Things that grind your gears

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Marty Kirra » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:29 am

What I meant was that the revelation of Goku Black and Zamasu's relationship, at the time they most likely recorded, was not known. Given how early Goku Black was put into XV2, I doubt DIMPS really knew that much either. So when it comes to voice direction, I doubt Funimation had much to go off of other than "Evil Goku", and making a deeper, gruffer Goku voice is probably what I would do if "Evil Goku" was my only direction. I don't think Goku Black or Hit's English vocal performances in this game will be indicative of their direction in Super.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:42 am

When people judge Superman's worth as a character based on Goku's criteria. They were not meant to convey the same message, they are not meant to serve the same function in spite of being really powerful, alien beings, so stop saying Superman sucks because "He's too OP! He doesn't train and work for it!".

He's not meant to work for them, he's meant to have them at his disposal to fight against enemies who physically, mentally or philosophically challenge him. Those powers are his gift and his curse. You can prefer Goku or dislike Superman, God knows I'm not a fan of either of them, but to say one character sucks because he doesn't fit the criteria of a completely other one is beyond obnoxious.

That's like saying Spider-Man sucks because he's not Saitama or that Batman sucks because he's not the Punisher.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by dbs fanboy » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:40 pm

- The use of the word "fan fiction" just because you don't like something. Seriously, a lot of fans do this.
Some say, GT was a fanfic but then starts praising things like the Bardock special like if they were canon.

-The fact that when someone has a different opinion, the other hates him/her. For example, once someone said in the comment section, "i dislike super" and a lot of people started insulting him calling him a hater or things like that, then in other comment section, one said "i think that super is bad" then someone said, "huh, in my opinion is pretty awesome" and suddenly someone replied saying "only 7 years old retarded fa****s could think that super is awesome.

- Potential wasted.I'm talking about those times where Toei/Toriyama could have done something great but they fuck it up.

-The spreading of misinformation. As someone who was pretty much misinformed in a lot of things about the franchise, once i learn the truth, i hated to see these kind of things spreading this fast, and what's worse is that as much as you try to help and stop it, it never ends.
I really miss ma boy, Black :( :cry:


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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:39 pm

I dislike when people on here break up someone's post and reply line by line. Luckily that practice has died down recently here but it was bad for a while.

I also dislike this "fixed" thing I've started seeing recently pop up here time to time. Where someone would replace a word and reply with fixed in an attempt to be funny I guess. I don't understand the point of it, it's dumb and disrespectful.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Bansho64 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:53 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I dislike when people on here break up someone's post and reply line by line. Luckily that practice has died down recently here but it was bad for a while.
How is this a bad thing? You're replying to each point to state your position on each one you disagree with. It also makes things neater.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I also dislike this "fixed" thing I've started seeing recently pop up here time to time. Where someone would replace a word and reply with fixed in an attempt to be funny I guess. I don't understand the point of it, it's dumb and disrespectful.
This one, I kind of agree with. It depends on the person and what you're replacing their post with it.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Cipher » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:21 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I also dislike this "fixed" thing I've started seeing recently pop up here time to time. Where someone would replace a word and reply with fixed in an attempt to be funny I guess. I don't understand the point of it, it's dumb and disrespectful.
Yeah, I hate this too. It's never half as clever as they think it is, if they think it's one-half clever at all.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:52 pm

It's a minor nitpick but any time I see people insist that Schemmel be replaced for North Kai for Doc Morgan. And I think I know why, too. It's just because Jōji Yanami is both the narrator and North Kai so that MUST mean that Morgan has to follow suit, right? Just...why? Just because the original version did it doesn't mean that the FUNi dub has to follow suit.

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Post by Bansho64 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:02 pm

Lunatic Fringe wrote:It's a minor nitpick but any time I see people insist that Schemmel be replaced for North Kai for Doc Morgan. And I think I know why, too. It's just because Jōji Yanami is both the narrator and North Kai so that MUST mean that Morgan has to follow suit, right? Just...why? Just because the original version did it doesn't mean that the FUNi dub has to follow suit.
Nah, I think it has more to do with Schemmel's Kaioh sounding like he has a frog in his throat.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by precita » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:03 pm

Schemmel's King Kai sounded better in the ancient Season 3 dub than he does now. I seriously have no idea how that happened.

His King Kai is the only voice to get consistently worse from the old 1999 Season 3 dub.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:09 pm

precita wrote:Schemmel's King Kai sounded better in the ancient Season 3 dub than he does now. I seriously have no idea how that happened.

His King Kai is the only voice to get consistently worse from the old 1999 Season 3 dub.
A lot of people have a similar sentiment about Trunks.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:13 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
Lunatic Fringe wrote:It's a minor nitpick but any time I see people insist that Schemmel be replaced for North Kai for Doc Morgan. And I think I know why, too. It's just because Jōji Yanami is both the narrator and North Kai so that MUST mean that Morgan has to follow suit, right? Just...why? Just because the original version did it doesn't mean that the FUNi dub has to follow suit.
Nah, I think it has more to do with Schemmel's Kaioh sounding like he has a frog in his throat.
It's not him getting replaced that slightly irks me. It's the choice of Doc Morgan doing it that makes me scratch my head. I mean, is it vital that the narrator has to be North Kai?

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Bansho64 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:16 pm

Lunatic Fringe wrote: It's not him getting replaced that slightly irks me. It's the choice of Doc Morgan doing it that makes me scratch my head. I mean, is it vital that the narrator has to be North Kai?
I hoenstly don't think it has anything to do with him being a narrator. I think it's got more to do with Doc having a deep and warm sort of "grandfathery" voice that a lot of people feel would be a good fit for Kaioh.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by precita » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:19 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote: A lot of people have a similar sentiment about Trunks.
In that case its probably due to the voice acting literally aging 15 years in real life since the Cell saga dub in the year 2000.

King Kai's voice is a very specific "cartoonish" voice that Schemmel uses, so there's no reason for it to get worse. I imagine Trunks voice was just the actor trying to voice what he thought a young polite teen Saiyan should sound like.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:27 am

dbgtFO wrote:
Bansho64 wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote: But when you get to the point you blatantly ignore the author telling you "this is how it's spelled" by having her wear a shirt with her name on it, it's fucking annoying.
I'm not gonna write a long essay about why I don't have a problem with it, it's freaking 2 am, so I'm just gonna recommend you watch this video. Mr Fusion explains everything about the name in the first couple of minutes pretty well.
Yeah sure, but Toriyama is under no obligation to follow other people's personal preference for how one of his characters' name should be written.
If he wants her name to be Bulma, then it's fucking Bulma, no matter if it contradicts other people's logic on how to write it in english or stick it closer to the pun or whatever.
That ain't his problem.
You know, maybe you both have a point. Maybe we should pay attention to the spellings Toriyama uses on characters' clothes. Like this one:

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Also, the Red Ribon Army called. They want your consistency. :wink:
Sailor Haumea wrote:And yet people outright change the name - a name that already has an official translation - to something they think is "better".

I take no issue with Kuririn/Krillin.
It does rather amuse me that you place those two sentences back to back. You think that it's wrong to change a name that officially appears on characters' clothes... yet you're okay with "Krillin." Hey, I have no problem with Krillin. It's not what I use, but I have no problem with it. But by your own logic, it should annoy you because Toriyama has personally rendered his name as "Kuririn" and later as "Kulilin" but certainly never as "Krillin." Someone outright changed the name to something they thought was better! Right?
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Post by dbgtFO » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:20 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:You know, maybe you both have a point. Maybe we should pay attention to the spellings Toriyama uses on characters' clothes. Like this one:

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Also, the Red Ribon Army called. They want your consistency. :wink:
This is good. Finally some proper evidence instead of the same old tired arguments and I did recall Toriyama writing her name like that, just could not recall the source, but good to finally have it to confirm for myself.
It is official, "Blooma" is just as valid as "Bulma" after all!

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:47 am

dbgtFO wrote:This is good. Finally some proper evidence instead of the same old tired arguments and I did recall Toriyama writing her name like that, just could not recall the source, but good to finally have it to confirm for myself.
It is official, "Blooma" is just as valid as "Bulma" after all!
Well, I have to get this in before someone assumes I'm trying to pull the wool over your eyes. It's a bit difficult to make out, but I am pretty sure that's rendered as straight up "Bloomers" rather than "Blooma." Just want to make sure you know, as much as it pains me.

But while it's nice to see that Toriyama may or may not be realizing that "Bulma" was not the best Anglicizing of "buruma" (for all we know, maybe he forgot he rendered it that way in the first place, started over from scratch, and it popped out "Bloomers" this time), I still stand by the point that authors rendering information in their non-native language shouldn't necessarily be taken as sacrosanct. Now ブルマ? You're never going to hear me dispute that. That is her name. That is a truer rendition of her name than you're ever going to see. Anything and everything else is just an interpretation. But what about Red Ribon? And Yajirove? And Gokuh? And Kuririn AND Kulilin (they can't both be the definitive way to spell his name in English)? Hey, if I've forgotten your preferences and you actually do adhere strictly to Toriyama's English spellings, then, while I don't agree with it, I respect the consistency. But most English-speaking fans don't while still taking umbrage over anything that's not "Bulma." And I have no problem with "Bulma" either. But it makes about as much sense as calling her son Tolnks or her daugher... well, Bulla. And, yes, I do get that "Bulma" is displayed more prominently and more frequently than most of the other examples (but then again, I don't recall anybody having a meltdown during the Freeza Arc when baldy wore his "Kulilin" hat for multiple episodes in a row). So that's what grinds my gears. Not that people don't hop on board with my opinion. But just the fact that they will use the "non-Toriyama name" as justification to feeling such ire but who are more than willing to accept plenty of other non-Toriyama spellings or just crap that FUNimation pulled out of their asses that have absolutely no connection to the original name at all.
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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by HybridSaiyan » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:05 pm

The old-school artwork isn't used anymore. :(
I miss the old Toriyama style because it actually feels like Dragon Ball.

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It's so hard finding posters for your room with this art now. All I see is the polished digital art, which I don't favor. D:

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:16 pm

HybridSaiyan wrote:The old-school artwork isn't used anymore. :(
I miss the old Toriyama style because it actually feels like Dragon Ball.

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It's so hard finding posters for your room with this art now. All I see is the polished digital art, which I don't favor. D:
Not much you can do about that. Art styles always evolve in one significant way or another. Especially in regards to long running anime and/or manga.

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Re: Things that grind your gears

Post by HybridSaiyan » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:28 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:The old-school artwork isn't used anymore. :(
I miss the old Toriyama style because it actually feels like Dragon Ball.

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It's so hard finding posters for your room with this art now. All I see is the polished digital art, which I don't favor. D:
Not much you can do about that. Art styles always evolve in one significant way or another. Especially in regards to long running anime and/or manga.
I know man. Do you know anywhere I could buy large posters with the original art style? I can't seem to find them at all.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:30 pm

HybridSaiyan wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
HybridSaiyan wrote:The old-school artwork isn't used anymore. :(
I miss the old Toriyama style because it actually feels like Dragon Ball.

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It's so hard finding posters for your room with this art now. All I see is the polished digital art, which I don't favor. D:
Not much you can do about that. Art styles always evolve in one significant way or another. Especially in regards to long running anime and/or manga.
I know man. Do you know anywhere I could buy large posters with the original art style? I can't seem to find them at all.
Can't help you with that buddy. Sorry.

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