The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

You can see Kuririn take off his weights twice. Once while heading towards Vegeta and Nappa and once while heading for Dodoria, Zarbon and Freeza while they were wrecking the Namekian villages.

Well, we don't know those were weighted, but I see your point. Still, Krillin is roughly the same strength at both of these points, at a time when weighted clothes are still relevant. Also, we know that the clothes that Kaio gives Goku aren't weighted. This to me indicates that it's around the level when the concept of weighted clothes kinda loses its relevance.

[Mjb1985]

True it's not 100%, but everyone is shown taking off a mysterious black shirt before they to fight the Saiyans. Then we see Kuririn take off another mysterious black shirt as he goes off to battle insanely powerful foes on Namek.

No more so than gravity training. Piccolo seems to be the only one who maintains weighted clothing. Power statements and fights back that up to.

Piccolo over one million still got a benefit from weights.

And Piccolo went from rivaling the androids to perhaps being slightly superior to 17.

[Kamiccolo9]

True it's not 100%, but everyone is shown taking off a mysterious black shirt before they to fight the Saiyans. Then we see Kuririn take off another mysterious black shirt as he goes off to battle insanely powerful foes on Namek.

No more so than gravity training. Piccolo seems to be the only one who maintains weighted clothing. Power statements and fights back that up to.

Piccolo over one million still got a benefit from weights.

And Piccolo went from rivaling the androids to perhaps being slightly superior to 17.

You have me there with the Saiyan and Namek arcs.
However, there is a huge gap between Freeza arc Piccolo and Kamiccolo. Piccolo is over 150x stronger than he was in the Freeza Arc after fusing with Kami.
Also, he isn't seen fighting the Androids in his cape and turban, so we don't really have a way to compare. Goku doesn't take off his undershirt when he fights Cell, and Krillin shows up to the Cell Games wearing one of those too.

[Saiga]

I think Yakon's between Gohan and Goku, since Gohan wanted to team up but Goku was already toying with him. So Goku takes this.

Yakon could have underestimated Goku like Goku said in the quote and held back when attacking Goku as he thought Goku couldn't defend himself. It's a plausible theory as to why after Goku gets his SSJ form drained, Gohan says they should team up so SSJ isn't needed.

I think Gohan just didn't know how strong Goku really was, and underestimated him. So I think Yakon is stronger than Gohan for Gohan to think it'd take two of them to beat him, but not stronger than Goku.

[dbzfan7]

I think Gohan just didn't know how strong Goku really was, and underestimated him. So I think Yakon is stronger than Gohan for Gohan to think it'd take two of them to beat him, but not stronger than Goku.

I'm not sure Gohan is the person to underestimate his dad.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think Gohan just didn't know how strong Goku really was, and underestimated him. So I think Yakon is stronger than Gohan for Gohan to think it'd take two of them to beat him, but not stronger than Goku.

I'm not sure Gohan is the person to underestimate his dad.

Well, it is the first time he's seen him fight in 7 years, and the last time he saw him fight, Gohan was much stronger than Goku.

[dbzfan7]

I think Gohan just didn't know how strong Goku really was, and underestimated him. So I think Yakon is stronger than Gohan for Gohan to think it'd take two of them to beat him, but not stronger than Goku.

I'm not sure Gohan is the person to underestimate his dad.

Well, it is the first time he's seen him fight in 7 years, and the last time he saw him fight, Gohan was much stronger than Goku.

Good point. But Gohan has overestimated him in Goku's fight with Cell.

[Kamiccolo9]

That was because Gohan didn't realize that he had surpassed his dad. During the Buu Arc, he knew that he was much stronger than Goku at the Cell Games.

[dbzfan7]

That was because Gohan didn't realize that he had surpassed his dad. During the Buu Arc, he knew that he was much stronger than Goku at the Cell Games.

I guess i'll take your word for it.

[RandomGuy96]

Super Bojack vs Movie 8 Broly

Kibito Kai vs Dabura.

[Kamiccolo9]

Super Bojack vs Movie 8 Broly

Kibito Kai vs Dabura.

I put Bojack on the same level as Super Perfect Cell, with Broly around Full Power Perfect Cell, so Bojack takes this.

I have Kibito Kai between SSJ2 and SSJ3 Goku, so he should stomp Dabura, unless he gets lucky with his spit.

[Draken]

I've never really gotten how strong the villains were in movie 2. Could Wheelo beat Vegeta (first time seen on Namek)?

[Kamiccolo9]

I've never really gotten how strong the villains were in movie 2. Could Wheelo beat Vegeta (first time seen on Namek)?

As I see it, he's around the same level, or slightly weaker than, Saiyan Arc Vegeta. He overpowered Kaio-ken Goku, but a Kaio-kenx3 was too much for him.

[Draken]

I've never really gotten how strong the villains were in movie 2. Could Wheelo beat Vegeta (first time seen on Namek)?

As I see it, he's around the same level, or slightly weaker than, Saiyan Arc Vegeta. He overpowered Kaio-ken Goku, but a Kaio-kenx3 was too much for him.

Ah, so initial Namek Arc Vegeta could take Wheelo then?

[Kamiccolo9]

I've never really gotten how strong the villains were in movie 2. Could Wheelo beat Vegeta (first time seen on Namek)?

As I see it, he's around the same level, or slightly weaker than, Saiyan Arc Vegeta. He overpowered Kaio-ken Goku, but a Kaio-kenx3 was too much for him.

Ah, so initial Namek Arc Vegeta could take Wheelo then?

I think that he could, easily. Goku seems to be roughly the same strength that he was in the Vegeta fight, and Roshi and Krillin are still somewhat relevant in an actual fight, so I think that Wheelo would be crushed by Namek Vegeta.

[MDSTSSJ]

Super Bojack vs Movie 8 Broly

Kibito Kai vs Dabura.

I have Super Bojack equal to Perfect Cell ( the Perfect Cell Vs SSJ2 Gohan ). Super Bojack slap Broly´s face.

Close match between Kibito Kai and Dabura I think.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I put Bojack on the same level as Super Perfect Cell

But Super Perfect Cell was implied to be around the same level as Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, while Bojack was obviously far from that level.

[Draken]

I put Bojack on the same level as Super Perfect Cell

But Super Perfect Cell was implied to be around the same level as Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, while Bojack was obviously far from that level.

I never really understood that. Wasn't Gohan stated to have lost a shitton of ki when he flew in front of Vegeta and took the full force of Cell's blast? Yet he was still strong enough to beat Cell, I don't see that as on the same level as SSJ2 Gohan.

[Kamiccolo9]

I put Bojack on the same level as Super Perfect Cell

But Super Perfect Cell was implied to be around the same level as Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, while Bojack was obviously far from that level.

Super Saiyan 2 Gohan at half power managed to overcome Super Perfect Cell in the Kamehameha duel. I do think that Cell is stronger than Bojack, but they are on the same tier. Bojack is just the low end of that tier.

[RandomGuy96]

If Gohan was so much stronger than Cell, then he wouldn't have been nearly killed by one blast that Cell didn't even put any effort into. I mean as it stands SS2 Gohan has NO feats that put him above SPC... he got nearly killed with one blast (which was nowhere near Cell's best, as he intended it to kill Vegeta and said that he was done playing around right after firing it) and then lost a beam struggle... quickly...with Gohan expressing great surprise that he got so strong. It's only because of Vegeta that the solar system didn't blow up right there.