dblack wrote:Not a fan of Goku+Vegeta vs Jiren.
If they’re not going to be all prideful and 1v1 then why not fuse? Would’ve rather seen Gohan and his dad or Vegeta + 17 while Goku recovers. I feel like 17’s shield is the perfect technique for stalling. 17 landing punches on Jiren would be ridiculous but Vegeta landing punches while 17 shadows him and shields Jiren’s attacks would be a cool strategy.
Big fan of Toppo possibly getting a boost and a good showing. His fight with Goku in the prelims was so hype. All we’ve got from him so far is a Vegeta fight that was barely shown on the screen. I hope he gets multiple episodes and an elimination. With the possibility of him powering up further, a group effort from U7 against him would be cool. 17, Freeza, Gohan after they take care of Dyspo.
Not a fan of Freeza vs Dyspo and especially not a fan of throwing Gohan in there. As everyone else has been saying, it just doesn’t make much sense. Freeza should beat the brakes off of him with little effort. Then Gohan to the rescue? I’m a big Gohan fan and always have been but cmon. Golden Freeza should be able to 1-shot full power Gohan. I’m not opposed to Gohan reaching or even surpassing Golden Freeza level but we need some build-up instead of believing Gohan is powerful enough in his current state to save Freeza.
Your underestimate dyspo
Dyspo speed boost makes him a nightmare for guys like Hit who had to rely on his wits and abilities to beat him
Freeza unlike hit has no abilities to counter Dyspo speed boost
Plus it's not like dyspo lacking in the strength department he was able to combat Hit and knock him on his ass multiple times so he's not weak in the strength department either
Gohan is blue level so I don't see the problem here
If anything dyspo is much more of a threat than we realise
Lol Gohan is not blue level and Frieza will end up destroying Dyspo the way Hit did once he and Gohan trap him like they did with Frost.
Gohan is blue level given his performance against the u3 mecha and last episode let alone the narrator stating Gohan showed power that rivaled ssjb goku
Evidence is there you just wanna deny it cause you don't like it
And again sleeping on dyspo
TheOne wrote:
Right? People are up in arms about Vegeta but don’t notice how Frieza should be beating the snot out of Dyspo.
You guys are underestimating this guy,his speed make him extremely dangerous,heck he could improved his speed and make his movement less linear.
Knowing DBS track records,there gonna use fake tension,have frieza and gohan fight in their base forms .[quote="sintzu.
I’m not really underestimating him. It’s moreso Dyspo has already gotten spanked in this tournament and Frieza has been conserving his energy majority of the time. It’s kinda mismatched.
But you’re right, I kinda see this as fake tension.
No thanks,I am happy they retconned the fusion that is such cope out.Make someone too powerful then introduce deus ex machina to counter and then create even more power creep to avoid the question why don't they fuse.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
TheOne wrote:
Right? People are up in arms about Vegeta but don’t notice how Frieza should be beating the snot out of Dyspo.
You guys are underestimating this guy,his speed make him extremely dangerous,heck he could improved his speed and make his movement less linear.
Knowing DBS track records,there gonna use fake tension,have frieza and gohan fight in their base forms .
sintzu wrote:
Which shows how hopeless the situation is for Goku and Vegeta fighting Jiren.
Didn't vegeta defeated Toppo as well Goku in the exhibition.
that makes no sense and you know it this is endgame which means everybody going all out here
Gohan and Freeza didn't play it safe in base when they fought aniraza and we see Gohan in ultimate in the episode preview
Everybody going all out barring jiren who going full power for Mastered UI goku
sintzu wrote:
Vegeta's fight didn't continue and if I remember correctly Toppo wasn't going all out against Goku. In the manga he makes Goku look like nothing so that's what we might get here.
Toppo was heavily damaged with that kamehameha.He was breathing heavily whereas Goku was smirking,really look like Goku had the upper edge in that match.
Ki Breaker wrote:
Or lose in their final forms, DBS doesn't have to make sense, at least I am confident that's what people at toie start their their mornings saying..
I much rather have an all out war instead of the same old stuff,there in the finals have all the character go all out.
TheOne wrote:
I’m not really underestimating him. It’s moreso Dyspo has already gotten spanked in this tournament and Frieza has been conserving his energy majority of the time. It’s kinda mismatched.
But you’re right, I kinda see this as fake tension.
Dyspo as well is saving his stamina,how boring would it be if Frieza never struggle,it's a stupid because DBS is in the final stage and it doesn't make sense if we still see fodder stomp.
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TheOne wrote:
Right? People are up in arms about Vegeta but don’t notice how Frieza should be beating the snot out of Dyspo.
You guys are underestimating this guy,his speed make him extremely dangerous,heck he could improved his speed and make his movement less linear.
Knowing DBS track records,there gonna use fake tension,have frieza and gohan fight in their base forms .[quote="sintzu.
I’m not really underestimating him. It’s moreso Dyspo has already gotten spanked in this tournament and Frieza has been conserving his energy majority of the time. It’s kinda mismatched.
But you’re right, I kinda see this as fake tension.
Hit and Maji were the only ones that spanked Dyspo
Other than that nobody else
Freeza will have to go all out to beat him
sintzu wrote:
Vegeta's fight didn't continue and if I remember correctly Toppo wasn't going all out against Goku. In the manga he makes Goku look like nothing so that's what we might get here.
Toppo was heavily damaged with that kamehameha.He was breathing heavily whereas Goku was smirking,really look like Goku had the upper edge in that match.
Ki Breaker wrote:
Or lose in their final forms, DBS doesn't have to make sense, at least I am confident that's what people at toie start their their mornings saying..
I much rather have an all out war instead of the same old stuff,were in the final have all the character go all out.
TheOne wrote:
I’m not really underestimating him. It’s moreso Dyspo has already gotten spanked in this tournament and Frieza has been conserving his energy majority of the time. It’s kinda mismatched.
But you’re right, I kinda see this as fake tension.
Dyspo as well is saving his stamina,how boring would it be if Frieza never struggle,it's a stupid because DBS is in the final stage and it doesn't make sense if we still see fodder stomp.
Besides a few bruises toppo was fine and more or less pissed off that his suit was torn and again that was him being suppressed
Toppo at Full power is a far different story
Lapislettuce wrote:Who is writing the Toppo episode ?
No staff listed for Toppo's 125.
But 123 is Tomioka and 124 is Fukushima if I read it correctly.
God spare us from yamaguchi and Fukushima,I rarely like their episodes.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Grimlock wrote:I know the "Goku's personality" debate has long ended, but I've just found these pictures. Interesting how it perfectly portrays what would happen if it was nowadays.
DBZ Goku:
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DBS Goku:
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This is OLD, but GOLD. I wish the artist did a few more with Super!Goku in the origina manga.
Ki Breaker wrote:Here's the Herms version..
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Wow, this looks quite interesting. Wasn't Gohan and 17 fighting with Toppo? So why he left to help Freeza with Dyspo? Also WTF with the 125 title? This means Toppo will surpass Jiren himself?
No. If toppo turns out to be on G.o.D tier, jiren has always been stated superior to a god of destruction, it just seems like people dont want to accept that and instead puts him on par, instead of superior
Advent of the Hakaishin Toppo??? This soon?! That’s a surprise!
Jeezus, if you have Jiren, who is stonger than a Hakaishin, then Toppo at Hakaishin level, that would be quite a challenge for U7. Goku vs Jiren and Vegeta vs Toppo (Hakaishin) anyone? But man, what happens to Golden Freeza, Gohan and 17... neither of them could defeat a Hakaishin level opponent... them all facing Dyspo?
Not ruling out the possibility of the title being a red herring, but man it sounds awesome. And really glad Vegeta is sticking around.
I seriously hope Gohan goes down next. The guy is boring to watch, his dialogue is cheesy while his fighting style is just pathetic. He's done more than enough at this point, and I feel he should make room for 17 and Frieza.
Is anyone starting to think that now that we have these spoilers, that by jiren being superior to a god of destruction, that they actually meant above that domain of power, cause holy shit. If toppo turns out to have been hidding power on the levels of the gods of destruction, and he said that anyone on his level is no match for jiren, then jiren is far stronger than i ever expected him to be. In fact, Jiren had to have been massively suppressed against episode 109 UI goku (adimit it, UI goku is yet to reach hakaishin level)
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