"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lapislettuce]

I think people have very high expectations for Gohan it sounds like they want him to defeat all the pride troopers. he's obviously done enough and ep 124 sounds like he's completely hopeless. i don't see him going against either Jiren nor Toppo. 17 on the other hand with his unlimited stamina, raw strength, strategic way of thinking should be very useful. not to mention the barrier has come in handy for more than one occasion.

Gohan fans don't think so.

With all the respect i have for the fans of every character some Gohan fans are ridiculous. Gohan is already stated to be going all out against Dyspo soon. so what else do they want him to do ? beat Toppo and then beat Jiren ? it's very unlikely to happen. i don't know where their confidence for Gohan came from but he's not as safe as they're making him sound.

[Kagari]

Now if they focused on that bit of story, I'd care. His story arc was I don't want to fight til Bra is born. Bra is born. His story arc ended. We never show him spending much time Bra or having reflections on his family. All his lines instead are the most generic crap he always says. His purpose in this story is that he is popular and strong...at that's it. Nothing else tying him there. The story does not at all focus on his family being the center point of Vegeta's drive. Everything that made Vegeta so awesome in the previous arcs, and a favourite of mine is gone. It's like that amazing Vegeta was booted out by boring Vegeta. I want Black arc Vegeta back. Black arc Vegeta was more than just spouting bullshit I've heard a thousand times from him before.

Vegeta has basically been a background character the entire arc, like they didn't know what to do with him so they kept him around because he's a strong guy.

Right. Vegeta's does not have even close to the same presence as he had in the Goku Black arc, or really any previous arc in Super. He's far more in the background. Which is why it makes no sense for him to get this special treatment over others who have had ongoing stories in this arc. If Vegeta were written better in this arc, and had more time to not have such a small presence, I'd be more inclined to agree with more Vegeta treatment. But he lacks that this arc.

And really hatred of a character shouldn't get in the way of stories. Doctor on this message board has made it clear he dislikes Gohan. He is far from a fan of Gohan. But he's made it clear his feelings on whether he likes a character or not should not affect the storylines that are being told. I hate Monaka and was willing to give him a chance. It's just his arc was dumb, it never had a good reason for it, and he was a watered down Mr. Satan. If they do something else with him fine, just make something out of it. I hate Ribrianne but hey bring her back if you can do something interesting with her or it's plot relevant.

I don't just want characters gone if I hate them. I don't want a story to suddenly jump ship to another story and completely waste another character because I dislike them. I like a beginning middle and end to my stories. Story lines shouldn't just suddenly be dropped and thrown away because of a persons preference on a character. That just makes the entire story suffer.

Exactly. Vegeta in the Trunks arc was fantastic and even though I don't particularly care for him as a character, I'm not too thrilled with how they've tossed aside those developments in this arc to make him such a one-dimensional regression of what he was before. He's actually the only character who has been treated as such, aside from Tenshinhan, so it feels a bit of an odd placement.

I think people have very high expectations for Gohan it sounds like they want him to defeat all the pride troopers. he's obviously done enough and ep 124 sounds like he's completely hopeless. i don't see him going against either Jiren nor Toppo. 17 on the other hand with his unlimited stamina, raw strength, strategic way of thinking should be very useful. not to mention the barrier has come in handy for more than one occasion.

Gohan fans don't think so.

With all the respect i have for the fans of every character some Gohan fans are ridiculous. Gohan is already stated to be going all out against Dyspo soon. so what else do they want him to do ? beat Toppo and then beat Jiren ? it's very unlikely to happen. i don't know where their confidence for Gohan came from but he's not as safe as they're making him sound.

Actually most fans I talk to are just happy he's relevant and playing an active role again. He's basically back to the type of roles he had in Z and I think that's more than most fans could ask for given his poor treatment early on in Super.

[Michsi]

I think people have very high expectations for Gohan it sounds like they want him to defeat all the pride troopers. he's obviously done enough and ep 124 sounds like he's completely hopeless. i don't see him going against either Jiren nor Toppo. 17 on the other hand with his unlimited stamina, raw strength, strategic way of thinking should be very useful. not to mention the barrier has come in handy for more than one occasion.

Gohan fans don't think so.

With all the respect i have for the fans of every character some Gohan fans are ridiculous. Gohan is already stated to be going all out against Dyspo soon. so what else do they want him to do ? beat Toppo and then beat Jiren ? it's very unlikely to happen. i don't know where their confidence for Gohan came from but he's not as safe as they're making him sound.

Let's be honest, aside from Goku, no one is safe. I can't say that Gohan is among my utmost favorites, but we are talking about the only other character that has ever been given the privilege of defeating the main villain. So if there are any fans that have a right to expect something grand from their favorite character, it's the Gohan fans.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta has basically been a background character the entire arc, like they didn't know what to do with him so they kept him around because he's a strong guy.

Right. Vegeta's does not have even close to the same presence as he had in the Goku Black arc, or really any previous arc in Super. He's far more in the background. Which is why it makes no sense for him to get this special treatment over others who have had ongoing stories in this arc. If Vegeta were written better in this arc, and had more time to not have such a small presence, I'd be more inclined to agree with more Vegeta treatment. But he lacks that this arc.

And really hatred of a character shouldn't get in the way of stories. Doctor on this message board has made it clear he dislikes Gohan. He is far from a fan of Gohan. But he's made it clear his feelings on whether he likes a character or not should not affect the storylines that are being told. I hate Monaka and was willing to give him a chance. It's just his arc was dumb, it never had a good reason for it, and he was a watered down Mr. Satan. If they do something else with him fine, just make something out of it. I hate Ribrianne but hey bring her back if you can do something interesting with her or it's plot relevant.

I don't just want characters gone if I hate them. I don't want a story to suddenly jump ship to another story and completely waste another character because I dislike them. I like a beginning middle and end to my stories. Story lines shouldn't just suddenly be dropped and thrown away because of a persons preference on a character. That just makes the entire story suffer.

Exactly. Vegeta in the Trunks arc was fantastic and even though I don't particularly care for him as a character, I'm not too thrilled with how they've tossed aside those developments in this arc to make him such a one-dimensional regression of what he was before. He's actually the only character who has been treated as such, aside from Tenshinhan, so it feels a bit of an odd placement.

Gohan fans don't think so.

With all the respect i have for the fans of every character some Gohan fans are ridiculous. Gohan is already stated to be going all out against Dyspo soon. so what else do they want him to do ? beat Toppo and then beat Jiren ? it's very unlikely to happen. i don't know where their confidence for Gohan came from but he's not as safe as they're making him sound.

Actually most fans I talk to are just happy he's relevant and playing an active role again. He's basically back to the type of roles he had in Z and I think that's more than most fans could ask for given his poor treatment early on in Super.

I think Jiren is like the shittiest antagonist I have ever seen so far. Does that mean we should just jump ship to another antagonist and he should just go away? No. It would make no sense. Jiren has had build up as the antagonist. To suddenly drop him off would be anti-climatic. I find him super boring but before another antagonist comes in, they should have a satisfying conclusion with Jiren. If Gohan just drops off then what's his satisfying ending to his arc? He has to have one or it's been a waste. He shouldn't just go away because some people don't like him. He should be used so long as he has a story to tell just like any other character.

[Hakaishin Liquir]

I think people have very high expectations for Gohan it sounds like they want him to defeat all the pride troopers. he's obviously done enough and ep 124 sounds like he's completely hopeless. i don't see him going against either Jiren nor Toppo. 17 on the other hand with his unlimited stamina, raw strength, strategic way of thinking should be very useful. not to mention the barrier has come in handy for more than one occasion.

Gohan fans don't think so.

With all the respect i have for the fans of every character some Gohan fans are ridiculous. Gohan is already stated to be going all out against Dyspo soon. so what else do they want him to do ? beat Toppo and then beat Jiren ? it's very unlikely to happen. i don't know where their confidence for Gohan came from but he's not as safe as they're making him sound.

I've noticed that Gohan fans and Vegeta fans are very demanding.

[Nickolaidas]

Dyspo is one weird dude.

Apparently his super speed and hearing make him a really dangerous opponent (he proved that with Hit), but when his speed is countered by strategy or surprise, he's done for. When Hit countered his speed, he couldn't do anything. When Maji Kayo grappled him with his goo-like appendage and held him in place, Dyspo was deprived of his speed and basically 'powerless'.

So it makes sense to cause trouble for Frieza, the way I'm thinking about it. The only scene which was a mistake IMO, was the part where Dyspo chickened out and 'refused' to fight Frieza. It makes no sense for Dyspo to think of 4th Stage Frieza 'too much for him' and pummel him a few episodes later. That scene, along with him getting trolled by Maji Kayo, de-hyped him, and now (some) people are raising an eyebrow with his performance against Frieza.

I'm now honestly curious to see when Frieza (if ever) will consider Dyspo dangerous enough to turn himself Golden. It's weird to let himself getting pummeled by Dyspo at 'base' form.

One thing's for sure. Frieza's flawless victory status is about to get seriously debunked.

I also find curious the fact that 17 isn't mentioned AT ALL in these episodes. I really hope he's not eliminated casually - he deserves a lot more than than after the latest episode.

I've noticed that Gohan fans and Vegeta fans are very demanding.

For the Gohan part, with good reason. Guy used to be the shit back in the Cell games and he regressed into ... what did Jaco call him? Semi-competent? He deserves a lot more than this. Boy has a heart of gold and is surrounded by assholes. He should be the top dog, not the saiyan battle-mongering duo.

[Kagari]

Right. Vegeta's does not have even close to the same presence as he had in the Goku Black arc, or really any previous arc in Super. He's far more in the background. Which is why it makes no sense for him to get this special treatment over others who have had ongoing stories in this arc. If Vegeta were written better in this arc, and had more time to not have such a small presence, I'd be more inclined to agree with more Vegeta treatment. But he lacks that this arc.

And really hatred of a character shouldn't get in the way of stories. Doctor on this message board has made it clear he dislikes Gohan. He is far from a fan of Gohan. But he's made it clear his feelings on whether he likes a character or not should not affect the storylines that are being told. I hate Monaka and was willing to give him a chance. It's just his arc was dumb, it never had a good reason for it, and he was a watered down Mr. Satan. If they do something else with him fine, just make something out of it. I hate Ribrianne but hey bring her back if you can do something interesting with her or it's plot relevant.

I don't just want characters gone if I hate them. I don't want a story to suddenly jump ship to another story and completely waste another character because I dislike them. I like a beginning middle and end to my stories. Story lines shouldn't just suddenly be dropped and thrown away because of a persons preference on a character. That just makes the entire story suffer.

Exactly. Vegeta in the Trunks arc was fantastic and even though I don't particularly care for him as a character, I'm not too thrilled with how they've tossed aside those developments in this arc to make him such a one-dimensional regression of what he was before. He's actually the only character who has been treated as such, aside from Tenshinhan, so it feels a bit of an odd placement.

With all the respect i have for the fans of every character some Gohan fans are ridiculous. Gohan is already stated to be going all out against Dyspo soon. so what else do they want him to do ? beat Toppo and then beat Jiren ? it's very unlikely to happen. i don't know where their confidence for Gohan came from but he's not as safe as they're making him sound.

Actually most fans I talk to are just happy he's relevant and playing an active role again. He's basically back to the type of roles he had in Z and I think that's more than most fans could ask for given his poor treatment early on in Super.

I think Jiren is like the shittiest antagonist I have ever seen so far. Does that mean we should just jump ship to another antagonist and he should just go away? No. It would make no sense. Jiren has had build up as the antagonist. To suddenly drop him off would be anti-climatic. I find him super boring but before another antagonist comes in, they should have a satisfying conclusion with Jiren. If Gohan just drops off then what's his satisfying ending to his arc? He has to have one or it's been a waste. He shouldn't just go away because some people don't like him. He should be used so long as he has a story to tell just like any other character.

And obviously there is a story for them to tell with Gohan because he's gotten the most focus of anyone other than Goku this arc.

[Hawk9211]

The basic problem I have with gohan is that to not make him a goku clone,they turned him into a brute.His character arc was using his full power without holding back,he only shines when he is the strongest,whenever he uses tactics he falls under shadow of vegeta and technique spot is occupied by goku(all three fought botamo),to make things worse they all are saiyans.The result is other characters praising him(like obuni),when he is being outclassed by other characters especially goku,vegeta and you are left wondering what was so special?

Now,if we talk about his role in top.He was meant to be the leader when he has never indicated that trait.In the tournament,half of team does even listen to him which frankly wasn't his fault and the other less than half who listens are the first one to be eliminated.Now,I could ignore that if he displayed some extraordinary leadership and skill but his shining moments were muscling his way out and he was constantly being out shined by other members.I could get i detail but that's it for now.

[dbzfan7]

Exactly. Vegeta in the Trunks arc was fantastic and even though I don't particularly care for him as a character, I'm not too thrilled with how they've tossed aside those developments in this arc to make him such a one-dimensional regression of what he was before. He's actually the only character who has been treated as such, aside from Tenshinhan, so it feels a bit of an odd placement.



Actually most fans I talk to are just happy he's relevant and playing an active role again. He's basically back to the type of roles he had in Z and I think that's more than most fans could ask for given his poor treatment early on in Super.

I think Jiren is like the shittiest antagonist I have ever seen so far. Does that mean we should just jump ship to another antagonist and he should just go away? No. It would make no sense. Jiren has had build up as the antagonist. To suddenly drop him off would be anti-climatic. I find him super boring but before another antagonist comes in, they should have a satisfying conclusion with Jiren. If Gohan just drops off then what's his satisfying ending to his arc? He has to have one or it's been a waste. He shouldn't just go away because some people don't like him. He should be used so long as he has a story to tell just like any other character.

And obviously there is a story for them to tell with Gohan because he's gotten the most focus of anyone other than Goku this arc.

I'd arguably say Freeza has at least as much as he does. He and Freeza are just under Goku in plot threads.

[TheOne]

Now if they focused on that bit of story, I'd care. His story arc was I don't want to fight til Bra is born. Bra is born. His story arc ended. We never show him spending much time Bra or having reflections on his family. All his lines instead are the most generic crap he always says. His purpose in this story is that he is popular and strong...at that's it. Nothing else tying him there. The story does not at all focus on his family being the center point of Vegeta's drive. Everything that made Vegeta so awesome in the previous arcs, and a favourite of mine is gone. It's like that amazing Vegeta was booted out by boring Vegeta. I want Black arc Vegeta back. Black arc Vegeta was more than just spouting bullshit I've heard a thousand times from him before.

Vegeta has basically been a background character the entire arc, like they didn't know what to do with him so they kept him around because he's a strong guy.

Right. Vegeta's does not have even close to the same presence as he had in the Goku Black arc, or really any previous arc in Super. He's far more in the background. Which is why it makes no sense for him to get this special treatment over others who have had ongoing stories in this arc. If Vegeta were written better in this arc, and had more time to not have such a small presence, I'd be more inclined to agree with more Vegeta treatment. But he lacks that this arc.

And really hatred of a character shouldn't get in the way of stories. Doctor on this message board has made it clear he dislikes Gohan. He is far from a fan of Gohan. But he's made it clear his feelings on whether he likes a character or not should not affect the storylines that are being told. I hate Monaka and was willing to give him a chance. It's just his arc was dumb, it never had a good reason for it, and he was a watered down Mr. Satan. If they do something else with him fine, just make something out of it. I hate Ribrianne but hey bring her back if you can do something interesting with her or it's plot relevant.

I don't just want characters gone if I hate them. I don't want a story to suddenly jump ship to another story and completely waste another character because I dislike them. I like a beginning middle and end to my stories. Story lines shouldn't just suddenly be dropped and thrown away because of a persons preference on a character. That just makes the entire story suffer.

Vegeta didn’t have much of a presence because they had to make room for all the other characters on the team. Why can’t you understand that? It’s such a simple concept. Vegetas roll didn’t deminish because he was irrelevant. It was reduced simply because there were 75 fighters they had to give screen time to and develop.

[Lapislettuce]

I also find curious the fact that 17 isn't mentioned AT ALL in these episodes. I really hope he's not eliminated casually - he deserves a lot more than than after the latest episode.

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I would have been worried if Toppo wasn't mentioned at all till his big episode which has 0 details. everyone seems busy except 17 and Toppo so it's easy to assume they might be fighting eachother with Gohan and maybe Gohan left in the middle of the fight to help Frieza for whatever reason.

[perucho1990]

Dyspo is one weird dude.

Apparently his super speed and hearing make him a really dangerous opponent (he proved that with Hit), but when his speed is countered by strategy or surprise, he's done for. When Hit countered his speed, he couldn't do anything. When Maji Kayo grappled him with his goo-like appendage and held him in place, Dyspo was deprived of his speed and basically 'powerless'.

So it makes sense to cause trouble for Frieza, the way I'm thinking about it. The only scene which was a mistake IMO, was the part where Dyspo chickened out and 'refused' to fight Frieza. It makes no sense for Dyspo to think of 4th Stage Frieza 'too much for him' and pummel him a few episodes later. That scene, along with him getting trolled by Maji Kayo, de-hyped him, and now (some) people are raising an eyebrow with his performance against Frieza.

I'm now honestly curious to see when Frieza (if ever) will consider Dyspo dangerous enough to turn himself Golden. It's weird to let himself getting pummeled by Dyspo at 'base' form.

One thing's for sure. Frieza's flawless victory status is about to get seriously debunked.

I also find curious the fact that 17 isn't mentioned AT ALL in these episodes. I really hope he's not eliminated casually - he deserves a lot more than than after the latest episode.

I've noticed that Gohan fans and Vegeta fans are very demanding.

For the Gohan part, with good reason. Guy used to be the shit back in the Cell games and he regressed into ... what did Jaco call him? Semi-competent? He deserves a lot more than this. Boy has a heart of gold and is surrounded by assholes. He should be the top dog, not the saiyan battle-mongering duo.

Just assume that Dyspo wasnt at full power back then, thats why he was afraid of Freeza.

[Nickolaidas]

I also find curious the fact that 17 isn't mentioned AT ALL in these episodes. I really hope he's not eliminated casually - he deserves a lot more than than after the latest episode.

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I would have been worried if Toppo wasn't mentioned at all till his big episode which has 0 details. everyone seems busy except 17 and Toppo so it's easy to assume they might be fighting eachother with Gohan and maybe Gohan left in the middle of the fight to help Frieza for whatever reason.

At this point I am seriously considering stop coming here in order to spare myself of spoilers - the ToP can go in so many ways right now in terms of eliminations I don't want to know and simply see them as they come - without knowing beforehand like Krillin and the others.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta has basically been a background character the entire arc, like they didn't know what to do with him so they kept him around because he's a strong guy.

Right. Vegeta's does not have even close to the same presence as he had in the Goku Black arc, or really any previous arc in Super. He's far more in the background. Which is why it makes no sense for him to get this special treatment over others who have had ongoing stories in this arc. If Vegeta were written better in this arc, and had more time to not have such a small presence, I'd be more inclined to agree with more Vegeta treatment. But he lacks that this arc.

And really hatred of a character shouldn't get in the way of stories. Doctor on this message board has made it clear he dislikes Gohan. He is far from a fan of Gohan. But he's made it clear his feelings on whether he likes a character or not should not affect the storylines that are being told. I hate Monaka and was willing to give him a chance. It's just his arc was dumb, it never had a good reason for it, and he was a watered down Mr. Satan. If they do something else with him fine, just make something out of it. I hate Ribrianne but hey bring her back if you can do something interesting with her or it's plot relevant.

I don't just want characters gone if I hate them. I don't want a story to suddenly jump ship to another story and completely waste another character because I dislike them. I like a beginning middle and end to my stories. Story lines shouldn't just suddenly be dropped and thrown away because of a persons preference on a character. That just makes the entire story suffer.

Vegeta didn’t have much of a presence because they had to make room for all the other characters on the team. Why can’t you understand that? It’s such a simple concept. Vegetas roll didn’t deminish because he was irrelevant. It was reduced simply because there were 75 fighters they had to give screen time to and develop.

No that is not an excuse for why he practically has nothing going for him. They very easily could have done something both pre and during the tournament for Vegeta. But instead they'd just rather him shout out generic pre development Vegeta lines instead. He has no ongoing story arc for this tournament. The only story he had was not wanting to join til Bra was born. Bra was born. That story ended. If Bra and his family were going to be a focus for Vegeta during the tournament, they very easily could have done that. without sacrificing that much time. It's clearly not the focal point of his drive this arc as he never thinks about it. He's in the tourney because he likes to fight. He would have joined regardless so long as Bra was born at the time.

[Nickolaidas]

The only thing that Vegeta has going for him is the desire to bring back the Saiyan Race through U6.

[Totamo]

Right. Vegeta's does not have even close to the same presence as he had in the Goku Black arc, or really any previous arc in Super. He's far more in the background. Which is why it makes no sense for him to get this special treatment over others who have had ongoing stories in this arc. If Vegeta were written better in this arc, and had more time to not have such a small presence, I'd be more inclined to agree with more Vegeta treatment. But he lacks that this arc.

And really hatred of a character shouldn't get in the way of stories. Doctor on this message board has made it clear he dislikes Gohan. He is far from a fan of Gohan. But he's made it clear his feelings on whether he likes a character or not should not affect the storylines that are being told. I hate Monaka and was willing to give him a chance. It's just his arc was dumb, it never had a good reason for it, and he was a watered down Mr. Satan. If they do something else with him fine, just make something out of it. I hate Ribrianne but hey bring her back if you can do something interesting with her or it's plot relevant.

I don't just want characters gone if I hate them. I don't want a story to suddenly jump ship to another story and completely waste another character because I dislike them. I like a beginning middle and end to my stories. Story lines shouldn't just suddenly be dropped and thrown away because of a persons preference on a character. That just makes the entire story suffer.

Vegeta didn’t have much of a presence because they had to make room for all the other characters on the team. Why can’t you understand that? It’s such a simple concept. Vegetas roll didn’t deminish because he was irrelevant. It was reduced simply because there were 75 fighters they had to give screen time to and develop.

No that is not an excuse for why he practically has nothing going for him. They very easily could have done something both pre and during the tournament for Vegeta. But instead they'd just rather him shout out generic pre development Vegeta lines instead. He has no ongoing story arc for this tournament. The only story he had was not wanting to join til Bra was born. Bra was born. That story ended. If Bra and his family were going to be a focus for Vegeta during the tournament, they very easily could have done that. without sacrificing that much time. It's clearly not the focal point of his drive this arc as he never thinks about it. He's in the tourney because he likes to fight. He would have joined regardless so long as Bra was born at the time.

Well, counterpoint. What does Goku have going for him?

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta didn’t have much of a presence because they had to make room for all the other characters on the team. Why can’t you understand that? It’s such a simple concept. Vegetas roll didn’t deminish because he was irrelevant. It was reduced simply because there were 75 fighters they had to give screen time to and develop.

No that is not an excuse for why he practically has nothing going for him. They very easily could have done something both pre and during the tournament for Vegeta. But instead they'd just rather him shout out generic pre development Vegeta lines instead. He has no ongoing story arc for this tournament. The only story he had was not wanting to join til Bra was born. Bra was born. That story ended. If Bra and his family were going to be a focus for Vegeta during the tournament, they very easily could have done that. without sacrificing that much time. It's clearly not the focal point of his drive this arc as he never thinks about it. He's in the tourney because he likes to fight. He would have joined regardless so long as Bra was born at the time.

Well, counterpoint. What does Goku have going for him?

Goku was the one who kicked off the entire arc in the first place. All the universes basically hate him even if he did give everyone a fighting chance. All the gods dislike Goku for his relation to Zeno as well as his disrespect he shows, which leads to the gods also hating Beerus. Freeza being in and his most interesting relationship is tied to Goku, as we've seen throughout the tournament.

[Mercenary]

The only thing that Vegeta has going for him is the desire to bring back the Saiyan Race through U6.

Lol, but it's still bigger and more impressive motivation than Goku's one (wishing something cool for Goten or Chi-Chi!), #17's one (wishing a boat? If I can recall correctly) or Frieza's one who wants to rule , rule , rule , rule over the all...and that's it.

Hakaishin Liquir wrote:
I've noticed that Gohan fans and Vegeta fans are very demanding.


For the Gohan part, with good reason. Guy used to be the shit back in the Cell games and he regressed into ... what did Jaco call him? Semi-competent? He deserves a lot more than this. Boy has a heart of gold and is surrounded by assholes. He should be the top dog, not the saiyan battle-mongering duo.

And when was it? Like several decades ago? When he was fighting against Cell?

Vegeta is basically the #2 most important character in this show and sometimes he even plays as major role as Goku. (Future Trunks Arc for instance and ROF arc).

Vegeta's fanbase has been deceived that they should root for Vegeta because he is more important than he used to be in Z and maybe he will get even a major kill. Toriyama stated in some interview that he wants him to play main role and in ROF he almost killed off Frieza, so you know...

Taking this all into consideration, you shouldn't be really surprised why Vegeta's fanbase wants him to get more spotlight.

[Michsi]

And when was it? Like several decades ago? When he was fighting against Cell?

The fact that it's been over 20 years , yet it's still so fresh in so many people's mind is what makes it relevant. Him going SSJ2 is one of the most iconic moments of the entire franchise, possibly as iconic as Goku's first SSj transformation (because of the song).

[Artorias]

Well, it only took us 30 episodes to finally get some real tension in this bitch. I'm beyond thrilled that Jiren, Dypso, and Toppo are all putting up good fights and pushing the heroes back into a corner FINALLY. The whole tournament should've been like this past like the first 5 episodes of fodder.