"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

So how would you guys like if this arc ended with a final confrontation against the Grand Priest?

[Lord Frieza]

Jesus Christ the vegeta hate on this site is just retarded forget this I'm going back to Naruto forums.

I don't see this "retarderd Vegeta hate" of which you speak but if something as little as people expecting Vegeta to get beaten up is enough to cause you to start thinking of people's opinions as "retarded" then maybe this is not the place for you.

Bye bye.

Edit:

So how would you guys like if this arc ended with a final confrontation against the Grand Priest?

An interesting prospect but we'd be diving headlong into uncharted waters with something like that. Goku's only just gotten to GoD level/higher. The angels are a whole other level of unknown.

I think we need a little build up before we take things that far. Maybe it could be used for the next arc?

Edit 2:

We all Know Ribrianne/Brianne is Pure Good, we can never tell truly if that blast was amid at her or not in 102, but more importantly from episode 109/The Special Ribrianne lands near Jiren's feat and he does nothing to harm her, knowing fully that not only she not only good, but Jiren might have a crush on Brianne as well.


[spoiler][/spoiler]

That is so cute. They make a lovely couple.

I'm adding it to my U11 image and art collection right now!

[Supersaiyanbulla]

Goku:
-Got godstomp by great ape Vegeta
-Knocked out by Majin Vegeta(how pathetic)
-Goku had to be saved vs Android 19
-Too weak to beat Perfect Cell
Needed Spirit Bomb energy to beat Kid Buu
-Lost Beerus
-Whis did temporal Do Over to help goku beat freeza
-Even with a rage boost he still gets owned by black
-Got outperform by trunks
-Quit against Hit but was in a disadvantage even before that
Zeno had to erase Zamasu
-Already Jobbed to Jiren with UI
What’s next

[CJStriker_CBR]

Bravo for this post, holy hell. CJStriker isn't mean, so I certainly don't want to start this into a flame war, but I fail to see how he/she does not understand how aggravating the posts he/she makes can be. Ribrianne isn't the second coming of christ and you're not her PR/hype man as if you're a WWE wrestling manager. Ribrianne is very polarizing in the DB community not because it's a female, but because the writers terribly portrayed her and every 2 words out of her mouth was "love love love". It's cute for 5 minutes, then it becomes stale. She had tons of promise and was portrayed awfully and the majority of fans agree with this stance, no matter how hard you try to convince them otherwise.

If you disagree, this show may not be for you.

Indeed I still have high respect for you Swifticuffs and Honestly I don't want to be mean or get mean cause that is not my style and I don't want any flame wars either those are horrid. But Yea I am not going anywhere, this series is more me then I have yet to let flow.

Indeed I never compared Brianne being the Best Thing Every, I just really like her and am glad she was created. She has many flaws too, far from perfect but that just makes me like her even more, room for improvement and development. I do what most any fan does and that is support and give defense to her like any other fan does around here for their favorites, in the end we are all PR people in our own ways and it is pretty fun doing that.

In that end I enjoy all of this, blessed by the fans that disagree with me cause they make me see my faults and strive to make me better. Every Man/Woman is My Superior, so I learn form each person I interact with, your post like all others.

Will see you around the forum.

[Big Chief]

Well, he did want to eliminate Ribrianne in 102 if not for Vegeta attacking her first, so I'm not sure about that.

What aren't you sure about? McRib the telechubby was pure E V I L.

We all Know Ribrianne/Brianne is Pure Good, we can never tell truly if that blast was amid at her or not in 102, but more importantly from episode 109/The Special Ribrianne lands near Jiren's feat and he does nothing to harm her, knowing fully that not only she not only good, but Jiren might have a crush on Brianne as well.


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I was not expecting that fanart. That's just glourious

[ToshioWrites]

I can't see Goku winning the tournament. IMO Either Jiren will win or Freeza will.

[CJStriker_CBR]

We all Know Ribrianne/Brianne is Pure Good, we can never tell truly if that blast was amid at her or not in 102, but more importantly from episode 109/The Special Ribrianne lands near Jiren's feat and he does nothing to harm her, knowing fully that not only she not only good, but Jiren might have a crush on Brianne as well.


[spoiler][/spoiler]

That is so cute. They make a lovely couple.

I'm adding it to my U11 image and art collection right now!

I just remembered to add it to mine Now, I had to go on a hunt for it cause of all the talk about Jiren and Brianne, the discussion remind me of this and I almost go worried it was lost, but Glad I found it again and now Saved it Myself to My Own Universe 2 and Brianne Image/Artwork Collection, Great minds think alike!

BTW, I can see this being made canon in the Anime Down the Line, be an interesting development!

You have to Originally Thank Spider-Man form introducing it to us here too!

[TheOne]

How about this = Goku even in SSB Kaioken x20 got absolute demolished by Jiren to to the point he couldn't even land a punch on him. Unless Vegeta gains Ultra Instinct in this arc (a thing that is not gonna happen) he's going to job against him.

So the fact that Kale went from demolishing SSJ2 Goku to being held back by him means nothing huh? Don’t pick and choose when you want “power scaling” to apply. With that being said, Super has proven many times that they don’t care about consistency in the scaling. The people who find sense in everything have to come up with all kinds of scenarios to justify it.

How about you wait and see what happens in the episode before you start mouthing off?

"Don’t pick and choose when you want “power scaling” to apply" When I did that?, you're just making a right-and-slash assumption because you don't like or want to accept my arguments.

So are you going to discard the logic of the entire show because there were a few examples of inconsistencies in past episodes that had characters that are not related to these at all and were made by different writers? So trying to "power scale" in DBS in one single episode is invalid because there are some inconsistencies in others episodes?

You’re talking to someone who watches dragon ball with a very critical lense. I have a problem with a lot of the powerscaling in the Super series. I’ve even skipped episodes to avoid viewing Super in a negative light.

There is no doubt in my mind the there’s a giant gap between Vegeta and Jiren. Let’s establish this right now. Over the course of 40 hours we have seen fighters jump from being none competitive to God tier. It’s ridiculous, but it is what it is. We constantly have fighters “improving” while they fight. Now, I see no reason for Vegeta to not have a similar experience. Goku got pummeled, but he eventually ended up having a good showing when he developed UI. It is not unreasonable to think that when Vegeta has reached his limit, he could have a similar situation as Goku and unlock UI. They didn’t have the same method of going SSJ/SSB and surely they don’t need the same situation to attain UI.

Most people have a problem with the thought of Vegeta attaining/Showing glimpses of UI in this tournament, and that’s their deal. But as a Vegeta fan, you hope for the best possible showing. The best possible showing is Vegeta being pushed to his limits of power and awakening whatever. You don’t have to agree with it. I’m not gonna sit here and tell a Gohan or 17 fan that they shouldn’t be expecting such and such to happen because blah blah.

[perucho1990]

So how would you guys like if this arc ended with a final confrontation against the Grand Priest?

It would be too soon tbh, Save Grand Priest fight for 2019, otherwise U7 would need a bigger asspull than UI+Genkidama Trunks combined to defeat him.

Either Freeza or Jiren will win.

Thing is that if Freeza wins then Jiren will be erased and I doubt Toriyama will go that way with Jiren..

[CJStriker_CBR]

What aren't you sure about? McRib the telechubby was pure E V I L.

We all Know Ribrianne/Brianne is Pure Good, we can never tell truly if that blast was amid at her or not in 102, but more importantly from episode 109/The Special Ribrianne lands near Jiren's feat and he does nothing to harm her, knowing fully that not only she not only good, but Jiren might have a crush on Brianne as well.


[spoiler][/spoiler]

I was not expecting that fanart. That's just glourious

That was MY 1st reaction exactly when I saw it for the 1st time Thanks to Spider-Man!

Honestly I can see this happening in the Anime down the line.

Glorious the Fanart is indeed, Now you Know Why Brianne is the Goddess on the Mountain-Top;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf8kvZxH_UU

[TheOne]

So how would you guys like if this arc ended with a final confrontation against the Grand Priest?

Sure. If Jiren, Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, Hit, Cafla all fused together and learned UI, I’m sure that might be worth watching. Lol

[sintzu]

It doesn't make sense that Vegeta's fans dislike Ep. 56 because their favourite character lost to Black.

Besides, Vegeta had his revenge on Black in ep. 63, Vegeta truly shined in ep. 63.

It does when he got one shot by him in their previous fight and when the manga made his first fight so much better. There was no reason to have him be taken out in one hit in their first fight then just stand around during their second one.

Only for Black to get some clones that required Goku's help.

I don't exactly see why anyone would have faith in Vegeta. His track record in Super provides no evidence that he's doing better then he did in Z.

Just like the Z era, every time Vegeta seems to finally catch some kind of break, to finally have made a breakthrough he gets the proverbial rug pulled out from under him ever time.

He's doing worse, a lot worse. If Vegeta was written like this in Z he wouldn't have nearly as many fans as he currently has.

Thank god that's not happening in the manga. In terms of Z, he most of the time got to really shine. Sure he didn't defeat any main villain but that doesn't take away from everything else he did.

[HeroR]

You can’t tell me that this arc has been showing Saiyans special attention. We even had a random trailer dedicated to the potential of all the Saiyanss and what not. This arc especially has been emphasizing how exceptional the Saiyans are.

He’s putting his pride on the line by not standing by in fear of an unbeatable opponent. What’s he supposed to do, dodge Jiren like Frieza does? That’s the opposite of him as a charachter. He’s meeting the challenge head on and fighting. I’m just hoping something good comes of it.

I know you and I have already spoken about this, but this is mainly for the people who keep talking smack about how stupid Vegeta is being. When its really not. Him and Jiren would have to clash at some point. Would you rather it be because he hunts you down or confront the boogeyman on your own terms?

Battle of Gods was all about the Saiyans and Super Saiyan God.

Resurrection 'F' was about the Saiyans with Freeza wanting revenge against them, specifically Goku and Trunks.

Champa Saga introduced us to the U6 Saiyans.

Future Trunks Saga had Zamasu steal a Saiyan body and grow stronger from it and even praised the Saiyans for having the bodies of the gods since they grow stronger from being hurt.

Everyone arc in Super has focused on the Saiyans on some extent. This arc only seems different because there are more Saiyans to focus on.

That is kinda assumption since we don't know what Vegeta is staking his pride on. Also, Hit said he was stalking his pride on keeping Jiren busy. He meets a challenged head on the Buu Saga too against Kid Buu.

Vegeta was stupid in 112 since Jiren wasn't doing anything and he still tried to fight him and we know for a fact that he didn't have UI then. Heck, he didn't even get the realization of what Goku did until 116. So yes, Vegeta was stupid in this arc, but Toppo actually saved his butt.

Vegeta has a high chance to not be elim'd because of Toshio's tweet. It's a shame we've been spoiled that though.

If Jiren spares him like he did Kale and Goku then this will be seriously anticlimatic.

All Toshio's tweet said was that he wrote a 'cool moment' for Vegeta, not a 'cool episode'. Toshio wrote 121 and Vegeta's cool moment can easily be in tomorrow's episode.

[HeroR]

Goku:
Goku had to be saved vs Android 19
Too weak to beat Perfect Cell
Needed Spirit Bomb energy to beat Kid Buu
Lost Beerus
Whis did temporal Do Over to help goku beat freeza
Quit against Hit but was in a disadvantage even before that
Zeno had to erase Zamasu
Already Jobbed to Jiren with UI
What’s next

The Whis temporal Do Over was Vegeta's fault for not killing Freeza, which end up killing him.

And Goku didn't job to Jiren with UI since that is like saying Golden Freeza jobbed to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku because his stamina ran out. Again, stop using the word job if you don't know what it means.

Goku:
-Got godstomp by great ape Vegeta
-Knocked out by Majin Vegeta(how pathetic)
-Goku had to be saved vs Android 19
-Too weak to beat Perfect Cell
Needed Spirit Bomb energy to beat Kid Buu
-Lost Beerus
-Whis did temporal Do Over to help goku beat freeza
-Even with a rage boost he still gets owned by black
-Got outperform by trunks
-Quit against Hit but was in a disadvantage even before that
Zeno had to erase Zamasu
-Already Jobbed to Jiren with UI
What’s next

This is too easy. You really did asked for this:

Goku forced Vegeta to go Great Ape after he lost a beam struggle. Even more, Vegeta was going to blow up the planet despite being unable to survived in space, so he was basically killing himself too just to beat Goku.

Goku and Vegeta called a truce so they could beat Majin Buu, while Goku was going for a Senzu to heal both of them, Vegeta knocked him out. Even more, Goku could have ended that fight any time he wanted with Super Saiyan 3 and he didn't because he pitied Vegeta, which hurt Vegeta more than Goku simply beating him

And Vegeta was also too weak to beat Cell and nearly got himself killed so Gohan had to save him, which broke his arm, given Cell the advantage when Super Saiyan 2 Gohan still could have wiped Cell.

Everyone lost to Beerus and Goku gave the best fight in the bunch.

Vegeta couldn't beat Black despite having a power advantage and got held up by Black's clones. And Vegeta got out performed by Trunks too.

Vegeta got destroyed by Hit and didn't even get a hit in. And that was before Hit improved.

Zamasu was everyone's failure, including Vegeta who couldn't help Trunks save his world or avenge his future timeline wife.

I've already addressed how you used the word 'job' wrong in regards to UI.

In short, everything you named about Goku, Vegeta performed worst. So you're argument is that Goku sucks, and I can easily say 'yeah, but Vegeta sucks even more'.

[Jigurashi]

I don't exactly see why anyone would have faith in Vegeta. His track record in Super provides no evidence that he's doing better then he did in Z.

Beerus Arc - Becomes more powerful then SS3 Goku but is still an insect to Beerus and gets outpaced by SSG.

F Arc - Gets stronger then Goku thanks to Whis but Goku quickly catchs up. Only beats up Frieza due to his stamina issue, in a strait fight he's have bean just as badly as Goku was, has Frieza blow the planet up in his face and gets saved by Whis and Goku.

Champa Arc - While he has a good few brawls he's completely curbstomped by the only U6 warriors on his and Goku's level.

Black Arc - Spends the majority of the arc getting the raw end of every asskicking and when he finally dose power up enough to beat up Black and make his big speech, Black power in the very next episode to the point that he's confident he can hold up Goku and Vegeta by himself which completely hamstrings any weight all Vegeta's efforts had and make him look like loud mouth fool. Then just to really twist the knife despite all his and everyone's efforts, while Zamasu is defeated, Trunk's entire timeline and universe is left in ruins with no way to fix it.

Just like the Z era, every time Vegeta seems to finally catch some kind of break, to finally have made a breakthrough he gets the proverbial rug pulled out from under him ever time. It's not done with quit the same level of savage disrespect it had in the old days but nothings changed.

Like Hit he'll do some knew little trick that will ether inconvenience Jiren or there will be some big explosion and everyone will wonder "Did he finally do it?!". Then reality will come crashing down in the form of Jiren's fist.

This outcome is likely.

Well, he did want to eliminate Ribrianne in 102 if not for Vegeta attacking her first, so I'm not sure about that.

What aren't you sure about? McRib the telechubby was pure E V I L.

We all Know Ribrianne/Brianne is Pure Good, we can never tell truly if that blast was amid at her or not in 102, but more importantly from episode 109/The Special Ribrianne lands near Jiren's feat and he does nothing to harm her, knowing fully that not only she not only good, but Jiren might have a crush on Brianne as well.

Brianne X Jiren? I'd ship it lol. Legit would not mind a SoL episode about these two.

[sintzu]

Goku forced Vegeta to go Great Ape after he lost a beam struggle.

Yajirobe hurt Goku just by touching him so had Vegeta known that he wouldn't have transformed into that. Goku definitely won the beam stuggle but in doing so sacrificed his body.

[HeroR]

Goku forced Vegeta to go Great Ape after he lost a beam struggle.

Yajirobe hurt Goku just by touching him so had Vegeta known that he wouldn't have transformed into that. Goku definitely but in doing so sacrificed his body.

Yeah, but Vegeta didn't know that since he couldn't sense ki. So from Vegeta's POV, he was 'forced' into it when he really didn't need it.

[sintzu]

Yeah, but Vegeta didn't know that since he couldn't sense ki. So from Vegeta's POV, he was 'forced' into it when he really didn't need it.

The fact of the matter is he didn't need it, regardless of what he thought. If we know he didn't need it then why bother bringing it up ?

[Freeza9000]

It doesn't make sense that Vegeta's fans dislike Ep. 56 because their favourite character lost to Black.

Besides, Vegeta had his revenge on Black in ep. 63, Vegeta truly shined in ep. 63.

It does when he got one shot by him in their previous fight and when the manga made his first fight so much better. There was no reason to have him be taken out in one hit in their first fight then just stand around during their second one.

Only for Black to get some clones that required Goku's help.

And there's no reason to have one of the main antagonists of the arc job that early.

[dragon boss z]

Goku:
-Got godstomp by great ape Vegeta
-Knocked out by Majin Vegeta(how pathetic)
-Goku had to be saved vs Android 19
-Too weak to beat Perfect Cell
Needed Spirit Bomb energy to beat Kid Buu
-Lost Beerus
-Whis did temporal Do Over to help goku beat freeza
-Even with a rage boost he still gets owned by black
-Got outperform by trunks
-Quit against Hit but was in a disadvantage even before that
Zeno had to erase Zamasu
-Already Jobbed to Jiren with UI
What’s next

Frieza made Vegeta cry