Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Big Momma » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:15 pm

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dbgtFO wrote:Also having read DBM the novel, I know Cell didn't outright destroy the Earth immediately after having won the beam struggle.
Wait, what..?
DBM is based off of a fanfic of Salagir's, IIRC.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:22 pm

Tenshinhan-san wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:Also having read DBM the novel, I know Cell didn't outright destroy the Earth immediately after having won the beam struggle.
Wait, what..?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:28 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:What are you talking about? Goku was spiritually supporting him throughout.
His image isn't behind him there like it was in the last page.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:33 pm

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Piccolo Daimao wrote:What are you talking about? Goku was spiritually supporting him throughout.
His image isn't behind him there like it was in the last page.
He couldn't fit into the panels...

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:40 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Didn't Cell say he was going to destroy the Earth with that Kamehameha anyway?
Well yeah, but Gohan unleashed all his power and didn't destroy the Earth, so I'd think the same applies to Cell potentially winning.

Also having read DBM the novel, I know Cell didn't outright destroy the Earth immediately after having won the beam struggle.
Gohan wasn't intending to destroy the Earth, though. His ki was focused on destroying Cell, and Cell only. Like how Vegeta didn't destroy the Earth with the Final Flash because it's focused on Cell and he diverted the beam away from Earth...or something like that. Cell was intending to destroy Gohan along with the Earth (and the solar system, if you believe it).

But if DBM has Cell not destroying the Earth immediately, then that's fine.
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Piccolo Daimao wrote:What are you talking about? Goku was spiritually supporting him throughout.
His image isn't behind him there like it was in the last page.
So Goku's image has to be behind Gohan 24/7 then? His image was in the first page, and we know (and see) that Goku was communicating to him through Kaio in the afterlife. Why would you believe that Goku suddenly stopped supporting his son?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:44 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Didn't Cell say he was going to destroy the Earth with that Kamehameha anyway?
Well yeah, but Gohan unleashed all his power and didn't destroy the Earth, so I'd think the same applies to Cell potentially winning.

Also having read DBM the novel, I know Cell didn't outright destroy the Earth immediately after having won the beam struggle.
Gohan was intending to destroy the Earth, though.
That bastard :lol:

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:46 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gohan was intending to destroy the Earth, though.
That bastard :lol:
:lol: My bad. I meant "wasn't".
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:57 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Didn't Cell say he was going to destroy the Earth with that Kamehameha anyway?
Well yeah, but Gohan unleashed all his power and didn't destroy the Earth, so I'd think the same applies to Cell potentially winning.

Also having read DBM the novel, I know Cell didn't outright destroy the Earth immediately after having won the beam struggle.
Gohan wasn't intending to destroy the Earth, though. His ki was focused on destroying Cell, and Cell only. Like how Vegeta didn't destroy the Earth with the Final Flash because it's focused on Cell and he diverted the beam away from Earth...or something like that. Cell was intending to destroy Gohan along with the Earth (and the solar system, if you believe it).

But if DBM has Cell not destroying the Earth immediately, then that's fine.
I think that Cell was going to destroy Earth until Gohan decided to face him (with the help of Goku's little speech to him).

Then, Cell directed his blast to Gohan, just like Gohan directed his blast to Cell.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:22 pm

rereboy wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gohan wasn't intending to destroy the Earth, though. His ki was focused on destroying Cell, and Cell only. Like how Vegeta didn't destroy the Earth with the Final Flash because it's focused on Cell and he diverted the beam away from Earth...or something like that. Cell was intending to destroy Gohan along with the Earth (and the solar system, if you believe it).

But if DBM has Cell not destroying the Earth immediately, then that's fine.
I think that Cell was going to destroy Earth until Gohan decided to face him (with the help of Goku's little speech to him).

Then, Cell directed his blast to Gohan, just like Gohan directed his blast to Cell.
Cell said he was going to destroy the Earth even before Gohan told Cell he'd given up.

But whatever. This is all minor stuff anyway.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Maphisto86 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:57 pm

I knew Gohan lacked confidence and was consumed by grief over his tragic mistake that led to his Dad's death . . . but this? I mean in a way it makes sense but I think that the way the comic is illustrated it makes Gohan's defeat by Cell too quick therefore making it look like the kid just gave up. I doubt he would have as Gohan's lack of confidence came from his fear of not living up to everyone's expectations of him. :( In this page it makes it out that Gohan just thinks "Screw it!" and let up. :|

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:37 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:So Goku's image has to be behind Gohan 24/7 then? His image was in the first page, and we know (and see) that Goku was communicating to him through Kaio in the afterlife. Why would you believe that Goku suddenly stopped supporting his son?
Not 24/7 but I don't remember him being there and then not being there during that particular moment in the fight. If I'm remembering correctly, his image was there for the last part of the beam struggle without any gaps in between. It's not a huge deal or anything but it is something I noticed.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Godo » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:19 pm

I frankly am not surprised if he did give up. I mean, we are speaking about the same guy who suddenly became a pacifist out of nowhere.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:27 pm

Godo wrote:I frankly am not surprised if he did give up. I mean, we are speaking about the same guy who suddenly became a pacifist out of nowhere.
Pretty much. He also gave up before even trying to counter Cell's Kamehameha, so I'm fine with it.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:51 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:So Goku's image has to be behind Gohan 24/7 then? His image was in the first page, and we know (and see) that Goku was communicating to him through Kaio in the afterlife. Why would you believe that Goku suddenly stopped supporting his son?
Not 24/7 but I don't remember him being there and then not being there during that particular moment in the fight. If I'm remembering correctly, his image was there for the last part of the beam struggle without any gaps in between. It's not a huge deal or anything but it is something I noticed.
Goku was still communicating with Gohan from the afterlife, therefore he was still supporting him. He wouldn't just stop supporting his son for no reason whatsoever. You don't need an image to know that.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:58 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:If I'm remembering correctly, his image was there for the last part of the beam struggle without any gaps in between.
You are not remembering correctly then.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Zionist » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:12 pm

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Much better artwork than the previous page.

So where's Vegeta standing next to Trunks' body?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:55 pm

Zionist wrote:So where's Vegeta standing next to Trunks' body?
Vegeta wasn't standing next to Trunks in the original either. He must be either in the air, having missed his cue to distract Cell because Gohan gave up before he could, or still lying on the ground. Although the latter probably isn't true, because we didn't see him there and this would mean he got vaporized along with Gohan in the blast.

But whatever. We'll see in the next page.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:56 pm

Zionist wrote:Much better artwork than the previous page.
I think they probably don't draw good battle scenes, so what we've seen up to now is not that bad, but it'll probably get really shitty when we actually start seeing some proper fighting. Of course I'd be delighted, if I'm proven wrong, but since Rereboy warned us and the pages up to now hasn't been that bad, I think he was referring to the art in the battle scenes.

Also lol, I wanted to see Gohan die just like Cell did with eyes popping and everything.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:11 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:If I'm remembering correctly, his image was there for the last part of the beam struggle without any gaps in between.
You are not remembering correctly then.
Yes I am. I just checked. There are only two relevant panels where you see Gohan from the front where you could expect Goku to be in panel. The first time, Goku's there. Then Vegeta interferes. Then You see Goku there again which leads into Cell's death. Now there is a panel of Gohan from above but that's not quite the same thing.

That being the case, it really does seem like Vegeta's absence made the difference here more than anything. On page 1 you see everything as usual. Goku behind Gohan, the beam struggle, etc. But you don't see Goku in the second relevant panel where you normally would. Everything goes to shit because Gohan never got a breather.

It was Vegeta's lazy ass, not Gohan's, that screwed everybody over.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:20 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
TonyTheTiger wrote:If I'm remembering correctly, his image was there for the last part of the beam struggle without any gaps in between.
You are not remembering correctly then.
Yes I am. I just checked. There are only two relevant panels where you see Gohan from the front where you could expect Goku to be in panel. The first time, Goku's there. Then Vegeta interferes. Then You see Goku there again which leads into Cell's death.

It really then seems like Vegeta's absence made the difference here more than anything...
Your line: "without any gaps in between" made it sound like that Goku was in all the panels with Gohan.

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