to not use it when things get tough. Don't really buy the point of not showing it to Hit, as it really wouldn't have made a difference. But in the manga, it makes sense why not to bust it out. Still with problems, but makes sense.

[ekrolo2]

The 22nd one made no sense to me either. So what if the ring is destroyed, just stand in the damn hole and you're fine. Piccolo was ringed out because they saw the remains of the ring. We can say different rulings, but even still I find it dumb.

It really does. It's so good that there's no reason to not use it when things get tough. Don't really buy the point of not showing it to Hit, as it really wouldn't have made a difference. But in the manga, it makes sense why not to bust it out. Still with problems, but makes sense.

Yeah, couldn't Goku have just stuck his foot on the side of the pit like Roshi does to avoid a ring out before?

As for the Piccolo one, I usually just sum that up as the judge seeing some rocks, seeing Goku cares about this shit still and just lets the guy have an "official" victory to make him feel even better.

[Noah]

^ so is it safe to say the manga is more likely canon than the anime?

No, neither of those are canon, guys just enjoy the ride, Super is just like GT. a side story and nothing else.

[dbzfan7]

The 22nd one made no sense to me either. So what if the ring is destroyed, just stand in the damn hole and you're fine. Piccolo was ringed out because they saw the remains of the ring. We can say different rulings, but even still I find it dumb.

It really does. It's so good that there's no reason to not use it when things get tough. Don't really buy the point of not showing it to Hit, as it really wouldn't have made a difference. But in the manga, it makes sense why not to bust it out. Still with problems, but makes sense.

Yeah, couldn't Goku have just stuck his foot on the side of the pit like Roshi does to avoid a ring out before?

As for the Piccolo one, I usually just sum that up as the judge seeing some rocks, seeing Goku cares about this shit still and just lets the guy have an "official" victory to make him feel even better.

Somehow I believe the tournament announcer would totally do that just to reward Goku somehow.

[Chelentano]

^ so is it safe to say the manga is more likely canon than the anime?

No, neither of those are canon, guys just enjoy the ride, Super is just like GT. a side story and nothing else.

Ok. I like how people think that they actually can choose what is canon and what not.