"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by CJStriker_CBR » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:08 pm

Lapislettuce wrote:
Supersaiyanbulla wrote:Someone made a rant on 17 on a different site so I'm just gonna post it(want to know people opinion on this).

17 seriously needs to go as he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it.

He is a complete nobody who just lived in a forest and Toriyama didnt even care to make him apart of the recurring cast like 18 in the Buu arc and then 17 somehow gets the treatment he gets now and it is just ridiculous.
Except a lot of people like 17 and just because you don't or the person who made this "rant" doesn't. shouldn't mean that he needs to get out. majority are enjoying him in this arc so i doubt some crybaby ranting about him outlasting his favorite would change that honestly.
"As he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it."

You Know I should say I am just WOWed by that statement too Lapislettuce by that anonymous fan alone, but that seems to be the major excuse and complaint going about by this class of the fandom.

17 is not alone in getting that, many any new characters in the ToP have gotten it to at Ridiculous levels the same complaint, so 17 is in a similar group of getting this so called stealing screen time from others complaint and I have seen this talked around here as well.

But what does not even = too, who is 17 stealing from or any other character stealing screen-time from?! Characters in this need time to flesh themselves out otherwise they are forgotten. I get wanting to see your favorites have more screen-time but going as far is provoking to get this is to belittle and undercut other characters both New and Returning characters to get your character more time is a form of Foiling that is just selfish and wrong.

Characters get the time the writer gives them to flesh them out, if you want more of your character to shine in this, then maybe spend MORE TIME talking about the times they have had already on the screen and why those are important and good moments for them. It is not about how much time one has but the substance they have when they are on.

To the fan complaining, 17 is on the screen is evenly = IMO to how his character arc has been well fleshed out. To take away from him to promote your own is in reality taking more away from your favorite cause you ignore what moments they have by just asking for more for them, but if you are not willing to even highlight the moments they have already, what makes having more time any better if you are not willing to promote the time your favorite already has had.

One of the responsibilities a fan has most is to take whatever time their favorite has had and give reasons why those moments where good for their character and PR it to the Hill-Top the best they can. Even a min of screen-time can be more golden then many think, substances is the most important aspect of a character to remember.
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Post by HeroR » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:15 pm

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sintzu wrote:Hopefully whatever they announce won't be a retelling of one of Super's arcs. I guess I wouldn't mind as we'd get better production value but I'd rather it be something completely new (arc, movie, special, OVA).
Yeah; my thoughts exactly. Enough with the retellings.
Why do people think this is a thing?

Super retelling the movies was Toriyama’s idea and they did it so the audience didn’t have to watch the movies. Unlike here, DVD sells are not huge in Japan.

And retellings of past story arcs are not that popular. Toei tried this with movies 8 and 9 of One Piece and it was their weakest movies critical and money wise.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:17 pm

HeroR wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:
sintzu wrote:Hopefully whatever they announce won't be a retelling of one of Super's arcs. I guess I wouldn't mind as we'd get better production value but I'd rather it be something completely new (arc, movie, special, OVA).
Yeah; my thoughts exactly. Enough with the retellings.
Why do people think this is a thing?

Super retelling the movies was Toriyama’s idea and they did it so the audience didn’t have to watch the movies. Unlike here, DVD sells are not huge in Japan.

And retellings of past story arcs are not that popular. Toei tried this with movies 8 and 9 of One Piece and it was their weakest movies critical and money wise.
I don't care if it was Toriyama's idea. I don't want another retelling for a movie (or a movie turned into a retelling) when we should get new content.

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Post by TheOne » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:25 pm

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TheOne wrote:If you’re trying to compare it with future Trunks, you can’t. The events already took place at a certain time here. There’s no reason to believe that Trunks arrival time would’ve delayed babidi and Daburas arrival.
Uhh, what? You said that everyone would be dead if Trunks didn't change everything. But if Trunks doesn't change everything, his timeline/Cell's original timeline is what happens. This one wouldn't even exist.
So you’re essentially proving my point. 17 would not still be around for this tournament.
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Post by Noah » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:38 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:I don't care if it was Toriyama's idea. I don't want another retelling for a movie (or a movie turned into a retelling) when we should get new content.
Exactly. They could use the retellings to expand/explain stuff not seen in the movies but they did not, so it was a waste of time. Super for me starts in Episode 28.
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Post by sintzu » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:43 pm

I can understand why they remade the movies as their stories were very important for what came in Super's new arcs but the only reason that happened was because the movies were made without an anime in mind but now they have everything planned out so any retellings won't be justified like before.
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Post by Xeogran » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:48 pm

CJStriker_CBR wrote:It is not about how much time one has but the substance they have when they are on.
Thank You! This is now one of my favorite statements on here.

Being a fan of Shantza from U4, I can definitely relate to that. His screentime was no longer than a minute, but I enjoyed his character in there alongside his interactions with Quitela.

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Post by CriticalThinker » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:53 pm

Supersaiyanbulla wrote:Someone made a rant on 17 on a different site so I'm just gonna post it(want to know people opinion on this).

17 seriously needs to go as he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it.

He is a complete nobody who just lived in a forest and Toriyama didnt even care to make him apart of the recurring cast like 18 in the Buu arc and then 17 somehow gets the treatment he gets now and it is just ridiculous.
Though many have already responded to this I thought I'd give my two cents. I'd like to ask how 17 and who is 17 stealing screen time from exactly? Is it Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, because all of them have gotten plenty of screen time already the only one who really hasn't is Freeza and I'm sure he's going to do something later on. Also funny to me since Android 17 and 18 didn't have any screen time after 102/103 and only showed up briefly in 110. Only recently have they gotten more screen time and I'd argue that 18 has gotten more screen time overall than 17. Just of all characters to complain about taking up screen time I feel like 17 is an odd one to single out. If you don't mind me asking what website was it?

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Post by Lapislettuce » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:05 pm

CriticalThinker wrote:
Supersaiyanbulla wrote:Someone made a rant on 17 on a different site so I'm just gonna post it(want to know people opinion on this).

17 seriously needs to go as he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it.

He is a complete nobody who just lived in a forest and Toriyama didnt even care to make him apart of the recurring cast like 18 in the Buu arc and then 17 somehow gets the treatment he gets now and it is just ridiculous.
Though many have already responded to this I thought I'd give my two cents. I'd like to ask how 17 and who is 17 stealing screen time from exactly? Is it Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, because all of them have gotten plenty of screen time already the only one who really hasn't is Freeza and I'm sure he's going to do something later on. Also funny to me since Android 17 and 18 didn't have any screen time after 102/103 and only showed up briefly in 110. Only recently have they gotten more screen time and I'd argue that 18 has gotten more screen time overall than 17. Just of all characters to complain about taking up screen time I feel like 17 is an odd one to single out. If you don't mind me asking what website was it?
I know exactly the person who made that comment on another site. it's that Piccolo fan who keeps crying about 17 ever since he's been announced. cuz lets blame 17 for Piccolo not being relevant for over a decade.

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Post by Lapislettuce » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:08 pm

CJStriker_CBR wrote:
Lapislettuce wrote:
Supersaiyanbulla wrote:Someone made a rant on 17 on a different site so I'm just gonna post it(want to know people opinion on this).

17 seriously needs to go as he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it.

He is a complete nobody who just lived in a forest and Toriyama didnt even care to make him apart of the recurring cast like 18 in the Buu arc and then 17 somehow gets the treatment he gets now and it is just ridiculous.
Except a lot of people like 17 and just because you don't or the person who made this "rant" doesn't. shouldn't mean that he needs to get out. majority are enjoying him in this arc so i doubt some crybaby ranting about him outlasting his favorite would change that honestly.
"As he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it."

You Know I should say I am just WOWed by that statement too Lapislettuce by that anonymous fan alone, but that seems to be the major excuse and complaint going about by this class of the fandom.

17 is not alone in getting that, many any new characters in the ToP have gotten it to at Ridiculous levels the same complaint, so 17 is in a similar group of getting this so called stealing screen time from others complaint and I have seen this talked around here as well.

But what does not even = too, who is 17 stealing from or any other character stealing screen-time from?! Characters in this need time to flesh themselves out otherwise they are forgotten. I get wanting to see your favorites have more screen-time but going as far is provoking to get this is to belittle and undercut other characters both New and Returning characters to get your character more time is a form of Foiling that is just selfish and wrong.

Characters get the time the writer gives them to flesh them out, if you want more of your character to shine in this, then maybe spend MORE TIME talking about the times they have had already on the screen and why those are important and good moments for them. It is not about how much time one has but the substance they have when they are on.

To the fan complaining, 17 is on the screen is evenly = IMO to how his character arc has been well fleshed out. To take away from him to promote your own is in reality taking more away from your favorite cause you ignore what moments they have by just asking for more for them, but if you are not willing to even highlight the moments they have already, what makes having more time any better if you are not willing to promote the time your favorite already has had.

One of the responsibilities a fan has most is to take whatever time their favorite has had and give reasons why those moments where good for their character and PR it to the Hill-Top the best they can. Even a min of screen-time can be more golden then many think, substances is the most important aspect of a character to remember.
100% thank you for your support. i know exactly the person who made that statement and they're just so pathetic. blaming x character because your favorite character didn't shine as much you wanted him to is hilarious. fortunetly many people are enjoying 17 in this arc and looking forward to see more of him. as i previously said in my old comment one crybaby isn't gonna change much. i also agree with you that this person should rather talk about their favorite instead of attacking other people's favorites.

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Post by perucho1990 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:14 pm

One of the reasons for the 17 hate is that he is a ratings killer, every time he gets screen time the ratings take a dip, see the episodes after episode 116 for example, feels like he is pushed down the fans throats, WWE mentality in Toei.

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Post by pacz360 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:15 pm

Lapislettuce wrote:
Supersaiyanbulla wrote:Someone made a rant on 17 on a different site so I'm just gonna post it(want to know people opinion on this).

17 seriously needs to go as he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it.

He is a complete nobody who just lived in a forest and Toriyama didnt even care to make him apart of the recurring cast like 18 in the Buu arc and then 17 somehow gets the treatment he gets now and it is just ridiculous.
Except a lot of people like 17 and just because you don't or the person who made this "rant" doesn't. shouldn't mean that he needs to get out. majority are enjoying him in this arc so i doubt some crybaby ranting about him outlasting his favorite would change that honestly.
Exactly just because someone wanna get butthurt over 17 doesn't mean everyone feels that way

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Post by pacz360 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:17 pm

perucho1990 wrote:One of the reasons for the 17 hate is that he is a ratings killer, every time he gets screen time the ratings take a dip, see the episodes after episode 116 for example, feels like he is pushed down the fans throats, WWE mentality in Toei.
U don't know what the fuck your talking about do you
How exactly 17 a ratings killer or he's pushed down the fans throat considering he's been absent since 103 and didn't do anything battle wise till his duel with u2 again

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Post by Lapislettuce » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:17 pm

perucho1990 wrote:One of the reasons for the 17 hate is that he is a ratings killer, every time he gets screen time the ratings take a dip, see the episodes after episode 116 for example, feels like he is pushed down the fans throats, WWE mentality in Toei.
You literally say that about every character.

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Post by CriticalThinker » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:18 pm

Lapislettuce wrote:
CriticalThinker wrote:
Supersaiyanbulla wrote:Someone made a rant on 17 on a different site so I'm just gonna post it(want to know people opinion on this).

17 seriously needs to go as he is just an intruder stealing screen time from others when he doesn't deserve it.

He is a complete nobody who just lived in a forest and Toriyama didnt even care to make him apart of the recurring cast like 18 in the Buu arc and then 17 somehow gets the treatment he gets now and it is just ridiculous.
Though many have already responded to this I thought I'd give my two cents. I'd like to ask how 17 and who is 17 stealing screen time from exactly? Is it Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, because all of them have gotten plenty of screen time already the only one who really hasn't is Freeza and I'm sure he's going to do something later on. Also funny to me since Android 17 and 18 didn't have any screen time after 102/103 and only showed up briefly in 110. Only recently have they gotten more screen time and I'd argue that 18 has gotten more screen time overall than 17. Just of all characters to complain about taking up screen time I feel like 17 is an odd one to single out. If you don't mind me asking what website was it?
I know exactly the person who made that comment on another site. it's that Piccolo fan who keeps crying about 17 ever since he's been announced. cuz lets blame 17 for Piccolo not being relevant for over a decade.
That really doesn't make any sense to get angry at 17 for Piccolo's relevance in the show. I don't really think 17 had anything to do with how Piccolo was treated in the tournament. I mean if I were to blame any character for taking up Piccolo's screen time it would be Goku but then again he is the main character. Honestly I was never the biggest 17 fan but I started to like him a lot more during this tournament so I'm glad he's made it this far. Sure it sucks that Piccolo got taken out but he wasn't treated nearly as bad as some fans say.

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Post by Lapislettuce » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:20 pm

CriticalThinker wrote:
Lapislettuce wrote:
CriticalThinker wrote:
Though many have already responded to this I thought I'd give my two cents. I'd like to ask how 17 and who is 17 stealing screen time from exactly? Is it Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, because all of them have gotten plenty of screen time already the only one who really hasn't is Freeza and I'm sure he's going to do something later on. Also funny to me since Android 17 and 18 didn't have any screen time after 102/103 and only showed up briefly in 110. Only recently have they gotten more screen time and I'd argue that 18 has gotten more screen time overall than 17. Just of all characters to complain about taking up screen time I feel like 17 is an odd one to single out. If you don't mind me asking what website was it?
I know exactly the person who made that comment on another site. it's that Piccolo fan who keeps crying about 17 ever since he's been announced. cuz lets blame 17 for Piccolo not being relevant for over a decade.
That really doesn't make any sense to get angry at 17 for Piccolo's relevance in the show. I don't really think 17 had anything to do with how Piccolo was treated in the tournament. I mean if I were to blame any character for taking up Piccolo's screen time it would be Goku but then again he is the main character. Honestly I was never the biggest 17 fan but I started to like him a lot more during this tournament so I'm glad he's made it this far. Sure it sucks that Piccolo got taken out but he wasn't treated nearly as bad as some fans say.
Well tell that to the Piccolo fan who keeps saying that on forums. also i'm glad you started liking him in this arc. as i previously said he's been gaining a lot of positivity since ep 102.

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Post by Lapislettuce » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:22 pm

pacz360 wrote:
perucho1990 wrote:One of the reasons for the 17 hate is that he is a ratings killer, every time he gets screen time the ratings take a dip, see the episodes after episode 116 for example, feels like he is pushed down the fans throats, WWE mentality in Toei.
U don't know what the fuck your talking about do you
How exactly 17 a ratings killer or he's pushed down the fans throat considering he's been absent since 103 and didn't do anything battle wise till his duel with u2 again
Not to mention ep 117 was more of an 18 centered episode. 17 hasn't had a proper episode yet that lived up to the hype he got. bringing the ratings is so random considering i know other characters who had episode dedciated to them that did worse than any episode 17 was featured in.

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Post by YonedgeHP » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:29 pm

perucho1990 wrote:One of the reasons for the 17 hate is that he is a ratings killer, every time he gets screen time the ratings take a dip, see the episodes after episode 116 for example, feels like he is pushed down the fans throats, WWE mentality in Toei.
People have been telling to you to seriously stop jumping the shark and doing baseless assumptions nonstop in every single comment. You don't know how ratings works.
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Post by perucho1990 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:31 pm

pacz360 wrote: U don't know what the fuck your talking about do you
How exactly 17 a ratings killer or he's pushed down the fans throat considering he's been absent since 103 and didn't do anything battle wise till his duel with u2 again
With the exception of episode 101 all of his episodes did below the 5.0 mark He looks like a momentum killer, he has only got over in the West. There was also this.

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Oh and I dont hate 17 btw, its that he is still kinda boring.
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Post by CriticalThinker » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:31 pm

Lapislettuce wrote:
CriticalThinker wrote:
Lapislettuce wrote: I know exactly the person who made that comment on another site. it's that Piccolo fan who keeps crying about 17 ever since he's been announced. cuz lets blame 17 for Piccolo not being relevant for over a decade.
That really doesn't make any sense to get angry at 17 for Piccolo's relevance in the show. I don't really think 17 had anything to do with how Piccolo was treated in the tournament. I mean if I were to blame any character for taking up Piccolo's screen time it would be Goku but then again he is the main character. Honestly I was never the biggest 17 fan but I started to like him a lot more during this tournament so I'm glad he's made it this far. Sure it sucks that Piccolo got taken out but he wasn't treated nearly as bad as some fans say.
Well tell that to the Piccolo fan who keeps saying that on forums. also i'm glad you started liking him in this arc. as i previously said he's been gaining a lot of positivity since ep 102.
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