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verto wrote:What really confuses me is people asking for Kamehameha to be pronounced correctly, from watching the dub, to watching Kai and some of the Japanese dub, I haven't noticed a difference.
I honestly don't understand that one either. To me the pronunciation sounds the same in both English and Japanese. Can someone explain?verto wrote:What really confuses me is people asking for Kamehameha to be pronounced correctly, from watching the dub, to watching Kai and some of the Japanese dub, I haven't noticed a difference.
Yes.Piccolo Daimao wrote: Heh. So I've been saying Kaio-Ken wrong for all these years.
So, to clarify...
The first part of "Kaiô-Ken" is pronounced like how you would say the "Kai" in "King Kai", or "lie", right?
Perhaps it is because they sometimes said Ka-maya-maya when referring to the move? At least from what I remember they did.verto wrote:What really confuses me is people asking for Kamehameha to be pronounced correctly, from watching the dub, to watching Kai and some of the Japanese dub, I haven't noticed a difference.
This is the supposition I object to.SSVegetto wrote:that most people like.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
That's dumb. All they'd have to do is just emphasize the 'S' sound instead of a 'Z' sound. "JheeSe."fig404 wrote:Well, I know that they intentionally changed "Jheeze" to "Jeice" to sound like "juice", even though that doesn't match the dairy theme. (I'm guessing they thought his name was too similar to the expression "Jeez", which is short for "Jesus" and would therefore lead to unfortunate calls from parents.)
This is going to be difficult for me...But, what were the name changes they did to Bardock's crew, exactly?
The emphasis is supposed to be on the 'Ku' part, but FUNi puts it on the 'Go' part. Kind of a minor nitpick, if you ask me.SSVegetto wrote:Another thing that confuses me is "Goku". Since sometimes Goku in the Japanese audio is pronounced just Goku sometimes, and then sometimes its pronounced Gokuwahahah or something. Yet people complain about Funimation pronouncing Goku wrong.
When they say it quickly, it kinda sounds like that, but I've always taken it as just a soft H sound and been perfectly happy with it.Makaioshin wrote:Perhaps it is because they sometimes said Ka-maya-maya when referring to the move? At least from what I remember they did.verto wrote:What really confuses me is people asking for Kamehameha to be pronounced correctly, from watching the dub, to watching Kai and some of the Japanese dub, I haven't noticed a difference.
Not from my experience. Most American anime fans respect DBZ as a classic and are greatful for the show getting them into anime.penguintruth wrote:This is the supposition I object to.
Many, if not most, general anime fans see the DBZ dub as a joke, in my experience. Maybe in the English-speaking DBZ fan community, folks are more inclined towards the dub, but out in the big anime community, which I've been in for about as long, you get quite a different reaction.
Gozar wrote:I'm sorry but this has to be said. It just dawned on me. I've been debating DragonBall related matters online since 2004. So 6 years now. I've debated these very same voice related things year after year. And I know many people hear have been doing the same for longer.
Hasn't this gotten out of hand?
Isn't it kind of pathetic?
And don't say "This is a Forum meant for discussing DragonBall things" because that's obvious.
What I wanna ask is...How long can people hold such resentment for the Dub? This goes beyond difference in opinion. Some people are just downright nasty. Not only to their fellow fan. But to the actors as people.
Is it really necesarry for the EXACT SAME DISCUSSIONS to come up time and time again.
Whether people choose to believe it or not. This is all purely opinion. Which voice is more suiting on a character will never be a fact. Masako Nozawa will never be the best Goku. Sean Schemmel will never be the best Goku. All that will even be certain is what each induvidual feels. Yet still after all this time. Bickering and pure idiocy over what? Freeza sounds like a lizard? Goku's voiced by a woman?
I realize these debates will never cease. But does everything have to be taken to the extreme? Must every post that has a differing opinion be met by either flame or sarcasm? Because it always gets to that. What may start out as a civil and lively discussion always winds up like that once each side said everything it has to say.
Well...I don't really know what's gonna come my way after saying this. But regardless, I'm glad I did.
But plenty of sub fans would PREFER to watch it dubbed instead of subbed, but can't because of the poor dubbing...SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:Here's my stance on everything pertaining to the voice acting. Personally I think it was smart to keep the voices that English fans are familiar with because at the end of the day how many original fans are going to even bother checking out the dub, and then from that, how many of you are going to follow the dubbed version all the way through? The Dub fans(myself included) are Funimations bread and butter and as such I think they should cater to their tastes. I don't think Sub fans should be excluded, that's just not fair, but Funimation isn't excluding you, you still get your voice actors of choice with the subs.
What are you trying to say? You're saying you don't want a split fanbase? I don't think VegettoEX wants a split fanbase either. Who would? FUNimation DID split the fanbase when they created such a poor dub of DBZ. What a lot of DBZ fans want is a proper dub, just like any other one of FUNimation's titles gets.SSVegetto wrote:What decisions so far? Why is it just the fans of the Japanese dub want to see something interesting? Why do people always segregate the people that also like the English dub to not having a valid opinion enough to want something cool also? Seriously what decisions so far make these fans so mad that they think they aren't trying hard enough to make it faithful to what they want? Why even separate the fan base? This just drives me nuts when someone always separates the fan bases.VegettoEX wrote:Fans of the Japanese version see Z Kai as one last attempt at even being remotely interested in watching what we see as an accurate and faithful dub of the series ('cuz, hey... wouldn't that be neat?!)... and yet many of the decisions so far, at least in the eyes of these fans, fly right in the face of that opportunity.
That's how I wish they'd done it, honestly.Kaboom wrote:That's dumb. All they'd have to do is just emphasize the 'S' sound instead of a 'Z' sound. "JheeSe."
Wow, I didn't even know about those names. I've been referring to them as their Japanese names in my head. (Not that I refer to them that often)Kaboom wrote: Tora -> "Toma"
Selypa -> "Fasha"
Totepo -> "Sugesh"
Panbkin -> "Boros," or something.
I guess "Sugesh" is close to squash or something, but still pointless and dumb changes all around. I'm nearly convinced that they had almost nothing to go on as for a script to translate for the Bardock special, so they must have just made it all up based on what they saw, including their own character names.
Buuuut this isn't a Bardock-centric thread, particularly...
I thought it was the heavy plot-holes and contradictions in the franchise that kept the discussions going.Innagadadavida wrote:Split fanbase keeps this place alive. If it were sunshine and sugar hills all the time this forum would be long dead.
Yin and Yang, my friends. Yin and motherfucking Yang.
Kaboom wrote: Tora -> "Toma"
Selypa -> "Fasha"
Totepo -> "Sugesh"
Panbkin -> "Boros," or something.
Yes, I don't want a split fanbase. I just see anyone here that likes DBZ is just a fan of DBZ, not a separate fan of anything. If they prefer Japanese dub over the English dub, I still don't call them a Japanese fan of the show. If they prefer the English dub over the Japanese dub, I don't call them a English dub fan of the show. They are just a fan of DBZ period. Why separate the two because of Funimation's script? It's just people's preferences.linkdude20002001 wrote:What are you trying to say? You're saying you don't want a split fanbase? I don't think VegettoEX wants a split fanbase either. Who would? FUNimation DID split the fanbase when they created such a poor dub of DBZ. What a lot of DBZ fans want is a proper dub, just like any other one of FUNimation's titles gets.SSVegetto wrote:What decisions so far? Why is it just the fans of the Japanese dub want to see something interesting? Why do people always segregate the people that also like the English dub to not having a valid opinion enough to want something cool also? Seriously what decisions so far make these fans so mad that they think they aren't trying hard enough to make it faithful to what they want? Why even separate the fan base? This just drives me nuts when someone always separates the fan bases.VegettoEX wrote:Fans of the Japanese version see Z Kai as one last attempt at even being remotely interested in watching what we see as an accurate and faithful dub of the series ('cuz, hey... wouldn't that be neat?!)... and yet many of the decisions so far, at least in the eyes of these fans, fly right in the face of that opportunity.
Uh, because the script changes make it a different show.SSVegetto wrote:Why separate the two because of Funimation's script?
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
It's two different versions, with different fanbases. Not completely separate fanbases, but there's a difference nonetheless. The fanbase IS split, whether you talk about it as such or not.SSVegetto wrote:Yes, I don't want a split fanbase. I just see anyone here that likes DBZ is just a fan of DBZ, not a separate fan of anything. If they prefer Japanese dub over the English dub, I still don't call them a Japanese fan of the show. If they prefer the English dub over the Japanese dub, I don't call them a English dub fan of the show. They are just a fan of DBZ period. Why separate the two because of Funimation's script? It's just people's preferences.
That's where I disagree. To me it's the same show. Nothing has changed, the plot is still the same, the characters are still the hero's. The actions are still the same. The video is uncut. They still do the exact same thing. I agree the script is not always accurate, but not to a degree that the actual plot is different. So all in all, in both the Japanese dub and English dub I still see the same show.penguintruth wrote:Uh, because the script changes make it a different show.SSVegetto wrote:Why separate the two because of Funimation's script?
At least with Kai, it might not.
They aren't ignoring Toriyama's script, as he doesn't write the anime. They're ignoring a script which is adapted from Toriyama's work. :plinkdude20002001 wrote:Because it wasn't dubbed properly. If it were dubbed at the level of any other FUNi title, then this problem would not exist. By making weird casting decisions, ignoring Toriyama's script and writing their own, replacing the music so they could earn extra bucks, et cetera, they created a new show. A "reversioning" as FUNimation calls it.
She/Her Don't forget to take your estrogen! No.SSVegetto wrote:the characters are still the hero's.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
Filler and extended scenes aside, isn't the script the same as the comic?JulieYBM wrote:They aren't ignoring Toriyama's script, as he doesn't write the anime. They're ignoring a script which is adapted from Toriyama's work. :plinkdude20002001 wrote:Because it wasn't dubbed properly. If it were dubbed at the level of any other FUNi title, then this problem would not exist. By making weird casting decisions, ignoring Toriyama's script and writing their own, replacing the music so they could earn extra bucks, et cetera, they created a new show. A "reversioning" as FUNimation calls it.
