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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:49 am

The changed ending isn't a retcon, it's just a change.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:08 am

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U16 Bra is my favorite Dragon Ball Multiverse character, followed by U16 Vegetto.

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Wow, how shit does that make all the other characters?
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:24 am

Kanassa wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
U16 Bra is my favorite Dragon Ball Multiverse character, followed by U16 Vegetto.

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Wow, how shit does that make all the other characters?
That's not how opinions work.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:17 am

Gt version of Pan and bra are the biggest disgrace to ever emerge from the franchise
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by emperior » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:53 am

Gog wrote:[spoiler]Rant (I don't know anymore)

Some people claim that Dragon Ball Multiverse is nearly better than Dragon Ball Super in every way, despite that statement being complete horse shit, they then went on to claim that it was better than it with the original characters, an at that point I trailed off, as they even had the balls to list Freeza as a character done better in Dragon Ball Multiverse.

So I've decided to do a super rant of sorts divided into three parts, 1. The main cast, and canon characters, 2. The O.C'S, 3. The main character, I'll rant and break down each individual one.

Now I won't even bother with talking about Freeza, and his brother as they are shat on time, and time, and time again, that mentioning them longer than they should be is honestly a mercy. But I will say this Dragon Ball Super has treated Freeza with a thousand times more respect than Dragon Ball Multiverse has in its nine year run.

Goku, now despite him not being the center of attention, and not getting a single good fight, and him not getting the center of attention, for the times that we do get to see him. I will argue that even Dragon Ball Super Goku is better than him, but for the sole fact that there's just nothing to come off Goku in Dragon Ball Multiverse. He's there. And he's only there to lose to Vegeta.

'Ginyu' I was honest to god conflicted on whenever or not to put Ginyu in the O.C Section, or the character section. Because he's just so anti Ginyu, he hasn't exhibited a single one of his likeable traits, he didn't dance once, didn't show how he was honorable, blah, blah, blah, he wasn't Ginyu, and if you hadn't called him Ginyu people would believe you as he just doesn't have a single trait from him. And even him being cold was lame, as it completely shat all over the image that Cold was a badass.

Vegeta now despite all of this Vegeta is similar to his EOZ self, we've managed to figure this out by all the screen time he's had. Honestly not much to say about him, he's just better than he is, in Super, even though Super Vegeta is more entertaining.

Goten, and Trunks, their both somehow still possess their kid personality, they are both literally the same characters that they were in Dragon Ball Z.

Piccolo, does this man even have any screen time? Does he actually do anything?

Gohan, now honestly Dragon Ball Multiverse does him really well, putting more emphasize on the father bit, rather than the fighter bit.

Videl, not enough screen time, skip.

Pan, she's actually incredibly well done in this version, as not a whole lot actually hate her guts, and she has had some very story driven moments.

Dabura, is a pathetic but monkey unfortunately.

18, and 17 I'm honest to god baffled with these two, they've been killing off most of humanity for years, and years, and they didn't really want to do all of the bad things they did? Seriously these two are just cheap shlock.

The supreme kai's, pathetic, psychopathic murderous baby killers, who deserves no less than a sword rammed into their stomachs, and have it dragged upwards, painfully, as they slowly die.

Buu, a fun, loveable character, and is literally the best character in the fan manga. Raichi, the most complex, and dark of the characters, together you'll find out that these characters are literally too good to be true. And especially in this web comic.

Vegito, Slagir has completely and utterly ruined his character, turning him into an angry, violent, arrogant, egotistical, and being so un Goku like it actually hurts. He's also hogs up most of the screen time, to the point where people actually don't like him. He's also the second main character

O.C'S

Now Slagir's O.C'S have a habit of being as dry as coco puff's but is this really true?

The heliotes, besides their knock off powers, god's blade = Kienzan, but better!1!!111 They don't really have all that memorable of a personality, and a design, their just sorta there. And honestly I think half the reason why they were given a sad backstory in the first place was so that they would make the main character look good in comparison.

Gast, now Gast is his own character, he's got a personality, its just that he's completely, and utterly bland, and a bore to listen to. There's no one bouncing off him, he hardly interacts with anyone, his best moments are when he's more evil good, not stoic, in fact he's to much Piccolo.

I'K'L This isn't a character, more of a worthless gag, skip!

The bojack girls, or a bunch of equally worthless, boring bunch of stereotypes, they never contributed anything. Skip.

The main character

Now that we've got the fuckton of characters out of the way. Let's narrow out sight onto the main character on Dragon Ball Multiverse Bra. Now Bra is an arrogant jerkass, with no redeeming qualities, she's also a creator's pet, which is evidenced by Slagir's bafflement that he expresses, and the way that he constantly compares her to Vegeta, not understanding why he's popular and she's not. She's also a literal Jerk sue, a karma Houdini, and she reduces the main cast of characters to awestruck cheerleaders worried about her safety.

What the hell did I just write up?[/spoiler]
That's actually a very good post, I agree with everything you wrote except for maybe Vegeta. I don't remember much of DBM's Vegeta but he doesn't have a big role in it. While in Super, Vegeta has very good moments and is actually important. So the two can't really be compared in my opinion.

Multiverse is shit by the way.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Alruneia » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:53 am

Ki Breaker wrote:Gt version of Pan and bra are the biggest disgrace to ever emerge from the franchise
I don't know about biggest, but it's not much of an unpopular opinion that they're both awful. GT Pan really isn't well received, from what I can tell, and as far as GT Bulla goes, she had an awful characterisation and was criminally underused. In both cases, it's grievous misuse of what could have been perfectly good characters. One got way too much spotlight, the other got way too little spotlight, and both of them were poorly written and had essentially no character development.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ki Breaker » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:23 am

Alruneia wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Gt version of Pan and bra are the biggest disgrace to ever emerge from the franchise
I don't know about biggest, but it's not much of an unpopular opinion that they're both awful. GT Pan really isn't well received, from what I can tell, and as far as GT Bulla goes, she had an awful characterisation and was criminally underused. In both cases, it's grievous misuse of what could have been perfectly good characters. One got way too much spotlight, the other got way too little spotlight, and both of them were poorly written and had essentially no character development.
Wasn't pan pretty popular in Japan?
It's the western fandom from where the dislike emerged?
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Post by Alruneia » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:28 am

Ki Breaker wrote:
Alruneia wrote:
Ki Breaker wrote:Gt version of Pan and bra are the biggest disgrace to ever emerge from the franchise
I don't know about biggest, but it's not much of an unpopular opinion that they're both awful. GT Pan really isn't well received, from what I can tell, and as far as GT Bulla goes, she had an awful characterisation and was criminally underused. In both cases, it's grievous misuse of what could have been perfectly good characters. One got way too much spotlight, the other got way too little spotlight, and both of them were poorly written and had essentially no character development.
Wasn't pan pretty popular in Japan?
It's the western fandom from where the dislike emerged?
Well, I'm only familiar with the western fandom, so I can't really speak for the Japanese one. I just know that most people I've seen (all in the western fandom, most likely) don't like GT Pan. Maybe there should be a worldwide poll to see who's the most liked and disliked in the franchise or something.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:30 pm

ABED wrote:The changed ending isn't a retcon, it's just a change.
It depends on what perspective you're coming from. If you're acknowledging the series' history, and that a different sentiment was given beforehand, I think it's fair to call it a retcon. Either way, it's semantics. Everyone knows what I meant.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:33 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
ABED wrote:The changed ending isn't a retcon, it's just a change.
It depends on what perspective you're coming from. If you're acknowledging the series' history, and that a different sentiment was given beforehand, I think it's fair to call it a retcon. Either way, it's semantics. Everyone knows what I meant.
A retcon is more like saying a change to a past was as if it had always been there. This example is just a change.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:07 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kanassa wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
U16 Bra is my favorite Dragon Ball Multiverse character, followed by U16 Vegetto.

:P
Wow, how shit does that make all the other characters?
That's not how opinions work.
We're just using our opinions to make a bit of fun of her opinions. We're not saying she should stop liking them. We're just having some fun

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:36 pm

Gog wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Kanassa wrote: Wow, how shit does that make all the other characters?
That's not how opinions work.
We're just using our opinions to make a bit of fun of her opinions. We're not saying she should stop liking them. We're just having some fun
I understand that perfectly. My point was that just because he prefers those characters it doesn't mean that he thinks the other characters are much worse. People's "scales" or "hierarchy" of preferences aren't consistent, they can take any form.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:39 pm

rereboy wrote:
Gog wrote:
rereboy wrote:
That's not how opinions work.
We're just using our opinions to make a bit of fun of her opinions. We're not saying she should stop liking them. We're just having some fun
I understand that perfectly. My point was that just because he prefers those characters it doesn't mean that he thinks the other characters are much worse. People's "scales" or "hierarchy" of preferences aren't consistent, they can take any form.
Yeah, I know. Opinions are a baffling thing that are always different for some reason, or another. Also new unpopular dragon ball opinion.

Every fan made arcosian transformation is terrible

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kanassa » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:42 pm

rereboy wrote:
Gog wrote:
rereboy wrote:
That's not how opinions work.
We're just using our opinions to make a bit of fun of her opinions. We're not saying she should stop liking them. We're just having some fun
I understand that perfectly. My point was that just because he prefers those characters it doesn't mean that he thinks the other characters are much worse. People's "scales" or "hierarchy" of preferences aren't consistent, they can take any form.
That's the joke. I'm someone who views Bra as the worse character in Multiverse, so I'm jokingly saying that seeing her as the best means all the otehr character are worse, so in my view he/she is insulting the other characters.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Noah » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:29 pm

Don't know how much unpopular this is, but I prefer Cell arc over the Freeza arc, sure the latter had more story and well developed plot, but the planet Namek scenario was just bland and boring so as Freeza endless transformations. Bringing things back to Earth was nice, didn't really have a much problem with the Super Saiyan fest as I loved this transformation. By the time 19 and 20 show up and episodes before Cell introduction was the first time I felt the thriller in the series. Didn't have much problem with characters making stupid decisions cause all of them were in-character, my only problem was with Gohan not wanting to fight Cell in first stance. (please don't transform this the controversial "Was Gohan OOC in the Cell Games" discussion) SSJ2 transformation and the ending of this arc was one of the most memorable scenes of the franchise.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by The gr » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:35 pm

Guys I'm going to post the ultimate unpopular opinion in the history of db is so unpopular when I said it I killed the grand priest when is say it and it is [spoiler]I like goku black in the manga[/spoiler] i can't believe I pulled it off hopefully everyone survive this
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:48 pm

Noah wrote:Don't know how much unpopular this is, but I prefer Cell arc over the Freeza arc, sure the latter had more story and well developed plot, but the planet Namek scenario was just bland and boring so as Freeza endless transformations. Bringing things back to Earth was nice, didn't really have a much problem with the Super Saiyan fest as I loved this transformation. By the time 19 and 20 show up and episodes before Cell introduction was the first time I felt the thriller in the series. Didn't have much problem with characters making stupid decisions cause all of them were in-character, my only problem was with Gohan not wanting to fight Cell in first stance. (please don't transform this the controversial "Was Gohan OOC in the Cell Games" discussion) SSJ2 transformation and the ending of this arc was one of the most memorable scenes of the franchise.
Thats an incredibly unpopular opinion the Freeza arc is arguably the best saga ever produced with it's greatest competitor for that position being the saiyan saga. I personally prefer the Freeza saga, because of Freeza, and the ginyu force. But hey that's my opinion.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Cetra » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:32 pm

Gog wrote: Every fan made arcosian transformation is terrible
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gog » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:34 pm

Cetra wrote:
Gog wrote: Every fan made arcosian transformation is terrible
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N-no Cetra I didn't think about your one, I was thinking about all the popular ones. Like DBM, DBAF, nearly everything on earth. Wasn't actually thinking about yours at the time. :oops: sorry I didn't specify

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