"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

Is it perhaps because there is a decent chance that Vegeta will get eliminated ? Is that why you guys are on the attack on anyone who says so?

He is going to get eliminated, that's something we've known from day one. We're not going after anyone for saying that but we're pointing out that people have been saying at the start of every arc how Vegeta won't do anything only for the opposite to happen. Now that he's in the final 8 you're saying all those prediction were just to get a reacton out of his fans ? come on.

I've been vocal about wanting Vegeta to do more so I'm not saying he's been handled perfectly but he's nowhere near as bad as some have said he'd turn out.

[Olympian]

This episode was good. Something like this would be cooler to have as a two part segment than some three-four episodes of a same same we`ve had. At least it takes some focus out of Goku and let others also fight.

Freeza with that Sailor Moon transformation and the five with that Captain Planet rainbow attack

Goku hasn't has a lot of focused since 118. In fact, this episode is the most Goku has done in awhile.

I know, I like that. We already know he`s getting main focus again when he`s the last man standing with Jiren. Until then, let others get the focus instead.

[FortuneSSJ]

Thats not true,Frost did not eliminate Roshi,also Toei's website has the sniper Tien took down as Vegeta's elimination so take that as you will.

It was Frost's actions that led to Roshi eliminating himself.

After he did his third Mafuba, when in DB he wasn't able to do one without dying. And that doesn't change the fact Roshi jump off the arena by himself. That's like saying Anilaza eliminated C18, when she's the one that decided to go out.

Also worth mentioning Roshi in this arc is part of a 10 members team gathered with the "strongest" Universe 7 fighters.

[The_Destroyer]

Is it perhaps because there is a decent chance that Vegeta will get eliminated ? Is that why you guys are on the attack on anyone who says so?

He is going to get eliminated, that's something we've known from day one. We're not going after anyone for saying that but we're pointing out that people have been saying at the start of every arc how Vegeta won't do anything only for the opposite to happen. Now that he's in the final 8 you're saying all those prediction were just to get a reacton out of his fans ? come on.

I've been vocal about wanting Vegeta to do more so I'm not saying he's been handled perfectly but he's nowhere near as bad as some have said he'd turn out.

Are you saying that people legitmately believed Rebrianne would eliminate Vegeta? Because when I saw those predictions it was just from trolls who wanted to get rise out of people.

And when did I say Vegeta didn't do anything?

[sintzu]

Are you saying that people legitmately believed Rebrianne would eliminate Vegeta?

And when did I say Vegeta didn't do anything?

Yes, there were a good amount who really thought he'd go out like that.

I'm speaking in general.

[TheOne]

Do you even realize why people say stuff like "Vegeta will go out to rebrianne"? It's just bait to get responses like this.

Sure.

I guess it's a win-win situation, if something you say comes true you say "I told you so" and if it doesn't you say "it's just bait to see what you say".

I don't remember you guys getting this defensive back when people were saying that. Is it perhaps because there is a decent chance that Vegeta will get eliminated? Is that why you guys are on the attack on anyone who says so?

And I have no idea why you're going after me. I'm tired of U7 dominating and want another memeber to drop, preferably 17 or Vegeta. If Vegeta got eliminated, I would have just said "I'm glad he's out", although now I'm tempted to rub it in your faces if it does happen due to your responses.

If you don’t understand why U7 is performing so well, then your knowledge of the dragon ball universe is questionable.

[The_Destroyer]

Sure.

I guess it's a win-win situation, if something you say comes true you say "I told you so" and if it doesn't you say "it's just bait to see what you say".

I don't remember you guys getting this defensive back when people were saying that. Is it perhaps because there is a decent chance that Vegeta will get eliminated? Is that why you guys are on the attack on anyone who says so?

And I have no idea why you're going after me. I'm tired of U7 dominating and want another memeber to drop, preferably 17 or Vegeta. If Vegeta got eliminated, I would have just said "I'm glad he's out", although now I'm tempted to rub it in your faces if it does happen due to your responses.

If you don’t understand why U7 is performing so well, then your knowledge of the dragon ball universe is questionable.

So wanting more tension in an arc means I don't anything about Dragonball? Okay

[Noah]

If you don’t understand why U7 is performing so well, then your knowledge of the dragon ball universe is questionable.

So wanting more tension in an arc means I don't anything about Dragonball? Okay

My thoughts as well. Just because Universe 7 are the protagonists it doesn't mean we expected them to overcome everybody else with little to no difficulty. Up to now the Tournament of Power didn't felt like a big challenge to the likes of U7.

[dbs fanboy]

Then much more interesting, i can feel the tension just by imagining it (fuck the hole EoZ thing, if the scenes are well handled tension can still be delivered).

Would you believe U7 was actually in danger even without EOZ?

With Jiren in the tournament, yeah. Hell ep 121 is a good example of an episode capable of delivering tension, and ep 110 almost made me fell for the idea of Goku dying even thought i knew that was imposible, due to him receiving a new form.

[HeroR]

After he did his third Mafuba, when in DB he wasn't able to do one without dying. And that doesn't change the fact Roshi jump off the arena by himself. That's like saying Anilaza eliminated C18, when she's the one that decided to go out.

Also worth mentioning Roshi in this arc is part of a 10 members team gathered with the "strongest" Universe 7 fighters.

As awesome as he was in this arc, to say it's the best Roshi is stretching it, Imo. To me, Roshi was at his best when he was training Goku and Krillin and the 21st tournament. It was a giant showcase why he was the strongest man in the world. He also deserved points for making the unstoppable Demon King Piccolo nearly piss himself in terror.

With Jiren in the tournament, yeah. Hell ep 121 is a good example of an episode capable of delivering tension, and ep 110 almost made me fell for the idea of Goku dying even thought i knew that was imposible, due to him receiving a new form.

What tension in 121? And you honestly think that they would erased U7 forever if they lost this tournament?

[darzap]

What tension in 121? And you honestly think that they would erased U7 forever if they lost this tournament?

That logic can be applied to pretty much any episode of any show ever. You don't expect the protagonists to die in a show.

[Alruneia]

Are you saying that people legitmately believed Rebrianne would eliminate Vegeta?

Yes, there were a good amount who really thought he'd go out like that.

I don't understand how people can even pretend like that wasn't a widespread theory. It was the Ribrianne vs Vegeta scene in the intro coupled with the ending at the time showing a potential elimination order in which Vegeta was third. Tons of people legitimately believed that this would happen before Roshi was eliminated, proving the theory wrong.

[kinisking]

If you don’t understand why U7 is performing so well, then your knowledge of the dragon ball universe is questionable.

So wanting more tension in an arc means I don't anything about Dragonball? Okay

My thoughts as well. Just because Universe 7 are the protagonists it doesn't mean we expected them to overcome everybody else with little to no difficulty. Up to now the Tournament of Power didn't felt like a big challenge to the likes of U7.

Roshi, piccolo, Tien and Krillin got eliminated. Gohan, 18, Goku, and Vegeta almost got eliminated before this. Just because they didn't get brutally best down ( Gohan , Goku and Piccolo did ) doesn't mean they weren't challenged.

[dbs fanboy]

After he did his third Mafuba, when in DB he wasn't able to do one without dying. And that doesn't change the fact Roshi jump off the arena by himself. That's like saying Anilaza eliminated C18, when she's the one that decided to go out.

Also worth mentioning Roshi in this arc is part of a 10 members team gathered with the "strongest" Universe 7 fighters.

As awesome as he was in this arc, to say it's the best Roshi is stretching it, Imo. To me, Roshi was at his best when he was training Goku and Krillin and the 21st tournament. It was a giant showcase why he was the strongest man in the world. He also deserved points for making the unstoppable Demon King Piccolo nearly piss himself in terror.

With Jiren in the tournament, yeah. Hell ep 121 is a good example of an episode capable of delivering tension, and ep 110 almost made me fell for the idea of Goku dying even thought i knew that was imposible, due to him receiving a new form.

What tension in 121? And you honestly think that they would erased U7 forever if they lost this tournament?

#121 had tension in the sense that U7 was put on a corner and everyone had to work together to defeat the enemy. Aniraza was actually a real threat.
I wouldn't think they would be erased (forever) given the fact they are the main characters and this is still a kid's show, but if the scenes were well handled, i could quickly forget that.

[The_Destroyer]

Are you saying that people legitmately believed Rebrianne would eliminate Vegeta?

Yes, there were a good amount who really thought he'd go out like that.

I don't understand how people can even pretend like that wasn't a widespread theory. It was the Ribrianne vs Vegeta scene in the intro coupled with the ending at the time showing a potential elimination order in which Vegeta was third. Tons of people legitimately believed that this would happen before Roshi was eliminated, proving the theory wrong.

Oh please, it sounds like you guys you saw one or two comments saying this and acted like a whole bunch of people believed it.

Plus, there is a huge a difference between "Maybe Rebrianne eliminates Vegeta", which is a theory, and "Rebrianne will eliminate Vegeta", which is a prediction. It's more than likely you saw the former.

[precita]

People thought Ribrianne was going to be a lot stronger than she was, that's why. You're looking at this in retrospect after we saw how she was taken out. When the tournament first started and due to magazine scans we had no idea how strong she would be.

[TheSaiyanGod]

My thing is, people are basing too much on a visual display from a 30 second preview no less. Visually, Vegeta seems to be doing well enough given the circumstances, but people were saying the same things when the 111 preview showed Hit tagging Jiren where his heart is. Regardless, I definitely see this fight looking competitive for the most part until like near the end where Jiren takes the advantage and defeats Vegeta. Vegeta fighting Jiren at this point in the saga makes no sense if he was only just going to get destroyed completely.

In fact, Hitto was destroyed by Jiren throughout the preview of EP 111. Only in the end does he hit a punch and some people think he has a chance. But his performance, even in the preview, was poor.

In the preview of EP 122, Vegeta seems to be doing better against Jiren

They really didn't since even Blue Goku landed a hit on Jiren on 109 and we don't even know the context of Vegeta hitting him. I also don't see Goku and Vegeta not being equals as a bad thing, unlike most of this forum.

I think hoping for UI Vegeta is a pipe dream, but stranger things have happened.

Goku SSB did not hit any attack on Jiren, he needed to use Kaioken for it, and yet Jiren did not express any surprise with that, he acted like it was nothing.

Against Vegeta, Jiren seems to be having more work (we do not know why yet)

THIS. Just because Vegeta is shown to land a Kick doesnt mean anything. Even Pre UIO Goku made Jiren evade the Kamehameha.. [was surprised]

The difference is that apparently Jiren will need to defend the Final Flash. In EP 109 he just deviated from Goku's Kamehameha without much trouble.
He also seemed more concerned about Vegeta's attack

He did. He punched Jiren, Jiren block, and he went through a mountain. He also showed surprised over Blue Goku firing a Kamehameha.

That was the only blow that Goku hit in Jiren (it was with the Kaioken). But it had no effect

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Here, Goku pushed Jiren through several mountains, but still the U11 warrior defended that punch

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[HeroR]

What tension in 121? And you honestly think that they would erased U7 forever if they lost this tournament?

That logic can be applied to pretty much any episode of any show ever. You don't expect the protagonists to die in a show.

You haven't read Berserk have you or even HxH where a large number of the extended cast you got to like can die. Heck, even Attack on Titans, who will probably never kill the main trio, have no problem wiping its secondary characters.

The problem with Dragon Ball is that not only is the extend cast protected, but so are the secondary characters. Like, only the most minor characters are allowed to stay dead in Dragon Ball like the Elder Namek and 16.

#121 had tension in the sense that U7 was put on a corner and everyone had to work together to defeat the enemy. Aniraza was actually a real threat.
I wouldn't think they would be erased (forever) given the fact they are the main characters and this is still a kid's show, but if the scenes were well handled, i could quickly forget that.

The only concern and which character would be knockout. U7 was never in danger to losing to U3.

I guess I just don't buy into false tension, which is what Dragon Ball is build on. Like people were talking about how tense the Android/Cell Saga was and I never bought it, which is why it was refreshing Goku decided to stay dead....only for him to come back an arc later which tends to happen in this series.

That was the only blow that Goku hit in Jiren (it was with the Kaioken). But it had no effect

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Here, Goku pushed Jiren through several mountains, but still the U11 warrior defended that punch

[spoiler][/spoiler]

That second shots is after Goku flew in for the follow up. Jiren went flying after Goku's punch and Goku followed him to punch him again. Jiren also reacted more to Goku's Kamehameha in Blue, then the Kaioken.

[darzap]

You haven't read Berserk have you or even HxH where a large number of the extended cast you got to like can die. Heck, even Attack on Titans, who will probably never kill the main trio, have no problem wiping its secondary characters.

The problem with Dragon Ball is that not only is the extend cast protected, but so are the secondary characters. Like, only the most minor characters are allowed to stay dead in Dragon Ball like the Elder Namek and 16.

I'm obviously aware of shows that have important characters dying, but that's not the point here since the premise of the tournament is that the universes are erased and you'll almost never expect the whole main cast of a show to die. But death being pretty inconsequential on Dragon Ball is a common joke, but that applies to almost every episode of the whole series.

[Artorias]

I wonder ... we've pretty much seen 17's most badass moment, and next couple of eps we undoubtedly get Vegeta's. I wonder if this means that 17 and Vegeta are the next ones out.

Could Gohan outlast Vegeta?

I think that's all but certain to be honest, and I've thought that from the beginning. Vegeta has no real narrative presence in this arc, whereas Gohan is seemingly the secondary main character right now. I'd actually be shocked if Vegeta outlasted Gohan.