"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Hawk9211]

Everyone is talking about whether gohan and vegeta Should get a big win and I am waiting for them to explore some race other than saiyans.

Personally,I have become tired with the concept of saiyans and would like a little tiny focus on some other race even if it’s not namekian or may be from some other universe.

Going back to topic this universe level information seems interesting.

[omaro34]

Using Kid/Teen Goku isn't an argument. DBS has also been shown to grossly exaggrate Goku's stupid side, so idk what your point is. Between the kiss joke, which 1) he got married, he had to. 2) they kissed in Z 3) had two children. Also, the kiss scene was supposed to a vague misunderstanding played off as a joke which has spread huge misinformation. All he cares about his fighting is also a big exaggeration.

When did I imply he'd become a ladies man or any of that? I didn't. I'm just saying he's not as dumb as the fandom paints him to be, no thanks to TFS. When Trunks talked about his parents, Goku wasn't some brain dead idiot who went "how did Vegeta and Bulma have a kid????" no. he's an adult and understood how things work. And in the Buu Saga when Krillin said he and 18 had a children, his reaction again "how do androids have babies" meaning he knows EXACTLY what goes on.

Just because Super manga made him say "oh so that's how it works" when Bulla popped out of nowhere thanks to Whis, that doesn't change that it's OOC.

But I shouldn't be surprised. Considering you're one of those people who believe "Piccolo is Gohan's real dad" so I can clearly see the bias in your reply.

Goku never kissed Chi-Chi in Z. The closest we ever got was an implied kiss and that was filler. You can also have kids without kissing. And the kiss joke being a misunderstanding is only in the anime. In the manga, Goku outright says he never kiss his wife.

HeroR beat me to it about about the kiss joke scene.

When you say all Goku cares about fighting is an exaggeration, I completely disagree. Goku is a simpleton. He's a farmer, loves food, and gets super excited about the prospect of fighting stronger guys. One that sticks in my head is when he dragged poor Monaka and wanted to spar. He's addicted, but I'm not going to blame him for that, that's in his Saiyan blood. He does like to fish, and he does care for his family, but he's not winning any father of the year awards anytime soon. From what we know he's not an ideal husband either; he's never known to share affection with his wife who always remains loyal to him when he's gone training for extended periods of time. I'll give you some more examples.

When Goku asked Vegeta to train with him at Beerus' planet prior to the Tournament of Power, Vegeta refused because he was concerned about Bulma being pregnant and he didn't want to face her wrath if he wasn't there when Bulla was born. Goku then basically tells him that he's not the one pregnant and nonchalantly shrugs it off then brags that he was dead when Goten was born, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Any dad with common sense would clearly understand Vegeta's excuse not to train, but of course not the oblivious Goku.

He also hired Hit the Assassin on himself purely for selfish reasons. Classic Goku. Your family is worried sick, they see you lifeless on the ground virtually dead, but its all about getting stronger right? Who cares how they feel right? Gimme a break.

Since you're going to say that Super overexaggerates Goku's character even though it's created by the same individuals, let's go to Z.

In the Cell saga, when Goku elects not to be wished back, his reasoning was that he is like a magnet to bad guys and that the Earth would likely be better off without him. I'm not buying it. His motives were completely selfish in my opinion and knowing Goku's character. He abandoned his wife and his teenage son plus the baby that his wife was carrying all for the prospect of training in the Other World and getting stronger, which he did. He missed a good portion of Goten's first years and Gohan's teenage years all for a new adventure, which is what Goku likes. Goku loves a new challenge, and he felt he wouldn't be getting that on Earth if he stayed.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Goku. He's the main character and he's a legendary genius fighter, but that's his main thing. Since he was a kid he fought villains who grew and stronger and stronger each time, and Goku teaches us to never give in and always try to overcome your obstacles, but TFS in my opinion has little to do with how people view Goku's overall intelligence outside of fighting. The franchise gives us plenty of examples where his flaws are shown on screen.

Goku does care about his friends and family though, I will give his character that. Recently when Roshi was knocked out in the Tournament of Power he did clearly care for his old master. But it's rare to get moments like that.

This conversation all stemmed from Caulifla and Goku hooking up, and all I'm saying is that Goku isn't an ideal husband for anyone. Sure by now he knows where babies come from but that's not the end all be all.

[HeroR]

HeroR beat me to it about about the kiss joke scene.

When you say all Goku cares about fighting is an exaggeration, I completely disagree. Goku is a simpleton. He's a farmer, loves food, and gets super excited about the prospect of fighting stronger guys. One that sticks in my head is when he dragged poor Monaka and wanted to spar. He's addicted, but I'm not going to blame him for that, that's in his Saiyan blood. He does like to fish, and he does care for his family, but he's not winning any father of the year awards anytime soon. From what we know he's not an ideal husband either; he's never known to share affection with his wife who always remains loyal to him when he's gone training for extended periods of time. I'll give you some more examples.

When Goku asked Vegeta to train with him at Beerus' planet prior to the Tournament of Power, Vegeta refused because he was concerned about Bulma being pregnant and he didn't want to face her wrath if he wasn't there when Bulla was born. Goku then basically tells him that he's not the one pregnant and nonchalantly shrugs it off then brags that he was dead when Goten was born, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Any dad with common sense would clearly understand Vegeta's excuse not to train, but of course not the oblivious Goku.

He also hired Hit the Assassin on himself purely for selfish reasons. Classic Goku. Your family is worried sick, they see you lifeless on the ground virtually dead, but its all about getting stronger right? Who cares how they feel right? Gimme a break.

Since you're going to say that Super overexaggerates Goku's character even though it's created by the same individuals, let's go to Z.

In the Cell saga, when Goku elects not to be wished back, his reasoning was that he is like a magnet to bad guys and that the Earth would likely be better off without him. I'm not buying it. His motives were completely selfish in my opinion and knowing Goku's character. He abandoned his wife and his teenage son plus the baby that his wife was carrying all for the prospect of training in the Other World and getting stronger, which he did. He missed a good portion of Goten's first years and Gohan's teenage years all for a new adventure, which is what Goku likes. Goku loves a new challenge, and he felt he wouldn't be getting that on Earth if he stayed.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Goku. He's the main character and he's a legendary genius fighter, but that's his main thing. Since he was a kid he fought villains who grew and stronger and stronger each time, and Goku teaches us to never give in and always try to overcome your obstacles, but TFS in my opinion has little to do with how people view Goku's overall intelligence outside of fighting. The franchise gives us plenty of examples where his flaws are shown on screen.

Goku does care about his friends and family though, I will give his character that. Recently when Roshi was knocked out in the Tournament of Power he did clearly care for his old master. But it's rare to get moments like that.

This conversation all stemmed from Caulifla and Goku hooking up, and all I'm saying is that Goku isn't an ideal husband for anyone. Sure by now he knows where babies come from but that's not the end all be all.

I wouldn't go as far as to say Goku bragged about being dead when Goten was born. It comes off as matter of fact in the anime, while the manga it was more of a brag. And to be fair, the only couples that show open affection for one another is Gohan and Videl and Krillin and 18.

And as an interesting fact, while most in the US sees Goku as a lousy father, he's actually seen as good to decent dad in most of Asia and even Europe. In Japan, he is seen as spoiling Gohan, which is why part of the subplot with Gohan is about him getting over his spoiled nature.

Goku also tried not to tell his family about Hit. He only told Gohan and Goten since they asked about it and he made them promised not to tell Chi-Chi. So he didn't want to worry them.

Another nitpick, Super isn't made by the same writers or staff (outside of some animators) as Z or even GT.

You can say his motive was selfish, but that is kind of your interpretation of Goku's wishes. Goku didn't really know he would get special training, especially since he didn't mind staying put for five years before Raditz came. He didn't see him not coming back to life as abandoning his family, but keeping them safe from people who wants to kill him. I also don't think he knew Chi-Chi was carrying Goten since he was shocked when he saw Goten for the first time.

While I agree with your overall assessment, you're kinda exaggerating Goku's negative qualities and Super does it too, mostly for the sake of comedy. It just isn't as widespread or all the time as some fans keep pushing.

[Michsi]

And as an interesting fact, while most in the US sees Goku as a lousy father, he's actually seen as good to decent dad in most of Asia and even Europe. In Japan, he is seen as spoiling Gohan, which is why part of the subplot with Gohan is about him getting over his spoiled nature.
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Not so sure about this though, considering that this part of his character has been brought up even in interviews a couple of times. It would mean the viewership/fandom even in Japan picked up on his lack of serious devotion to family life. The manga having Vegeta flat out state how not good of a father he is also kind of marks a certain viewpoint, it's just not treated with the same type gravity by the fans, at least not enough to see it as a serious character flaw. So while there is definitely some flanderization happening in the western fandom (and I include Europe because I haven't seen him be considered a particularly decent father in this part of the fandom either and they're more likely to interact with the U.S. fans ) it's not exclusive .

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Just thought of something what if they just have vegeta getting stronger than kaioken times 20 instead of getting UI.

[Hawk9211]

A hero card shows a card with a New anime character appearing soon.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9409 ... 96032?s=17

[sintzu]

A hero card shows a card with a New anime character appearing soon.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9409 ... 96032?s=17

UI vegeta or someone from the new arc.

[Alruneia]

A hero card shows a card with a New anime character appearing soon.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9409 ... 96032?s=17

UI vegeta or someone from the new arc.

The upcoming fused robot from Universe 3 is a possibility as well.

[sintzu]

A hero card shows a card with a New anime character appearing soon.
https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9409 ... 96032?s=17

UI vegeta or someone from the new arc.

The upcoming fused robot from Universe 3 is a possibility as well.

Why would they hide someone we've already seen ?

[Alruneia]

UI vegeta or someone from the new arc.

The upcoming fused robot from Universe 3 is a possibility as well.

Why would they hide someone we've already seen ?

Well, it's supposed to be a four-way fusion, right? Next episode is gonna have a three-way fusion, we know that, but maybe its design changes when it goes full capacity. I'm just saying it's possible.

[BlueBasilisk]

The upcoming fused robot from Universe 3 is a possibility as well.

That'd be my guess. The four-way fusion ver. Meh.

I'm more interested in the character below that. Some kind of Chronoa fusion?

[Supersaiyanbulla]

I looked at it closely it looks like vegeta shoes.

[pacz360]

I looked at it closely it looks like vegeta shoes.

It doesn't even look like anything related to vegeta

[HeroR]

And as an interesting fact, while most in the US sees Goku as a lousy father, he's actually seen as good to decent dad in most of Asia and even Europe. In Japan, he is seen as spoiling Gohan, which is why part of the subplot with Gohan is about him getting over his spoiled nature.
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Not so sure about this though, considering that this part of his character has been brought up even in interviews a couple of times. It would mean the viewership/fandom even in Japan picked up on his lack of serious devotion to family life. The manga having Vegeta flat out state how not good of a father he is also kind of marks a certain viewpoint, it's just not treated with the same type gravity by the fans, at least not enough to see it as a serious character flaw. So while there is definitely some flanderization happening in the western fandom (and I include Europe because I haven't seen him be considered a particularly decent father in this part of the fandom either and they're more likely to interact with the U.S. fans ) it's not exclusive .

Never said it was exclusive to the US. Only that Goku being a horrible father isn't as wide spread in other parts of the world as it is in the US to the point of it being a meme. I mean, Goku actually won a poll for being one of the best fathers in anime in Japan.

[Michsi]

And as an interesting fact, while most in the US sees Goku as a lousy father, he's actually seen as good to decent dad in most of Asia and even Europe. In Japan, he is seen as spoiling Gohan, which is why part of the subplot with Gohan is about him getting over his spoiled nature.
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Not so sure about this though, considering that this part of his character has been brought up even in interviews a couple of times. It would mean the viewership/fandom even in Japan picked up on his lack of serious devotion to family life. The manga having Vegeta flat out state how not good of a father he is also kind of marks a certain viewpoint, it's just not treated with the same type gravity by the fans, at least not enough to see it as a serious character flaw. So while there is definitely some flanderization happening in the western fandom (and I include Europe because I haven't seen him be considered a particularly decent father in this part of the fandom either and they're more likely to interact with the U.S. fans ) it's not exclusive .

Never said it was exclusive to the US. Only that Goku being a horrible father isn't as wide spread in other parts of the world as it is in the US to the point of it being a meme. I mean, Goku actually won a poll for being one of the best fathers in anime in Japan.

That's news. Can't remember this poll. Is it old? Can't help but feel it was about popular character that happened to be fathers, rather than based on their competence as fathers.

[HeroR]

That's news. Can't remember this poll. Is it old? Can't help but feel it was about popular character that happened to be fathers, rather than based on their competence as fathers.

It wasn't that long ago. You can probably find the poll on this site by putting 'best dad poll' in the search engine here.

And maybe it is, but it really isn't our place to decide what someone was thinking when they voted.

[MR.Mark]

Just thought of something what if they just have vegeta getting stronger than kaioken times 20 instead of getting UI.

Goku looks so intimidating, less is definitely more, wow.

[Michsi]

That's news. Can't remember this poll. Is it old? Can't help but feel it was about popular character that happened to be fathers, rather than based on their competence as fathers.

It wasn't that long ago. You can probably find the poll on this site by putting 'best dad poll' in the search engine here.

And maybe it is, but it really isn't our place to decide what someone was thinking when they voted.

Now I remember! It was coolest dad, wasn't it? That does make a difference and seems to lean towards the character's general likability rather than his parental performance.

[Dbzfan94]

HeroR beat me to it about about the kiss joke scene.

When you say all Goku cares about fighting is an exaggeration, I completely disagree. Goku is a simpleton. He's a farmer, loves food, and gets super excited about the prospect of fighting stronger guys. One that sticks in my head is when he dragged poor Monaka and wanted to spar. He's addicted, but I'm not going to blame him for that, that's in his Saiyan blood. He does like to fish, and he does care for his family, but he's not winning any father of the year awards anytime soon. From what we know he's not an ideal husband either; he's never known to share affection with his wife who always remains loyal to him when he's gone training for extended periods of time. I'll give you some more examples.

When Goku asked Vegeta to train with him at Beerus' planet prior to the Tournament of Power, Vegeta refused because he was concerned about Bulma being pregnant and he didn't want to face her wrath if he wasn't there when Bulla was born. Goku then basically tells him that he's not the one pregnant and nonchalantly shrugs it off then brags that he was dead when Goten was born, so it shouldn't be a big deal. Any dad with common sense would clearly understand Vegeta's excuse not to train, but of course not the oblivious Goku.

He also hired Hit the Assassin on himself purely for selfish reasons. Classic Goku. Your family is worried sick, they see you lifeless on the ground virtually dead, but its all about getting stronger right? Who cares how they feel right? Gimme a break.

Since you're going to say that Super overexaggerates Goku's character even though it's created by the same individuals, let's go to Z.

In the Cell saga, when Goku elects not to be wished back, his reasoning was that he is like a magnet to bad guys and that the Earth would likely be better off without him. I'm not buying it. His motives were completely selfish in my opinion and knowing Goku's character. He abandoned his wife and his teenage son plus the baby that his wife was carrying all for the prospect of training in the Other World and getting stronger, which he did. He missed a good portion of Goten's first years and Gohan's teenage years all for a new adventure, which is what Goku likes. Goku loves a new challenge, and he felt he wouldn't be getting that on Earth if he stayed.

Don't get me wrong, I do like Goku. He's the main character and he's a legendary genius fighter, but that's his main thing. Since he was a kid he fought villains who grew and stronger and stronger each time, and Goku teaches us to never give in and always try to overcome your obstacles, but TFS in my opinion has little to do with how people view Goku's overall intelligence outside of fighting. The franchise gives us plenty of examples where his flaws are shown on screen.

Goku does care about his friends and family though, I will give his character that. Recently when Roshi was knocked out in the Tournament of Power he did clearly care for his old master. But it's rare to get moments like that.

This conversation all stemmed from Caulifla and Goku hooking up, and all I'm saying is that Goku isn't an ideal husband for anyone. Sure by now he knows where babies come from but that's not the end all be all.

I wouldn't go as far as to say Goku bragged about being dead when Goten was born. It comes off as matter of fact in the anime, while the manga it was more of a brag. And to be fair, the only couples that show open affection for one another is Gohan and Videl and Krillin and 18.

And as an interesting fact, while most in the US sees Goku as a lousy father, he's actually seen as good to decent dad in most of Asia and even Europe. In Japan, he is seen as spoiling Gohan, which is why part of the subplot with Gohan is about him getting over his spoiled nature.

Goku also tried not to tell his family about Hit. He only told Gohan and Goten since they asked about it and he made them promised not to tell Chi-Chi. So he didn't want to worry them.

Another nitpick, Super isn't made by the same writers or staff (outside of some animators) as Z or even GT.

You can say his motive was selfish, but that is kind of your interpretation of Goku's wishes. Goku didn't really know he would get special training, especially since he didn't mind staying put for five years before Raditz came. He didn't see him not coming back to life as abandoning his family, but keeping them safe from people who wants to kill him. I also don't think he knew Chi-Chi was carrying Goten since he was shocked when he saw Goten for the first time.

While I agree with your overall assessment, you're kinda exaggerating Goku's negative qualities and Super does it too, mostly for the sake of comedy. It just isn't as widespread or all the time as some fans keep pushing.

Thank you, HeroR. I’m not saying Goku is a brilliant scientist (lol) or father of the year but the fsbbsse dies really exaggerate his negatives in the West. As you said.

[HeroR]

Now I remember! It was coolest dad, wasn't it? That does make a difference and seems to lean towards the character's general likability rather than his parental performance.

It can be interpret that way, but no dad would is considered a horrible father would be considered 'cool' no matter how likable they are.