Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Ajay]

That's Ken Otsuka. He's amazing. Super talkative at Twitter. Is he a fan of Dragon Ball?

3:15 in that video isn't Ken Otsuka. That's Naotoshi Shida.

Otsuka did the scene where Trunks slices Zamasu in half at the end.

[kinisking]

That's Ken Otsuka. He's amazing. Super talkative at Twitter. Is he a fan of Dragon Ball?

3:15 in that video isn't Ken Otsuka. That's Naotoshi Shida.

Otsuka did the scene where Trunks slices Zamasu in half at the end.

He might have been talking about the clip I posted but edited his comment incorrectly

[FortuneSSJ]

That's Ken Otsuka. Is he a fan of Dragon Ball?

Yes, Ken is confirmed to be a Dragon Ball fan. He even tweeted once he was sad he hadn't still got DB 30th Anniversary Book because it was sold out.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Thoughts about the production now heading to the big arc? Has the two month break helped much?

[iAnimationLover_]

Thoughts about the production now heading to the big arc? Has the two month break helped much?

Lets all hope that most action scenes are given enough time. Manabe and Kitano's filler episodes have an incredibly light touch (Also Shimanuki, but its not THAT light), And even Wanpack episodes have a small staff list. so hopefully they're already ahead of time


But looking at Tate, He needs a break he had to work on Episode #66, #69, The new Opening and #72

[ArchedThunder]

Thoughts about the production now heading to the big arc? Has the two month break helped much?

Impossible to tell at this point, we might not have a good feel for how the production is until a few episodes into the tournament itself.

[JulieYBM]

Thoughts about the production now heading to the big arc? Has the two month break helped much?

All of the regular staff have been working on these episodes. Unless there's a plethora of new staff working on the early episodes of this arc...no...things will not improve.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

In my opinion, things won't be that good. I hope the story arc is not just action and it has something more to it. If not, it will be more or less the same as U6.

The regular staff as mentioned still were involved in these fillers, so they weren't completely free and weren't given time to focus entirely on the new arc. No way to say for sure, but it's best to keep expectations low.

[ArchedThunder]

All of the regular staff have been working on these episodes. Unless there's a plethora of new staff working on the early episodes of this arc...no...things will not improve.

You're ignoring the episodes themselves and how little different staff members were working on them. And if the 10 weeks were used to improve the schedule then it goes without saying that there would be some new staff, especially if Morio was focusing on the new arc while Kohei handled the filler.

[Alee9977]

All of the regular staff have been working on these episodes. Unless there's a plethora of new staff working on the early episodes of this arc...no...things will not improve.

You're ignoring the episodes themselves and how little different staff members were working on them.

You are right, regular supervisors barely did a few corrections in these episodes, but even if it is that way, I don't expect great things either. Although we know they may have more time, keep in mind this is a tournament, there will be fights in every episode, It won't be like F Trunks arc where in some episodes there were fights, some episodes there weren't, so this conservative and with little staff episodes are neccesary or everything can colapse again just like how it happened in Episode 5.

[Psykomatik]

There was action in almost every single episodes of Future Trunks arc.

Episode 47: Bulma / Future Trunks / Mai vs Goku Black
Episode 48: Goku Black vs Future Trunks
Episode 49: Future Trunks vs Son Goku
Episode 50: Goku Black vs Son Goku
Episode 51: Future Trunks vs Goku Black
Episode 52: Vegeta's training
Episode 53: Son Goku vs Zamasu
Episode 54: Future Trunks vs Vegeta
Episode 55: Babari vs Zamasu
Episode 56: Goku Black vs Son Goku - Goku Black vs Vegeta
Episode 57: Goku Black and Future Zamasu vs Son Goku and Future Trunks
Episode 58: /
Episode 59: Son Goku vs Zamasu - Future Trunks vs Trunks
Episode 60: Goku Black vs Vegeta
Episode 61: Goku Black and Future Zamasu vs Son Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks
Episode 62: Future Trunks vs Goku Black and Future Zamasu
Episode 63: Future Trunks vs Goku Black and Future Zamasu - Son Goku and Vegeta vs Goku Black and Future Zamasu
Episode 64: Son Goku and Vegeta vs Goku Black
Episode 65: Son Goku and Vegeta vs Merged Zamasu - Vegeta and Future Trunks vs Merged Zamasu
Episode 66: Son Goku vs Merged Zamasu - Vegetto vs Merged Zamasu - Future Trunks vs Merged Zamasu
Episode 67: Son Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks vs Zamasu

That's a hell lot of action, and some episodes didn't even need some cuts. (Episode 51 / 52 / 55 / 60)

[Ajay]

There was action in almost every single episodes of Future Trunks arc.

While true, very few of those episodes contain continuous action - the type of thing a tournament necessitates. That's what people are rightly worried about.

To address what's being discussed here: many of the episodes in this filler arc have been supported heavily by third-party studios. I assume that's a conscious effort.

Lastly, a little bit of self-promotion - I spoke a little bit about the preview here. Just a few guesses and some deeper breakdowns of who I think is who.

[iAnimationLover_]

Episode 51: Future Trunks vs Goku Black
Episode 52: Vegeta's training
Episode 55: Babari vs Zamasu
Episode 59: Son Goku vs Zamasu - Future Trunks vs Trunks
Episode 60: Goku Black vs Vegeta

I Think we're talking about full-on action episodes. not just 20 seconds or a few minutes

[Alee9977]

There was action in almost every single episodes of Future Trunks arc.

Episode 47: Bulma / Future Trunks / Mai vs Goku Black
Episode 48: Goku Black vs Future Trunks
Episode 49: Future Trunks vs Son Goku
Episode 50: Goku Black vs Son Goku
Episode 51: Future Trunks vs Goku Black
Episode 52: Vegeta's training
Episode 53: Son Goku vs Zamasu
Episode 54: Future Trunks vs Vegeta
Episode 55: Babari vs Zamasu
Episode 56: Goku Black vs Son Goku - Goku Black vs Vegeta
Episode 57: Goku Black and Future Zamasu vs Son Goku and Future Trunks
Episode 58: /
Episode 59: Son Goku vs Zamasu - Future Trunks vs Trunks
Episode 60: Goku Black vs Vegeta
Episode 61: Goku Black and Future Zamasu vs Son Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks
Episode 62: Future Trunks vs Goku Black and Future Zamasu
Episode 63: Future Trunks vs Goku Black and Future Zamasu - Son Goku and Vegeta vs Goku Black and Future Zamasu
Episode 64: Son Goku and Vegeta vs Goku Black
Episode 65: Son Goku and Vegeta vs Merged Zamasu - Vegeta and Future Trunks vs Merged Zamasu
Episode 66: Son Goku vs Merged Zamasu - Vegetto vs Merged Zamasu - Future Trunks vs Merged Zamasu
Episode 67: Son Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks vs Zamasu

That's a hell lot of action, and some episodes didn't even need some cuts. (Episode 51 / 52 / 55 / 60)

It's true but they don't have action from start to finish, something a tournament needs completely. At least half of an episode needs to have action in a tournament and really, we are barely going to see episodes like 57 or 66 in this arc.
My theory is that there are going to be lots of stills and repeated frames in a lot of episodes so we can have really good shots in a few episodes, but if from the beginning we got really good scenes continually, we may have episodes like 67, 5, 24, 33 or 72 after that...

[ArchedThunder]

To address what's being discussed here: many of the episodes in this filler arc have been supported heavily by third-party studios. I assume that's a conscious effort.

Then there is how conservative most of the episodes have been and the light touch many staff have had on episodes they've worked on, with the biggest being Karasawa almost not even touching episode 72.

if from the beginning we got really good scenes continually, we may have episodes like 67, 5, 24, 33 or 72 after that...

If we get lots of good stuff right away it will probably be because of the improved production and staff being more easily obtainable because of it, and if that's the case we probably won't see episodes like those you listed often at all. I do think the fights will have plenty of repeated frames and cut aways to pad them out though, and that's smart.

[emperior]

I really hope this new arc will have a very slow start. If the tournament itself starts after 5-6 episodes or more, the schedule would improve more.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but just because filler episodes were conservative with 10 weeks in between doesn't mean the production will improve. The matter of fact is that Super still has next to zero pre-production value which still hurts the series' potential. Maybe the next arc will have high quality episodes in consecutive due to how conservative the filler episodes were, but the bad schedule will eventually catch up to them. You still need at least 5-6 months of pre-production to normalize the schedule. It's best to keep your expectation low.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but just because filler episodes were conservative with 10 weeks in between doesn't mean the production will improve. The matter of fact is that Super still has next to zero pre-production value which still hurts the series' potential. Maybe the next arc will have high quality episodes in consecutive due to how conservative the filler episodes were, but the bad schedule will eventually catch up to them. It's best to keep your expectation low.

I think that most of us are well-aware that the series isn't going to suddenly develop into a visual masterpiece, but these conservative episodes are bound to further stabilize production.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but just because filler episodes were conservative with 10 weeks in between doesn't mean the production will improve. The matter of fact is that Super still has next to zero pre-production value which still hurts the series' potential. Maybe the next arc will have high quality episodes in consecutive due to how conservative the filler episodes were, but the bad schedule will eventually catch up to them. You still need at least 5-6 months of pre-production to normalize the schedule. It's best to keep your expectation low.

You could at least read what's actually being said.
Dragon Ball Super episodes are currently made in 5-10 weeks, upping that to at least 8-12 weeks would at least make the production average and would make it much easier to grab staff. There is more than one piece of evidence pointing towards the 10 weeks between arcs existing to improve the production, here is something I posted a few days ago before episode 75.

First off we have have the fact that we have 10 weeks between arcs, double that of the previous largest amount of time between arcs.

68- Hatano Kohei joins Hatano Morio as series director and storyboards the episode. Episode is pretty much entirely outsourced, including for the first time ever having some animation done by the studio Union Cho.

69- Hatano Kohei storyboards again, the episode's animation is very conservative despite there being 7 animators, some of which are very talented. Manabe's touch is very light and he provides no animation, though this could be because he did some animation for 66. This episode sees the return of the studio Buyu for second key animation after having been gone since episode 33.

71- The episode sees 3 storyboarders. Despite having a large staff the animation is yet again pretty conservative and even reuses animation from an older episode. Ishikawa and Shimanuki provide very little animation and Shimanuki's touch is very light. This episode sees the studio Actas do second key animation for the first time on the series.

72- This is the one episode where they tried to do more with the animation, but despite there there are still interesting things going on here. For the first time Karasawa doesn't provide any animation for one of his episodes (and it's even action heavy, his specialty) and his correction work is incredibly light, Tsuji practically fills his role and even provides some animation. Second Key animation is done by a group of Koreans who have never worked on the show before.

73- Only 4 animators and the animation is yet again very conservative. Second key animation is yet again done by Koreans.

74- Is a Wanpack episode and yet the staff size is rather small for one and Kinoshita Yui is nowhere to be seen. Animation is yet again very conservative outside of one rotation shot. Kitano does very little on the episode despite having 8 weeks since the last episode he supervised and animated on and 5 weeks since he did a few corrections on 69. The studio Union Cho returns to do second key animation.

Then we have Tomioka returning to write the final two filler episodes after being gone since 67 and he is also writing the first episode of the next arc (and possibly the next couple episodes after that) and Hatano Kohei is storyboarding the final filler episode, potentially marking the end of a temporary run as a series director.
We also saw the return of Noel Ano-nuevo and Lee Joo-hyun, though that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I'll just add that episode 75 is the first episode in a long time that felt "normal", I look at the staff listing and size and I look at how the episode turned out and I think "Yes, this is a normal weekly anime episode", there's not a whole lot to add, but I will note that it is interesting that yet again Manabe provides no key animation.

As you see it's not just a matter of them having done a lot of conservative episodes, it's many things in tandem that come together to make it seem as though they are working to improve the production for the next arc. I've said it a million times before, but I'm not suggesting that we're going to see Dragon Ball suddenly transform into a sakuga filled show like Pokemon, but just that we'll see animation and art quality stabilize. I think the biggest take away is honestly Tomioka being absent from episodes 68-74, a full 8 weeks and he only had one episode of another anime he wrote come out in that time and it was undoubtedly written a while ago anyways. I also legitimately think Karasawa's near absence on episode 72 was because he was simultaneously working on the first episode of the tournament, he's pretty much become the preferred important action episode supervisor by those in charge, so it'd make sense to have him open the tournament.

[SaiyanGod117]

Of course Super won't look like it would have, if it had some preproduction time, but it's definitely going to look better then the previous arc. Just like every arc before has, barring RoF, you also can't deny these 11 weeks of conservative filler will a least aid with consistency. TBH saying it won't improve the schedule is just outright false, what do you think this break was for?