The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't think that was implied. The only thing ever mentioned was that Vegeta is stronger than Teen Gohan. Since he seems impressed that Goku surpassed Gohan when he fought Cell, he's most likely weaker before he obtained the Majin power-up.

Vegeta still wins.

Yeah, I just checked, and you're right. I still think Vegeta wins.

[RandomGuy96]

I think a Pikkon would dispatch him with the same ease that he dispatched Super Perfect Cell.

[MDSTSSJ]

Vegeta kicks Paikuhan ass.

SSJ2 Vegeta ( with out Majin ) Boo´s arc is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan Cell Games as Kamiccolo9 says.

[RandomGuy96]

It's pretty heavily implied that he is not.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Paikuhan vs pre-Majin Vegeta SS2.

Vegeta kicks his ass. Paikuhan merely got the jump on a suppressed Cell.

[RandomGuy96]

If he just got lucky, then the whole point of that scene and everyone's reactions to it are moot and pointless. From a Doylist perspective it'd seem weird. That was a pretty obvious "This guy's stronger than Cell!" moment. It's not like him being stronger than Super Perfect Cell is inconsistent with anything either, and King Kai isn't at all surprised when he hears that Pikkon effortlessly dispatched Cell.

[Mjb1985]

I don't think Vegeta is quite at Kid Gohan's level. And Pikkon got the jump on a suppressed Cell as stated by a previous poster.

[Draken]

If Pikkon really one-shot a FPPC, then that means he should have one-shot a fresh from the living world weaker than suppressed PC Goku with a kiai. As said before, I'm under the assumption he merely got the jump on a very heavily suppressed PC.

[dbzfan7]

If Paikuhan really one-shot a FPPC, then that means he should have one-shot a fresh from the living world weaker than suppressed PC Goku with a kiai. As said before, I'm under the assumption he merely got the jump on a very heavily suppressed PC.

I think it was just toei haxing. Paikuhan would be able to one shot Goku if he could one shot Super Perfect Cell. Yet Paikuhan had a hard time against Goku even though he had the advantage.

[Mjb1985]

Or Pikkon one shotted a Cell that was vastly weaker than Ssj Goku.

[dbzfan7]

Or Paikuhan one shotted a Cell that was vastly weaker than Ssj Goku.

Toei loves Goku and his "special area" so its likely true.

[Mjb1985]

I don't have an issue here.


Pikkon ( w/o weights ) > Ssj Goku > 50% Goku ~ Blazing Shot > 25% Goku ~ Base Cell

That gives plenty of space there.

[Undertaker]

I don't have an issue here.


Paikuhan ( w/o weights ) > Ssj Goku > 50% Goku ~ Blazing Shot > 25% Goku ~ Base Cell

That gives plenty of space there.

I like your 25% Goku. This is what I have him in his resting MSSJ state

[Mjb1985]

Yea man. Damn isn't there a better way of saying that? Relaxed Power? Base Ssj power ? Lol ah I got it! Initial Ssj Power. That may be better.

[Saiga]

Vegeta wins.

[Mjb1985]

Mutaito vs Tenshinhan ( 22nd )

[rereboy]

Mutaito vs Tenshinhan ( 22nd )

Mutaito wins. Apparently Mutaito, with the help of his students, was able to deal with Piccolo Daimao's offsring when Piccolo Daimao was young. He only lost against Piccolo Daimao himself. But Tenshinhan was pretty much demolished by Drum. So, IMO, Mutaito was somewhere between Drum and young Piccolo Daimao's power.

[Mjb1985]

I would have to agree.

I am under the impression that Mutaito, Roshi and Tsuru were all well above the Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao.

[Draken]

I would have to agree.

I am under the impression that Mutaito, Roshi and Tsuru were all well above the Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao.

Well above the Goku who fought old Piccolo right?

[dbzfan7]

I would have to agree.

I am under the impression that Mutaito, Roshi and Tsuru were all well above the Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao.

Well above the Goku who fought old Piccolo right?

I hope so, because only post water Goku could beat Daimao without the Mafuba. Then you got the stupid filler episode which has Mutaito>Goku>Daimao>Mutaito.