"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[BlueVegerot]

Having vegeta finish off freeza in RoF would not have cost dragonball any fans or money.

Let's get a good fight with Jerin before asking for something as big as finishing off a main villain.

I am not saying vegeta should beat jiren nor am i hoping for it. I'm saying in general, changing the end of a movie or an arc to be less goku centric hasn't killed the franchise nor will it.

[perucho1990]

There's no way that'll happen with the relationship Goku has with the Saiyan girls. If we get a Sadal arc it'll be about those 3, not Vegeta and Cabba who barely talked to each other in the current arc which shows how much the staff are interested in them.

Toshio likes Cabba and seeing him "force" Freeza to use Golden mode was fanservice done the right way, you could tell it was Toshios idea in order to make Cabba look strong.

Vegeta would want to train Cabba once he sees Goku training with the Saiyan Girls, he wouldnt want his counterpart to also lose to "Gokus counterpart".

[BlueVegerot]

I think the goku relationship was saiyan girls is overblown a little bit, he doesn't have any personal connection to them, they are just talented fighters which intrigues him no different than say toppo intrigues him. Vegeta on the other hand as much as he tries to show otherwise has a soft spot for cabba and was shown to be pissed off after u6 got erased while we saw nothing of the sort from goku. Not saying the possible "sadala arc" wouldn't focus on him but its not cause of his relationship with them but moreso cause he's the main guy

[sintzu]

I'm saying in general, changing the end of a movie or an arc to be less goku centric hasn't killed the franchise nor will it.

I'm all for that. No one's been more vocal about Vegeta getting a major kill than I have. My previous comment was based on them not even letting him fight much in the previous arc and so far he's done little to nothing in the current one so my expectations have went from "let him get the kill" to "let him just have good screen time".

I really hope 122 & 123 aren't being misleading cause I don't feel like waiting for the manga to see Vegeta in action again.

[HeroR]

Toshio likes Cabba and seeing him "force" Freeza to use Golden mode was fanservice done the right way, you could tell it was Toshios idea in order to make Cabba look strong.

Vegeta would want to train Cabba once he sees Goku training with the Saiyan Girls, he wouldnt want his counterpart to also lose to "Gokus counterpart".

Freeza going golden wasn't fanservice since Super Saiyan 2 Cabba would be above base form Freeza and it wouldn't be Toshio who decides such things. That would be the director the series. Writers don't have that kind of power.

[BlueVegerot]

I'm saying in general, changing the end of a movie or an arc to be less goku centric hasn't killed the franchise nor will it.

I'm all for that. No one's been more vocal about Vegeta getting a major kill than I have. My previous comment was based on them not even letting him fight much in the previous arc and so far he's done little to nothing in the current one so my expectations have went from "let him get the kill" to "let him just have good screen time".

I really hope 122 & 123 aren't being misleading cause I don't feel like waiting for the manga to see Vegeta in action again.

I hope he has a great fight with jiren. there is no way they would let vegeta get the W but i hope he looks good and shows off impressive power, maybe a new form thats not UI.

[sintzu]

I hope he looks good and shows off impressive power, maybe a new form thats not UI.

He could get the attack side of UI as Goku has the defense side. Regardless, they have their 2 best men on that episode so fingers crossed it's not because Jerin wrecks him and they want to make it look as good and brutal as possible.

I think the goku relationship with saiyan girls is overblown a little bit, he doesn't have any personal connection to them, they are just talented fighters which intrigues him no different than say toppo intrigues him.

This is true but Toei put a lot of time into the 3 of them so I can't see an arc in Sadal that doesn't heavily focus on them. We ca and most likely will get Vegeta and Cabba but It either won't be as important as those 3 or it'll be left to the manga.

[Dbzfan94]

I think the goku relationship was saiyan girls is overblown a little bit, he doesn't have any personal connection to them, they are just talented fighters which intrigues him no different than say toppo intrigues him. Vegeta on the other hand as much as he tries to show otherwise has a soft spot for cabba and was shown to be pissed off after u6 got erased while we saw nothing of the sort from goku. Not saying the possible "sadala arc" wouldn't focus on him but its not cause of his relationship with them but moreso cause he's the main guy

That's my thoughts too. Not to say they'll never appear again but I've seen some people hope that U6 girls will become main supporting cast as a pseudo-father/daughter like relationship. I just feel like thats a big overexaggeration, and thats ignoring all the people who want Goku to dump Chichi and hook up with Caulifla

[sintzu]

That's ignoring all the people who want Goku to dump Chichi and hook up with Caulifla

She makes Chichi look like a saint.

[BlueVegerot]

123 is either about vegeta or gohan. If this arc is to/through march, then i dont think the mastered UI thing is coming until early - mid february and jiren isn't going to use his full power before his rematch. I would lean vegeta because a writer said he wrote a cool episode about him and january would be around the time it would air

[Totamo]

This.

They kinda won't, at least a vast majority of them, if people really cared about this then Toei would have thrown more bones by now and by the way this is not a new complaint.

When tori was writing the red ribbon arc, people said he doesn't use his characters very well, that was the third arc of the manga and he kept doing it afterwards and toei has followed that pattern throughout everything they have ever touch. Look at the movies


Toriyama uses Goku mostly because he is easy to write around, toei uses him because he makes more money than any other character.

Gohan fighting cell was a huge turn of events and dragonball didn't fall apart. also its not like they had built him up in the android arc nor was it public that he was going to be the main guy. Again i didn't say goku shouldn't be the main guy but having vegeta finish off freeza in RoF would not have cost dragonball any fans or money, having trunks slice up zamasu didn't harm the franchise as seen by its growing popularity and revenue.

Goku was apart of that. Goku was the only reason Gohan fought in that fight, it was Goku's encouragement that Gohan blasted Cell.


There has not been a single arc where Goku was not somehow the main focus. Saiyan saga: stall until Goku gets there. Freeza saga: Stall until Goku gets there. Cell saga: Stall until Goku gets there. Buu saga: Stall until Goku gets there.

[BlueVegerot]

They kinda won't, at least a vast majority of them, if people really cared about this then Toei would have thrown more bones by now and by the way this is not a new complaint.

When tori was writing the red ribbon arc, people said he doesn't use his characters very well, that was the third arc of the manga and he kept doing it afterwards and toei has followed that pattern throughout everything they have ever touch. Look at the movies


Toriyama uses Goku mostly because he is easy to write around, toei uses him because he makes more money than any other character.

Gohan fighting cell was a huge turn of events and dragonball didn't fall apart. also its not like they had built him up in the android arc nor was it public that he was going to be the main guy. Again i didn't say goku shouldn't be the main guy but having vegeta finish off freeza in RoF would not have cost dragonball any fans or money, having trunks slice up zamasu didn't harm the franchise as seen by its growing popularity and revenue.

Goku was apart of that. Goku was the only reason Gohan fought in that fight, it was Goku's encouragement that Gohan blasted Cell.


There has not been a single arc where Goku was not somehow the main focus. Saiyan saga: stall until Goku gets there. Freeza saga: Stall until Goku gets there. Cell saga: Stall until Goku gets there. Buu saga: Stall until Goku gets there.

Do you not read what i write? i literally said having goku not get the final kill won't kill the franchise. never did i say goku shouldn't be a part of the arc or not have screentime. For some reason you are interpreting what i said as goku should not be a part of the arc at all.

[Krillin1994]

Hero R , nobody gives a shit if you don't like vegeta. just cause you wouldn't watch an arc about him doesn't mean people in japan wouldn't either or in the west. "OMG someone other than goku getting shine, not in my dragonball"

No offense, but thats the same kind of mentality Star Wars fans have(if you checked Star Wars Last Jedi spoilers you will understand)
[spoiler]Luke dying and the massive complain this is getting on the Internet because Disney wants to focus on the new generation[/spoiler]

If nexts year is centered on U6 adventures, I feel Vegeta would be good enough to carry the arc on his back.

Why would you put a star wars spoiler like this in a DB thread, I compulsively open the spoiler tags on this thread because I assume they're going to be Dragonball. You've spoiled a film that's not out for me now. Well done.

[perucho1990]

For a reason I put it in spoilers tags, and it has been spoiled everywhere on the internet.

Toriyama and Toyotaro are both SW fans, and wont be shocking if they also take the same route in order to keep the franchise alive by focusing on the new generation and sell more merchandise.

[Helios518]

Hero R , nobody gives a shit if you don't like vegeta. just cause you wouldn't watch an arc about him doesn't mean people in japan wouldn't either or in the west. "OMG someone other than goku getting shine, not in my dragonball"

No offense, but thats the same kind of mentality Star Wars fans have(if you checked Star Wars Last Jedi spoilers you will understand)
[spoiler]Luke dying and the massive complain this is getting on the Internet because Disney wants to focus on the new generation[/spoiler]

If nexts year is centered on U6 adventures, I feel Vegeta would be good enough to carry the arc on his back.

Why would you put a star wars spoiler like this in a DB thread, I compulsively open the spoiler tags on this thread because I assume they're going to be Dragonball. You've spoiled a film that's not out for me now. Well done.

If you didn't understand that was going to be a Star Wars spoiler by reading their comment and you still opened the tag meant to cover spoilers then it's honestly your fault you got spoiled.

[Krillin1994]

It's a dragonball forum, I have no issue being spoiled by dragonball spoilers.


I sometimes check the second to last page and start bottom and scroll up.

I'd seen a few new pages and saw chat about U6 sadal and a Vegeta arc. I was assuming anything in spoiler tags would be Jump Fiesta related.


If I'd gone on a star wars forum and opened a spoiler fair enough, but there's literally no reason to post that spoiler here.

[Michsi]

No offense, but thats the same kind of mentality Star Wars fans have(if you checked Star Wars Last Jedi spoilers you will understand)


If nexts year is centered on U6 adventures, I feel Vegeta would be good enough to carry the arc on his back.

Why would you put a star wars spoiler like this in a DB thread, I compulsively open the spoiler tags on this thread because I assume they're going to be Dragonball. You've spoiled a film that's not out for me now. Well done.

If you didn't understand that was going to be a Star Wars spoiler by reading their comment and you still opened the tag meant to cover spoilers then it's honestly your fault you got spoiled.

To be fair, I did that too. Opened the the spoiler tag out of habit simply because DB spoilers don't bother me. And yes, I had read the post before I did that.
And I haven't seen this spoiler posted anywhere else - some people avoid social media during this time precisely to not see spoiler and only go to certain sites that are dedicated to something else.

It doesn't bother me that much, but I think some might be seriously upset if they make the same mistake as me.

Edit: Not to mention that if you want to reply with a quote you will see the spoiler right there in the text.

[Kanassa]

Why would you put a star wars spoiler like this in a DB thread, I compulsively open the spoiler tags on this thread because I assume they're going to be Dragonball. You've spoiled a film that's not out for me now. Well done.

If you didn't understand that was going to be a Star Wars spoiler by reading their comment and you still opened the tag meant to cover spoilers then it's honestly your fault you got spoiled.

To be fair, I did that too. Opened the the spoiler tag out of habit simply because DB spoilers don't bother me. And yes, I had read the post before I did that.
And I haven't seen this spoiler posted anywhere else - some people avoid social media during this time precisely to not see spoiler and only go to certain sites that are dedicated to something else.

It doesn't bother me that much, but I think some might be seriously upset if they make the same mistake as me.

Then they only have themselves to blame.

[Michsi]

Then they only have themselves to blame.

Still don't think it's fair. As I said, some people do it compulsively expecting something DB related. And what's being spoiled here is a pretty big deal.

Reason I'm bringing this up is because I know how much SW means to some and how much this could ruin someone's experience of something they've been seriously looking forward to.

[Kanassa]

Then they only have themselves to blame.

Still don't think it's fair.

You stab yourself in the hand, it's going to hurt. Poke the Bear and it will fuck you up. Read a spoiler post when the text right above it says it's spoilers for a thing you don't want to be spoiled, expect to be spoiled. It is completely fair.