"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE" Official Discussion Thread

[KentalSSJ6]

You should know Freeza's race arent called Arcosians. That name belongs to a filler race and whats more, the race isnt even named in the Japanese dub. As it stands, there is no official name for the race.

[Zelvin]

You should know Freeza's race arent called Arcosians. That name belongs to a filler race and whats more, the race isnt even named in the Japanese dub. As it stands, there is no official name for the race.

I'm quite aware. However referring to them as the "Frieza Race" is just a load of bull and boring and utter crap. It would infer that Frieza is their progenitor when we all know he isn't. Even if it's a filler name, it can catch on and be made canon. Much like Yautja was made the canon name for the Predators in the Predator and AVP series. Fans kept calling them that until the writers made it canon.

[Mewzard]

Isn't it more referred to as Freeza's Clan, meaning his family? The race could still have a separate name, but this group being the Freeza Clan or whatever.

[KentalSSJ6]

You should know Freeza's race arent called Arcosians. That name belongs to a filler race and whats more, the race isnt even named in the Japanese dub. As it stands, there is no official name for the race.

I'm quite aware. However referring to them as the "Freeza Race" is just a load of bull and boring and utter crap. It would infer that Freeza is their progenitor when we all know he isn't. Even if it's a filler name, it can catch on and be made canon. Much like Yautja was made the canon name for the Predators in the Predator and AVP series. Fans kept calling them that until the writers made it canon.

It isnt going to be official if American fans call it that. You think the Japanese care what a bunch of people on the other side of the planet call the fictional race of a cartoon?

[Zelvin]

Isn't it more referred to as Freeza's Clan, meaning his family? The race could still have a separate name, but this group being the Freeza Clan or whatever.

However that would indicate all involved are related to Freeza, and the only known members of his clan are himself, Cold and Chilled with Cooler being non-canon alongside Kuriza. The only canon members are all dead and I don't see Freeza surviving the next film. As it stands there isn't anyone who could continue on with Freeza's clan without being a blood relative or loyal to his family. And if all it took was loyalty, then any of the races of his forces would suffice and it wouldn't be race-specific as depicted.

Freeza has no canon offspring or other relatives. Any others that we know of are PC's from Dragon Ball Heroes. If they wanted to use the suffix of clan, it could be something like shimo-batsu, or "Frost Clan". That being an individual named Frost or the racial title. Kinda like saiya-jin. Jin meaning "people"

[KentalSSJ6]

There is no canon, just thought Id let you know that.

[TheGmGoken]

What is Arcosians? Never heard that in the series ever? Unless the Korean dub changed it. Did JPN audio have it?

[KentalSSJ6]

What is Arcosians? Never heard that in the series ever? Unless the Korean dub changed it. Did JPN audio have it?

No, its born from the English dub when Kaio informs Goku of the Saiyans during a filler episode. Goes into their way with the Tsufuru and their meeting with the "Arcosians" which in the Japanese dub dont even have a name nor are even implied to be Freeza's race in any dub.

[Zelvin]

It isnt going to be official if American fans call it that. You think the Japanese care what a bunch of people on the other side of the planet call the fictional race of a cartoon?[/quote]

Considering the company is multinational then they would give it some thought. Especially how often Japan goes into recession and companies seek new avenues for business and profit. DBZ has always been popular and edging a bit more info out to appease Westerners would be a way to increase their profits. I mean, look what happened to DBO. Without a global release it died off pretty quickly, and yet a group of Western fans are trying to build it back up, fully translated into several languages with their own server so they can bring the experience to all those that never got to play. Which I feel is quite admirable and something others have done before.

Such as with Star Wars Galaxies. That thing was shut down some years ago, and a fan project went underway to bring it back in some capacity for all those who loyally loved the game. So you shouldn't discount Western fans too much. They are keen on making things happen.

Should Freeza's race be referred to as Arcosians? Not my call. However it beats referring to them as the "Frieza "Clan" by quite a lot. That just makes it seem like an off-shoot or part of a group. Like how Namekians were divided between Warrior and Dragon Clan, despite being the exact same race. The difference there being that Warriors were their fighters and the Dragon Clan could make Dragon Balls and act as healers, much like Dende.

[KentalSSJ6]

As I've said, Id prefer calling them Freeza's race/clan as games like Heroes and supposedly Xenoverse are doing over a nonsensical filler term.

[TheGmGoken]

What is Arcosians? Never heard that in the series ever? Unless the Korean dub changed it. Did JPN audio have it?

No, its born from the English dub when Kaio informs Goku of the Saiyans during a filler episode. Goes into their way with the Tsufuru and their meeting with the "Arcosians" which in the Japanese dub dont even have a name nor are even implied to be Freeza's race in any dub.

Ah so it's a dub term. I thought it was a fanfiction idea. Thanks for information. I doubt anyone cares what a TERRIBLE translated English dub named a race. I doubt most even notice. Freeza's clan sounds good enough. We don't need to know every race's name. And Arcosians sounds ugly. I can't even pronuce it. I've never heard anyone use the term before today.

[Zelvin]

As I've said, Id prefer calling them Freeza's race/clan as games like Heroes and supposedly Xenoverse are doing over a nonsensical filler term.

But again, referring to them as such doesn't make any sense. It would either mean he is the progenitor of the current race or that all those now existing are related to him. Neither is true. It's little more than a copout, a lack of imagination. Toriyama never officially named them, and he himself never referred to them as any sort of Clan. If the only reason not to call them Arcosians is because Toriyama didn't say they are, then that's just copping out and passing the buck. Unless Toriyama contradicts the term used in the Filler, I don't see a reason not to use it in other media. It is a way of distinguishing them as a Race instead of just a family group. Because that's what it would entail.

Take a look a bit at Star Wars. Yes nasty subject, but look anyway at Mandalorians. They have different clans all around, but they're still Human. And those that aren't were inducted into the clans through ritual. To be part of, say, Clan Ordo would be to be related to them by blood or married into them, or have gone through a type of ritual to prove their worthiness of it. In the same respect, to be a part of Freeza's clan would entail either blood relations or proving tough enough to join them. And in that way, you wouldn't need to be of the same Race. So referring to them as belonging to a specific individuals clan is a bit disingenuous and I find it a bit insulting to the fans that they couldn't come up with something on their own that'd work.

It especially wouldn't work as, noted for "Fukkatsu no F", Freeza's been dead for 20yrs, his whole family has been eliminated, and there's nothing to suggest there were any others nor that they'd be referred to as part of his "Clan". It doesn't make any sense.

[KentalSSJ6]

What is Arcosians? Never heard that in the series ever? Unless the Korean dub changed it. Did JPN audio have it?

No, its born from the English dub when Kaio informs Goku of the Saiyans during a filler episode. Goes into their way with the Tsufuru and their meeting with the "Arcosians" which in the Japanese dub dont even have a name nor are even implied to be Freeza's race in any dub.

Ah so it's a dub term. I thought it was a fanfiction idea. Thanks for information. I doubt anyone cares what a TERRIBLE translated English dub named a race. I doubt most even notice. Freeza's clan sounds good enough. We don't need to know every race's name. And Arcosians sounds ugly. I can't even pronuce it. I've never heard anyone use the term before today.

The issue is you cant pun the race's name off anything. Freeza and his family all follow a pun scheme with cold words and terms. Freeza, Cool, Cold, Chill, Frozen, etc.

What can you pun Arcosian off of that resembles a term for low temperature words?

[Kamiccolo9]

As I've said, Id prefer calling them Freeza's race/clan as games like Heroes and supposedly Xenoverse are doing over a nonsensical filler term.

But again, referring to them as such doesn't make any sense. It would either mean he is the progenitor of the current race or that all those now existing are related to him. Neither is true. It's little more than a copout, a lack of imagination. Toriyama never officially named them, and he himself never referred to them as any sort of Clan. If the only reason not to call them Arcosians is because Toriyama didn't say they are, then that's just copping out and passing the buck. Unless Toriyama contradicts the term used in the Filler, I don't see a reason not to use it in other media. It is a way of distinguishing them as a Race instead of just a family group. Because that's what it would entail.

Take a look a bit at Star Wars. Yes nasty subject, but look anyway at Mandalorians. They have different clans all around, but they're still Human. And those that aren't were inducted into the clans through ritual. To be part of, say, Clan Ordo would be to be related to them by blood or married into them, or have gone through a type of ritual to prove their worthiness of it. In the same respect, to be a part of Freeza's clan would entail either blood relations or proving tough enough to join them. And in that way, you wouldn't need to be of the same Race. So referring to them as belonging to a specific individuals clan is a bit disingenuous and I find it a bit insulting to the fans that they couldn't come up with something on their own that'd work.

It especially wouldn't work as, noted for "Fukkatsu no F", Freeza's been dead for 20yrs, his whole family has been eliminated, and there's nothing to suggest there were any others nor that they'd be referred to as part of his "Clan". It doesn't make any sense.

Or Freeza's just the most prominent one.

Funny that you mention Star Wars, considering Yoda's species is just referred to as "Yoda's species."

[Zelvin]

Or Freeza's just the most prominent one.

Funny that you mention Star Wars, considering Yoda's species is just referred to as "Yoda's species."

Which I'm sure, as you know, doesn't make any sense either since those of the same species were seen in earlier history within The Old Republic, so referring to them as "Yoda's species" doesn't make sense their either. Lucas just never named them and calling them Gremlins might've ticked off some other movie makers. And nowadays it doesn't matter since Disney regards all of it as non-canon except the TCW series, Rebels and their movies. I won't say there aren't mistakes. It just shows that some lack the imagination to really progress anything.

So many terms are tossed around for Freeza's people and yet Namco/Bandai, Viz, Dimps, Funation, etc can't just throw a dart at one and use it? I mean there's the filler term Arcosians, the fancomic DBM refers to them as Frost Demons, other fan terms being Icers or Icejin and Changelings. After Cooler I decided to cal his variant Alters for the way they could change and alter his bodies form. Arcosian was at least used in some capacity by the company.

[TheGmGoken]

I mean there's the filler term Arcosians,

Except it isn't a filler term. It's a dub term. No other dub used it. Only English. So...honestly the dub name is KINDA irrelevant. Now had the filler in JPN called them a name then maybe it can be discussed. It was NOT used by the company (Toei).

[Kakacarrottop]

I mean there's the filler term Arcosians,

Except it isn't a filler term. It's a dub term. No other dub used it. Only English. So...honestly the dub name is KINDA irrelevant. Now had the filler in JPN called them a name then maybe it can be discussed. It was NOT used by the company (Toei).

Was it used in the FUNi dub also or just the Ocean dub? I recall hearing the term in the edited 14th episode "The Legend of the Saiyans"

[Kamiccolo9]

Or Freeza's just the most prominent one.

Funny that you mention Star Wars, considering Yoda's species is just referred to as "Yoda's species."

Which I'm sure, as you know, doesn't make any sense either since those of the same species were seen in earlier history within The Old Republic, so referring to them as "Yoda's species" doesn't make sense their either. Lucas just never named them and calling them Gremlins might've ticked off some other movie makers. And nowadays it doesn't matter since Disney regards all of it as non-canon except the TCW series, Rebels and their movies. I won't say there aren't mistakes. It just shows that some lack the imagination to really progress anything.

So many terms are tossed around for Freeza's people and yet Namco/Bandai, Viz, Dimps, Funation, etc can't just throw a dart at one and use it? I mean there's the filler term Arcosians, the fancomic DBM refers to them as Frost Demons, other fan terms being Icers or Icejin and Changelings. After Cooler I decided to cal his variant Alters for the way they could change and alter his bodies form. Arcosian was at least used in some capacity by the company.

They're (both SW and DB) just referring to the species by it's most well-known member. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Zelvin]

They're (both SW and DB) just referring to the species by it's most well-known member. There's nothing wrong with that.

Except that it's, ya know, boring and unimaginative.

The issue is you cant pun the race's name off anything. Freeza and his family all follow a pun scheme with cold words and terms. Freeza, Cool, Cold, Chill, Frozen, etc.

What can you pun Arcosian off of that resembles a term for low temperature words?

"Arco" to sound more like "Arctic". They all don't follow puns. What does Namek sound like? Nothing really. Namekians? Same deal. Most you can possibly think of is "Namesake". And they all have names of objects or names that make no sense at all. Saiya-jin doesn't sound like a food item, and their names aren't the literal names of vegetables, just made to be played off like. Creating puns off the names of the individual characters does not mean a pun must exist as part of the name of their race.

In either case, Arcosian is just what I personally prefer to call them over the term "Freeza Clan", because one sounds like it could be the name of otherworldly folk, and the other just sounds like someone couldn't be arsed to put any thought into doing their job.

[Saiga]

Namek is taken from "Namekuji" meaning "Slug" in Japanese. Not all the puns are in English, you know.

I think the most baffling thing about choosing to use Arcosian is that even in the dub where the term comes from, it clearly wasn't Freeza's race that was being described.